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El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:21:00 -
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I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...
Pros: - Can get the new sisters ships cheaper
Cons: - Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy) - Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)
Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea? path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2280
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:26:00 -
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Greater risk = greater reward. |
Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
343
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:29:00 -
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1. The Sanctuary guys made the ships, thus they sell them cheaper. 2. Yes, people doing missions with them can get the ships cheaper, but they have to mission in null sec, and there are not many agents around, and they have to somehow ship the ships to Empire to make profits, which is reasonably risky, and makes for interesting gameplay. 3. Cost is 33% less in null, which is not too unfair, as profits margins are such that it still makes sense to use Sister's LP.
It would be interesting to see some figures showing how many of the ships actually get bought in null. Any colour you like. |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:30:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Greater risk = greater reward.
This is sarcasm right? path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Inquisitor Ageri
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:32:00 -
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Because Illuminati & Goons. That's all we can tell you atm, but We The People are furiously blogging about it in every effort to make this universe a free Democracy once more. Don't trust The Banks. |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
175
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:32:00 -
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Samroski wrote:1. The Sanctuary guys made the ships, thus they sell them cheaper. 2. Yes, people doing missions with them can get the ships cheaper, but they have to mission in null sec, and there are not many agents around, and they have to somehow ship the ships to Empire to make profits, which is reasonably risky, and makes for interesting gameplay. 3. Cost is 33% less in null, which is not too unfair, as profits margins are such that it still makes sense to use Sister's LP.
It would be interesting to see some figures showing how many of the ships actually get bought in null.
Not many? There's 1 station with sanctuary agents, thats 1 station in the entire eve galaxy, don't you think thats open exploitation? path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8719
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:34:00 -
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El Geo wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Greater risk = greater reward. This is sarcasm right?
Nope.
Come get your cheap ships. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
32
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:35:00 -
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Since the SOE ships are the only pirate faction (as bad as that title is for SOE) ships available from LP stores in highsec, CCP could always just follow the normal process and remove their availability.
Would that solve the problem for you?
In other words, you are getting access to the SOE ships in highsec outside normal arrangements for these types of factional ships, so stop complaining that they cost more. That's still better than the alternative. |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
266
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:El Geo wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Greater risk = greater reward. This is sarcasm right? Nope. Come get your cheap ships. You just need to push out the CFC. I know what you are thinking, it might be a little difficult, but think about all that LP! |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:52:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Since the SOE ships are the only pirate faction (as bad as that title is for SOE) ships available from LP stores in highsec, CCP could always just follow the normal process and remove their availability.
Would that solve the problem for you?
In other words, you are getting access to the SOE ships in highsec outside normal arrangements for these types of factional ships, so stop complaining that they cost more. That's still better than the alternative.
SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true.
Serptimis wrote:baltec1 wrote:El Geo wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Greater risk = greater reward. This is sarcasm right? Nope. Come get your cheap ships. You just need to push out the CFC. I know what you are thinking, it might be a little difficult, but think about all that LP!
I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?
path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8722
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Posted - 2013.11.24 10:58:00 -
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El Geo wrote:
I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?
They only did that to take the stress off the one node.
They have also given a very important reason for people to hold onto that one system. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
175
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:El Geo wrote:
I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?
They only did that to take the stress off the one node. They have also given a very important reason for people to hold onto that one system.
Which is? (I've asked a bunch of folks who have no idea and i've tried to look through the forums/devblogs before starting this thread so a bit of help and guidance would be helpful :) ) path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings Setting The Universe on Fire
175
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:02:00 -
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33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8722
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:04:00 -
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El Geo wrote:baltec1 wrote:El Geo wrote:
I'm not known for my mission grinding or for that matter my mass of PvE activity, I've lived & roamed out of X-70 before and can do very easily as I please. My question is, considering that CCP upped 2 other SOE agents to level 4, why on earth would they then make it possible for only one station in the entirety of Eve to provide cheaper ships?
They only did that to take the stress off the one node. They have also given a very important reason for people to hold onto that one system. Which is? (I've asked a bunch of folks who have no idea and i've tried to look through the forums/devblogs before starting this thread so a bit of help and guidance would be helpful :) )
Access to the cheap SOE ships. They can dictate who can and cant have access. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1163
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:El Geo wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Greater risk = greater reward. This is sarcasm right? Nope. Come get your cheap ships.
posting in stealth recruitment thread ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:09:00 -
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El Geo wrote:SOE ships are FACTION ships, SOE aren't a pirate organization so you can rub sh*t in your eyes and dress them up as pirate ships all you want, that doesnt make it true, and there are plenty of ways to get faction ships in highsec, although this has absolutly nothing to do with the question at hand.
As lovely as your carebear tears are, here's some reading for you:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/sisters-of-eve-faction-ships/
Second last paragraph might help.
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El Geo
Pathfinders.
175
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:10:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit.
At current ship prices that 33% is a saving of around 130m? Now personally I expect prices to drop to below 300m in the next week or two but this still doesnt answer my question.
Lets take this away from a linear concept a minute and understand that the likely hood of me ever grinding missions for SOE ships is so slim its unreal, I trade for my isk so if I want a ship I tend to buy a few cheap and sell the excess giving myself that ship for very little effort.
Now, are you (Baltec) saying that its a possible way to make that system strategic in some way?
I'm going to ignore anyone who calls me a carebear as they clearly have about as much brains as a wooden goldfish and even less wit. path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8724
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:16:00 -
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El Geo wrote:
Now, are you (Baltec) saying that its a possible way to make that system strategic in some way?
Hold the system and deny access to everyone else and you hold an advantage over everyone else. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Hold the system and deny access to everyone else and you hold an advantage over everyone else.
You don't think there is any other reasoning other than that? path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8724
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:32:00 -
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El Geo wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Hold the system and deny access to everyone else and you hold an advantage over everyone else.
You don't think there is any other reasoning other than that?
We have been fighting wars for this very reason for the last 6 thousand years. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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El Geo
Pathfinders.
175
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:44:00 -
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You make an interesting and obvious point Baltec, one that I have to agree with. Thanks for your help path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Diamond Zerg
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:54:00 -
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Lol, you n00bs, in many cases taking more risk does grant greater rewards.
There are actually many level 4 pirate missions in nullsec that have excellent payouts. |
beancounter Jaynara
Unlimicorp
73
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:11:00 -
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Let me tell you guys all a dirty secret...
CFC space is full of beacons. These beacons identify where you can jump to and carry out trade on neutral alts without getting blown up. There's a reason why they have Jita-like prices in a number of systems in their space. It's because in those systems, they welcome traders with open arms. Hell, I never even scout my jump freighters there anymore. I've never had any problems. Goons love getting their markets seeded. Corp Recruitment Specialist- now for hire! For a small fee, I will grow your corp, using all the secrets I have learned in powerful nullsec alliances that they don't want you to know about! -áBeware jelly haters who will contact you with vicious lies! -áThey just want to keep these secrets to themselves! |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
175
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:14:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:Lol, you n00bs, in many cases taking more risk does grant greater rewards.
There are actually many level 4 pirate missions in nullsec that have excellent payouts.
No sh*t Sherlock. Yes, I'm fully aware of this fact as are most people that play Eve, although greater rewards come in the form of higher payouts not cheaper ships and pirate factions also have arcs that start in lowsec iirc, as well as many more than one station.
On a side note, Why aren't the Gnosis and other SOCT ships available for LP in SOCT LP stores? or ORE ships in ORE space? path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
175
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Posted - 2013.11.24 12:17:00 -
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beancounter Jaynara wrote:Let me tell you guys all a dirty secret... CFC space is full of beacons. These beacons identify where you can jump to and carry out trade on neutral alts without getting blown up. There's a reason why they have Jita-like prices in a number of systems in their space. It's because in those systems, they welcome traders with open arms. Hell, I never even scout my jump freighters there anymore. I've never had any problems. Goons love getting their markets seeded.
Pretty sure thats not the case lol Goons are pretty cool guys to be fair (read as GSF, the CFC is full of rude arrogant dullbears), I've roamed Goon space and met more than a few friendly people, even if they are trying to blow me up. The same I can not say about a lot of other alliances that launch a tirade of abuse in local while sitting in their station docked. path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
602
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Posted - 2013.11.24 13:18:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:33% isnt a huge difference when you consider the risk of running in null and the cost of shipping them down to HS. BUt yeh maybe 1 more station would help the situation a bit.
The cost of shipping to high sec is all of 15 minutes in a bomber, less in a ceptor.....maybe 25 if you are really paranoid and use a nullified T3.
...and eitherway if they made another Sanctuary station, it would still be in an NPC null pocket somehere, and they are all pretty well populated. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
998
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:48:00 -
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Someone explain to me why pirate faction ships are available in highsec in the first place.
The explanation may not include the words "because CCP was appealing to highsec mission runners," because that part is already obvious. |
Trillian Stargazer
Origin. Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:05:00 -
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El Geo wrote: No sh*t Sherlock. Yes, I'm fully aware of this fact as are most people that play Eve, although greater rewards come in the form of higher payouts not cheaper ships
Do you realize that to get these ships from the station requires LP. To get LP you have to grind missions. Then you swap that LP for BPCs or the ship itself. That means the person that is grinding the missions in Nullsec is taking a big risk and is receiving a higher payout on his/her LP.
Now that person that was taking all the risk gets a higher reward when he/she ships bpcs or ships to Jita. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
363
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:10:00 -
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El Geo wrote: - Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)
Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?
If only there were some way of taking over space controlled by other players. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3459
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:18:00 -
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El Geo wrote:I havent seen a thread on this yet but its something thats been annoying me, I have tried but just can't see the reasoning behind this decision, I mean...
Pros: - Can get the new sisters ships cheaper
Cons: - Only one system in Eve has Sanctuary agents (Literally 1 station in the whole galaxy) - Easily cordoned off and controlled by powerbloc (this case the closest locally just so happen to be the CFC)
Maybe someone could shed some light on to why this is a good idea?
So it's not enough that for the 1st time CCP allows people in high sec to directly get a pirate faction ship from an LP store (and it is a pirate faction ship, bonuses come from 2 factions instead of one like the navy Faction ships)?
Just goes to show, whatever CCP gives players, those players will always want more. |
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