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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:27:00 -
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Out of curiosity I'm interested on how many BS you would needed to destroy a dreadnaught? Assuming a lone dreadnaught with no support ships. give an average load out for each. Also how much time would be needed?
And no I'm not trying to put together a force to gank the Veldnaught |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
135
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:34:00 -
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2 mil hp is not an unreasonable expectation. considering the age of the veldnaught assume it is completely faction/deadspace fit to the maximum degree possible and plan accordingly.
At 4 mil ehp or so you'll need well over 300 tornadoes to gank his dread in amarr which iirc is a 1.0 sec system ie instant concord response. Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
74
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:38:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:2 mil hp is not an unreasonable expectation. considering the age of the veldnaught assume it is completely faction/deadspace fit to the maximum degree possible and plan accordingly.
At 4 mil ehp or so you'll need well over 300 tornadoes to gank his dread in amarr which iirc is a 1.0 sec system ie instant concord response.
I'm more looking for a fleet battle situation. But if we assume the tornadoes are allowed to fire multiple volley's lets say 150 to kill a dreadnaught. Against a dreadnaught fleet of say 20 we'll need about 3000 pilots to kill them, and that's even before the enemy bring in support carriers and our own loses.
How many for a titan? |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
450
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:45:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:2 mil hp is not an unreasonable expectation. considering the age of the veldnaught assume it is completely faction/deadspace fit to the maximum degree possible and plan accordingly.
At 4 mil ehp or so you'll need well over 300 tornadoes to gank his dread in amarr which iirc is a 1.0 sec system ie instant concord response. I'm more looking for a fleet battle situation. But if we assume the tornadoes are allowed to fire multiple volley's lets say 150 to kill a dreadnaught. Against a dreadnaught fleet of say 20 we'll need about 3000 pilots to kill them, and that's even before the enemy bring in support carriers and our own loses. How many for a titan?
A few. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:01:00 -
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years ago i was part of an northern Coalition fleet (not NC. [dot] ) . we had about 220 Maelstroms alpha a carrier. I assume a dread would be the same, maybe 2 volleys. Don't forget they cannot be remote repaired while in deployed mode. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:14:00 -
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not that many if you have time to kill. A few neuting ships, a few close range DPS battlehips, a HIC ... it'll die. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Fatal Ascension
41
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:20:00 -
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Batelle wrote:not that many if you have time to kill. A few neuting ships, a few close range DPS battlehips, a HIC ... it'll die.
yeah if you mean without alpha-ing the ships, probably only 6 would be needed to kill it. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2982
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:28:00 -
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A dread without support simply takes time to kill... It has great damage application against stationary targets, but even a non-prop mod BS can outrace it's turret tracking. While in siege, it reps pretty well (5-10k ehp depending on fit), but he'll run out of stront (for sieging) eventually. Alternatively, you can put enormous cap pressure on him with 2-4x neut BS's, at which point he wont be able to rep anymore. Then its only time to grind through his 3m EHP. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
74
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:33:00 -
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Ok what I'm really trying to workout is the number of BSs we'll need to hold off a null sec capital assault force when CCP finally jumps off the slippery slope and lets the null sec alliances take sovereignty over empire space, just after CFC has finished off the Northern faction and is null sec.
Since it takes 12 days to built a dreadnaught from a basic blueprint high sec is going to have to fight with sub-capital ships as CFC marches into Jita and Amarr to take over the EVE economy. At least in Amarr they might be able to use the Veldnaught in the defence of the system, in Jita we'll be stuck with conventional ships and throwing the chat scammers at them. Either way its going to result in attritional warfare |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
211
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:48:00 -
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Wow, that was a lot of buildup to a rumor-mongering post. |
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:53:00 -
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Buy capitals and store them in Carrou or Ignoitton. Not today spaghetti. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:01:00 -
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Posting in stealth nerf CFC thread
also...ibtl Oderint Dum Metuant |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
136
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:05:00 -
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it's much cheaper to fly a 300 mil gank hyp with 1100 dps than get dreads around. If you're clever and apply yourself it doesn't take much to go a long way Click here for LP store weapon cost rebalancing |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
497
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:17:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Ok what I'm really trying to workout is the number of BSs we'll need to hold off a null sec capital assault force when CCP finally jumps off the slippery slope and lets the null sec alliances take sovereignty over empire space, just after CFC has finished off the Northern faction and is null sec.
Since it takes 12 days to built a dreadnaught from a basic blueprint high sec is going to have to fight with sub-capital ships as CFC marches into Jita and Amarr to take over the EVE economy. At least in Amarr they might be able to use the Veldnaught in the defence of the system, in Jita we'll be stuck with conventional ships and throwing the chat scammers at them. Either way its going to result in attritional warfare
wow.
lol. Your entire post seemed to imply fighting a single dreadnought. Now you're just being delusional. First, the idea that hisec is going away is completely delusional. Second, the idea that hisec would form some of united defense force to resist the invaders is also patently ludicrous.
Also, people in empire have always been able to build dreads. You can start building them solo RIGHT NOW if that's what you're worried about. Maybe you meant to post about super-caps? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1699
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:36:00 -
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3.1 BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
499
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:24:00 -
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When you are done lining your basement with tinfoil please biomass your character. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
74
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:27:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:When you are done lining your basement with tinfoil please biomass your character.
don't be silly, I tried that and got mould on the walls. I'm now using cling film |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
499
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:51:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Donbe Scurred wrote:When you are done lining your basement with tinfoil please biomass your character. don't be silly, I tried that and got mould on the walls. I'm now using cling film
Now you're being silly, cling film won't reflect the lazors and various radio waves. |
Jefferson Dubois
Exotic Matter Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:54:00 -
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Something something blue donut
42 -áBack off, man. I'm a scientist |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:27:00 -
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This thread delivers. |
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Garak n00biachi
Capital Destruction AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:02:00 -
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He trapped a few of you there, gotta give him credit for that so.....1/10 for the effort ; what a ******. |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
75
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:02:00 -
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1 Bhaalgorn or Armageddon fit to kill a dead can do it slowly. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
388
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Posted - 2013.11.26 09:00:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Ok what I'm really trying to workout is the number of BSs we'll need to hold off a null sec capital assault force when CCP finally jumps off the slippery slope and lets the null sec alliances take sovereignty over empire space, just after CFC has finished off the Northern faction and is null sec.
Since it takes 12 days to built a dreadnaught from a basic blueprint high sec is going to have to fight with sub-capital ships as CFC marches into Jita and Amarr to take over the EVE economy. At least in Amarr they might be able to use the Veldnaught in the defence of the system, in Jita we'll be stuck with conventional ships and throwing the chat scammers at them. Either way its going to result in attritional warfare
They are going to round up all the highseccers into Sansha camps. You better be prepared, I don't need to. I am safe in Low-Sec, no CFC here! |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
847
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Posted - 2013.11.26 09:28:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Ok what I'm really trying to workout is the number of BSs we'll need to hold off a null sec capital assault force when CCP finally jumps off the slippery slope and lets the null sec alliances take sovereignty over empire space, just after CFC has finished off the Northern faction and is null sec.
Since it takes 12 days to built a dreadnaught from a basic blueprint high sec is going to have to fight with sub-capital ships as CFC marches into Jita and Amarr to take over the EVE economy. At least in Amarr they might be able to use the Veldnaught in the defence of the system, in Jita we'll be stuck with conventional ships and throwing the chat scammers at them. Either way its going to result in attritional warfare
Never ever post again... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2013.11.26 09:35:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Ok what I'm really trying to workout is the number of BSs we'll need to hold off a null sec capital assault force when CCP finally jumps off the slippery slope and lets the null sec alliances take sovereignty over empire space, just after CFC has finished off the Northern faction and is null sec.
Since it takes 12 days to built a dreadnaught from a basic blueprint high sec is going to have to fight with sub-capital ships as CFC marches into Jita and Amarr to take over the EVE economy. At least in Amarr they might be able to use the Veldnaught in the defence of the system, in Jita we'll be stuck with conventional ships and throwing the chat scammers at them. Either way its going to result in attritional warfare
Such a good derail wasted outside of general discussion :(
Answer to OP is 1 battleship in 1vs1 if fitted to kill a dread with no interference. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
116
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:18:00 -
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Also don't forget that CFC has been using stealth bomber siege fleets. No need for dreds in the (snort) unlikely event that you get your wish. Besides CFC is strictly acting as a chummy third party in the current festivities, no need to worry over so grinds in high sec.
Furthermore I would be much more worried about a RvB or Uni take over of high sec. They have been organizing and recruiting for years getting materials and assets in place. Clearly something sinister is going on there with such organized operations. :tinfoil: |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
38
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:57:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:. Besides CFC is strictly acting as a chummy third party in the current festivities, no need to worry over so grinds in high sec. :tinfoil:
Nah BL and the RUSRUS are the honerable 3rd party in this war
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