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Spetznak Sokarad
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:17:00 -
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ive been making a living exploring in npc nullsec. up until i get a cloaky nullified t3, the biggest challenge for me is to move my loot to the highsec market. i can either use black frog, or move it myself and risk getting ganked in a warp bubble.
this is where a wormhole to highsec or lowsec would be very handy. does these wormholes exist (from null to low/high)?
if they do, are they really rare and hard to find? ...i spent the better part of the this morning looking for one, probabaly scanned down about 15 wormholes...and not a single one led to low or high sec. just bad luck?
just looking for some insight on this.....
thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:46:00 -
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Well, they exist - but they reset and move randomly every 24 hours. So you're not going to find some sort of reliable - always there - route.
However, if you don't mind the randomness of it, I personally think that wormholes can be a much safer method for getting back to empire space from deep null sec or low sec.
Cons of Wormholes as a transport route:
1. They collapse every 24 hours and reappear somewhere else in the universe - maybe on the other side of the galaxy. So you'll always have to scan down a new one.
2. The wormhole that does appear in your null sec system may not lead out immediately into high sec or anywhere near it. You may wind up having to scan down another wormhole exit to yet another wormhole system, go in there and see if THAT system has a high sec exit or something. You may even find yourself traveling as much as five systems - all in wormhole space - before you find a good exit to K-space you want to use.
3. Wormhole residents are unpredictable and sometimes highly violent. A lot of them sit cloaked up on all their exits waiting for someone to enter the system, then once you arrive, they bubble the exits and marshal a gank fleet quietly. It's not risk free by any stretch.
4. If you forget to bookmark the entrances and exits, or a determined group of wormhole hunters collapses the hole behind you (by repeatedly flying ships with high mass back and forth through it), and you have no probe scanner - you're screwed. This bad scenario can be avoided by either flying probe launchers on ALL your ships involved in moving, or by bringing in a scanning alt. You use the scanning alt to scan out the system, then log him off in the wormhole system and move your hauler through.
Pros of wormholes:
1. Because they're random, if you wait long enough and are persistent, you'll almost always find a route to where you want to go - and you can jump all the way across the galaxy past all the popular gate camps and bubble traps, and pirate intel chains.
2. However long the wormhole chain may be, if you're good at scanning, it will often be a lot quicker than traveling through K space safely.
3. Even if wormhole residents can be hostile, they're much more unpredictable and sporadic than pirate gangs in K space. There are places in null sec and low sec where you are almost guaranteed to find a gatecamp. Especially if the pirate gang's scouts have been watching you a while and have warned their buddies of your approach. By contrast, some wormholes are completely unoccupied, or all their residents are in the Australian time zone and asleep when you fly through, or they're a corp of wormhole carebears (happens a lot in C4s) and don't bother you. As long as you're ready for the possibility of losing stuff to wormhole gangs, I think on the balance the threat they pose is far less than their counterparts in null and low sec.
4. Good scanning skills can really make you quite at home in a wormhole chain - just so long as you've gotten used to the randomness of it. Never know what you're going to get, or where you'll end up.
Honestly, since exploration loot takes up so little cargo space, and since you presumably already know you're way around a scanning probe, this is the ideal way for you to get your loot to market. Just dump it all in a cov-ops frigate, a T1 scanning ship, or a cloaky hauler and give all the null sec intel chains and low sec gatecampers the slip. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:51:00 -
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Oh, and you might want to watch all the videos in this series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miRA8vCLmE
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Spetznak Sokarad
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:11:00 -
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Riel Saigo, thank you very much for the info and tips:
The one question i do have, is should i be looking for a wormhole in my region that goes directly too high sec in one jump?
Or do i need to just scan one down, enter it... and then once in that system, scan another one down, and enter it... and then just keep repeating this until i find my way to high sec?
btw, i have seen a guide/database that tells what type each is by the name of it...
all i keep getting are k162 and x702... |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:00:00 -
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Spetznak Sokarad wrote:Or do i need to just scan one down, enter it... and then once in that system, scan another one down, and enter it... and then just keep repeating this until i find my way to high sec? Yes.
Generally you want to move up classes to reach hisec, as the higher the class, the more likely it has a hisec static.
You can find random (non-static) wormholes from anywhere to anywhere else. Example: D792 from C5 to hisec, but they are fairly rare, as are M555 hisec to C5.
Example: look-up M555 and D792 on the following page (FInd = CTRL F) https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Project_Atlas
Beware that every K162 you find is an incoming wormhole, and that means somebody else opened it from the other side. |
Storm Thara
End-of-Line
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:24:00 -
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Actually you want to move down in wh classes. C1-c3 are the only classes with possible static exits to k-space. C4 class whs will never have a k-space connection. C5 and c6 whs mostly have null sec connections but do very rarely have a high and none of them are static.
A static wh is a wh which leads to a certain class of wh and when it dies respawns in that same system with a connection to another random system of that type. So if you have a c3 wh with a high sec static to amarr when that wh dies another wh to a different high sec sysytem will respawn in that c3.
Wormhol.es is a great intel tool that will tell you what class you are in, wh the statics are, and who lives there and when they are active. |
Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:27:00 -
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Storm Thara wrote:Actually you want to move down in wh classes. C1-c3 are the only classes with possible static exits to k-space. C4 class whs will never have a k-space connection. C5 and c6 whs mostly have null sec connections but do very rarely have a high and none of them are static. Up / down is a matter of perspective.
To me C1 was up from C2, etc. Up = to lower class, down = to higher class |
Storm Thara
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:36:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Storm Thara wrote:Actually you want to move down in wh classes. C1-c3 are the only classes with possible static exits to k-space. C4 class whs will never have a k-space connection. C5 and c6 whs mostly have null sec connections but do very rarely have a high and none of them are static. Up / down is a matter of perspective. To me C1 was up from C2, etc. Up = to lower class, down = to higher class
Your right it is semantics. For my post c1 is the lowest class and c6 is the highest. Typically as you move from c1 towards c6 whs the more danger you are in if they are occupied especially once you get into c5 and c6 space which become occupied by large alliances or in my corps case a single corp with total timezone coverage all of which are out for blood. |
Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:39:00 -
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Storm Thara wrote:Your right it is semantics. For my post c1 is the lowest class and c6 is the highest. Typically as you move from c1 towards c6 whs the more danger you are in if they are occupied especially once you get into c5 and c6 space which become occupied by large alliances or in my corps case a single corp with total timezone coverage all of which are out for blood. Well if you think of system security level, moving up or higher is safer.
I lived in a two different C2 (one had static to C3, the other static to C4) before settling in a C5 (static to C5). |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.11.27 08:03:00 -
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My memory could be bad on this, but I recall C4s I've encountered opening up into "K space." Specifically, low sec.
"K space" is just shorthand for "known space" - which includes high, low and null sec. |
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