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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Spartan III on 27/02/2006 15:23:02 Can someone please tell me what the best solo piracy AF is? Please do no mention amarr AFs as they both suck for solo pirating(one has low damage, other has no scrambler slot).
Or would intys be better for this role? I am going after primarily combat ships(especially other AFs), not barges, haulers, ect...
[Edit] And please post a good setup with the AF. ******************** Wolven Elite Guard is recruiting
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:21:00 -
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Enyo
nuff said
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Skyblue
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Skyblue on 27/02/2006 15:32:10 Wolf
4x 150mm ac II 1x small nos 1x mwd 1x 7,5km 1x small rep 1x 400mm plate 1x micro aux 1x gyro II
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:22:00 -
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please post setups ******************** Wolven Elite Guard is recruiting
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III please post setups
Dont be lazy, half the fun of Eve is to make setups for your ships...
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
Originally by: Spartan III please post setups
Dont be lazy, half the fun of Eve is to make setups for your ships...
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I currently don't fly any AFs except Amarr so I am not sure how they are supposed to be setup. The purpose of this thread was to decide which AF to train for next. ******************** Wolven Elite Guard is recruiting
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III
Originally by: Recluse XXX
Originally by: Spartan III please post setups
Dont be lazy, half the fun of Eve is to make setups for your ships...
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I currently don't fly any AFs except Amarr so I am not sure how they are supposed to be setup. The purpose of this thread was to decide which AF to train for next.
do a quick search or look in one of the stickys on the forums then, or try to figgure it out yourself using common sense
there are allready tons of threads about this, read them!
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:33:00 -
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Ok then, once yall tell me which is the best solo piracy AF(or inty if its better) i will go look for a setup for it.
So far I am looking at these as being at the top.
Enyo, Ishkur, Wolf, Jaguar, and harpy. ******************** Wolven Elite Guard is recruiting
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:36:00 -
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af are **** for piracy. who ever told u to sue them is a tard.
what can they kill? another AF. erm its near enough pure skill point based so say 50% chance.
a crusier will pawn you
a BS will pawn you
a BC will pawn you.
you will pawn t1 frigs, cepters will mwd away. so if u intend to ransom and pirate nubs in t1 frigs then the af is ur man. if not use a proper ship
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:37:00 -
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hope this helps a little bit.
Ishkur This little bugger got 3 med-slots to fit webber/scrambler/ab. high -> 3 or 2 nos and gun¦s. lows -> energized-reactive-membrane II, CPR, t2-repper .....and of course a full rack of t2-drones. Strikes fast, strikes hard and is the nightmare of all inty¦s/frigs/cruisers/af¦s. It eats cruisers alive.
Enyo is more gang-support, becouse of it¦s alphastrike.
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Gist Amarredon
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:39:00 -
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Intys do work wonders as scramblers, but if you want an AF, take the Ishkur. It has pretty awesome dmg output with a mix of t2 light and med drones. 2x 75mm t2/prototype 2x small dim nos 1x 1mn ab t2 1x X5/Fleeting web 1x Scram 1x SAR t2 1x active expl hardener 1x energized nano t2
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto hope this helps a little bit.
Ishkur This little bugger got 3 med-slots to fit webber/scrambler/ab. high -> 3 or 2 nos and gun¦s. lows -> energized-reactive-membrane II, CPR, t2-repper .....and of course a full rack of t2-drones. Strikes fast, strikes hard and is the nightmare of all inty¦s/frigs/cruisers/af¦s. It eats cruisers alive.
Enyo is more gang-support, becouse of it¦s alphastrike.
ffs u make ur allaince mates cringe at that post. wanna prove to me that a AF can beat a crusier let alone "It eats cruisers alive." btw if u accept you be like the 9th person to loose a AF to my crusier cos on forums they though af ftw
stop giving bad info out to the noobs, crusiers *****ANY AF
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: ChalSto on 27/02/2006 15:48:30
Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: ChalSto hope this helps a little bit.
Ishkur This little bugger got 3 med-slots to fit webber/scrambler/ab. high -> 3 or 2 nos and gun¦s. lows -> energized-reactive-membrane II, CPR, t2-repper .....and of course a full rack of t2-drones. Strikes fast, strikes hard and is the nightmare of all inty¦s/frigs/cruisers/af¦s. It eats cruisers alive.
Enyo is more gang-support, becouse of it¦s alphastrike.
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ffs u make ur allaince mates cringe at that post. wanna prove to me that a AF can beat a crusier let alone "It eats cruisers alive." btw if u accept you be like the 9th person to loose a AF to my crusier cos on forums they though af ftw
stop giving bad info out to the noobs, crusiers *****ANY AF
nice to fly around in a cruiser ,special fitted for anti-frig/ceptor/af.......... .....i hope you¦ll run into many hostile cruisers......
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zevex
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Posted - 2006.02.27 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: zevex on 27/02/2006 15:59:47 The only way that an AF can take down a cruiser is if the cruiser is set up for sniping, and the AF lands on top of him. That being said, a budding pirate in an AF can take down many n00b cruiser pilots who try to snipe NPC's in low sec. But if a cruiser is set up for close range engagements...bye bye AF.
AF's are good fun for running missions and complexes. For PvP, they leave a little to be desired. I would recomend you stick to interceptors and cruisers for this task.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:05:00 -
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A Blaster Enyo is the only AF i've seen that could beat a Cruiser (Killed Blasterax with it :p) wouldn't actually recommend attempting it though, was scary.
The Nos Ishkur is the be all and end all of solo pirating AF's, but i still don't like it's chances against a cruiser that can actually shoot back, unlike 90% of people you catch who seem to run away from their computer and curl up in a ball in the corner of their rooms the moment you show up in their belt -----
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Ginaz
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ginaz on 27/02/2006 16:14:43 I've been pirating from Heydeles till PF-346 now, using all kind of ships. Ishkur, Malediction, T1 cruisers (duramaller and thorax), sniperthron, sentry-tank-vampdomi, gankageddon and smartyapoc.
Sadly i have to tell you that AFs aren't a good choice for effective pirating. But they make alot fun if you are looking for pvp duels. You have to pick your fights but it's fun. ...a vigilant recently wtfbbqed my ishkur...
Use a Heavy Ion blaster Thorax + jamming drones, a Duramaller with sick resists or a Nos/laser thorax with med drones for EFFECTIVE pirating. Domi and Scorpion make nice Pirate Ships (except sniping, i don't see that sniping has much to do with pvp or pirating) aswell.
Heavy Ion/Electron (depending on your advanced weapon upgrades skill) Thorax + jamming drones + tracking disrupter can be a real pain for any npcing BC or BS without a NOS. - Blood-Squadron - the infamous griefer from the Jumpgate Universe reached Eve! Now we are cuddly, soon we are dreaded!
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:24:00 -
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To all those saying AF's suck for piracy, cruisers will kill you easily - his targets aren't exactly going to be PvP fit. he should be able to take cruisers/BC without too many problems.
I'd say Ishkur is your best bet, other guys have posted setups
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Skyblue Wolf
4x 150mm ac II 1x small nos 1x mwd 1x 7,5km 1x small rep 1x 400mm plate 1x micro aux 1x gyro II
I flew AFs for a while and used a similar setup. But I found plates slow it down too much. Once you switch the MWD off and enter orbit you will find that a Cruiser with a decent base speed and an afterburner will be a problem to pin down long enough for you to score the kill.
Also I had trouble killing people with a clue, I once spend 10 minutes trying to break the tank of a Maller with a 2 year old vet behind the controls.
So bottom line, AFs are fun ships but certainly not ideal for the task of belt piracy. I have since started using Ruptures and Arbitrators, i've not had much time to play lately but they are both much better suited imho.
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Zephyr Starkiller
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:43:00 -
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I typically fly a Wolf in 0.0 space and use it to play around with. Don't go up against a BS, run if you see one, cuz yes, they will kill you pretty easily if they are set-up right. If they aren't, you won't break their tank anyway, assuming they have on for NPCing.
As for Cruisers, in 0.4 and lower, unless they are hunting you, they will be set-up mainly for NPC also. Not THE rule, but a general assumption. I haven't had a problem killing cruisers yet that were not actively hunting me. Took out a Caracal last night using an AF. Then they did corner me with a Tristan, 2 Merlins and 2 Ravens and yes, I got popped. Went back out there with a defferent set-up and took out the Tristan and Merlin. They had the Merlin, 2 Ravens and another Caracal shooting me, and I still ****ped the Merlin and got away before they could pop me. So for those that are saying AFs can't do any good, they can do really good, as long as you know your limitations.
Stick with Indies, frigs, AFs and basic cruisers and maybe a BC, but don't go up against a HAC or BS cuz yes, they will own you. There are even a few pilots out there that can own most AFs using an Inty, so it is all skills and knowing what you can and can't do with your ship and character vs other ships and characters, imho.
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Drommy
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Posted - 2006.02.27 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Drommy on 27/02/2006 17:00:57 Edited by: Drommy on 27/02/2006 17:00:19 omg, who ever says that AF's cant kill **** imo doesn't know ****. i belive ishkur is the best AF for anykind of pvp imo, however u meet something that spits exp damage at you and can actually hit you ur dead. to pilot an ishkur effectively you need good drone skills tho too. will kick amarr af's/cald af's/enyo's buts tho. it will kill cruisers easy as pie (providing there not set up as anti AF. its only problem really is big drone capacity ships. try this for a set up on it. its what ive stuck with after multiple refits 3x ion ii,nos named (ive not seen tech 2, anyone else noticed any? (sorry to hijack the thread) ab ii, 7.5km scram, web (get the best you can afford. stps cepters from mwd'n far enough away to warp b4 they pop) rep ii, dmg mod ii, energized adaptive/exp plate/overdrive. i change those around regulary, depending on what im hunting for, and how the last hunt went ofc :) i use 2 med 3 light exp/em ii drones. used to use all smalls in the old days. but im not sure whats better now. will have to test it.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III Can someone please tell me what the best solo piracy AF is?
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I am going after primarily combat ships(especially other AFs), not barges, haulers, ect...
Hum... just for the record, let me point out that it seems you are not doing piracy (going for the softest target you can find that may drop good enough loot / may be ransomed for enough isk to be worth the trouble), but all-out 'combat' if it were.
I'm pointing this out because they are two different activities.
Example: an NPCing cruiser can be safely expected to: -have cruiser-sized weapons, -won't have a scrambler -probably wont have a webber -and most important, will be tanked against the NPCs damage, and dealing the 'anti-NPC' damage.
That last difference is crucial; you can tank an AF to that specific damage and have a picnic with almost any NPCer. In that scenario, AFs work better that inties.
Now, in a 'combat' scenario, in which your foe will probably have warp scrambler and may have anti-frig defenses (or have a complete anti-frig setup), I would advise you to scrap the AF and go for the inty, hands down.
Why? One word: speed. If you are in an AF, anybody that puts a webber on you, or anybody faster than you (not hard: any inty, mwd frig, and a few of hacs) will be able to hold you in place and either kill you himself, or hold you there until the cavalry arrives.
Inties allow you to choose your fights much more carefully. As a bonus, it is easier to catch targets that want to run away.
Now, as I said: this assumes that you want to pirate: choose the fights you want to fight, since it is your isk income, and ships are expensive to lose.
If what you are after the rush of the fight itself, then any ship will do.
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 15:36:36 af are **** for piracy. who ever told u to use them is a tard.
what can they kill? another AF. erm its near enough pure skill point based so say 50% chance.
a crusier will pawn you
a BS will pawn you
a BC will pawn you.
you will pawn t1 frigs, cepters will mwd away. so if u intend to ransom and pirate nubs in t1 frigs then the af is ur man. if not use a proper ship
I agree
The day I lose a 'standard' PvP fitted cruiser(note: not anti-af) to some AF is the day I quit EVE.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:17:00 -
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I kill cruisers in AF's all the time...
I've killed a few bs's in an AF
Bc's are hard targets for AF's but sometimes they're doable.
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Barek Ironfist
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: dsfgdsfgsdfg
Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 15:36:36 af are **** for piracy. who ever told u to use them is a tard.
what can they kill? another AF. erm its near enough pure skill point based so say 50% chance.
a crusier will pawn you
a BS will pawn you
a BC will pawn you.
you will pawn t1 frigs, cepters will mwd away. so if u intend to ransom and pirate nubs in t1 frigs then the af is ur man. if not use a proper ship
I agree
The day I lose a 'standard' PvP fitted cruiser(note: not anti-af) to some AF is the day I quit EVE.
Well then, meet me in a system of you're choice and i will hand you you're ass using an Assault frigate. They are more then capable of taking on cruisers that aern't fitted specifically to take them out. I ussually use ishkurs and they are brilliant small ships capable of taking on 2 opponents at once and winning. http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/IXC/sig-barek-ascn-forums.jpg |
Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 17:25:22
Originally by: Barek Ironfist
Originally by: dsfgdsfgsdfg
Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 15:36:36 af are **** for piracy. who ever told u to use them is a tard.
what can they kill? another AF. erm its near enough pure skill point based so say 50% chance.
a crusier will pawn you
a BS will pawn you
a BC will pawn you.
you will pawn t1 frigs, cepters will mwd away. so if u intend to ransom and pirate nubs in t1 frigs then the af is ur man. if not use a proper ship
I agree
The day I lose a 'standard' PvP fitted cruiser(note: not anti-af) to some AF is the day I quit EVE.
Well then, meet me in a system of you're choice and i will hand you you're ass using an Assault frigate. They are more then capable of taking on cruisers that aern't fitted specifically to take them out. I ussually use ishkurs and they are brilliant small ships capable of taking on 2 opponents at once and winning.
i accept. we can use the new fangled can flaging system. ill convo you in game. oh and you can scan my ship before the fight just to prove its not anti anything, its my standard pvp setup.
logging in now
edit:L bah ur not logged in, when u get in convo me, ill do this AF vs crusier thing thanks
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Drommy
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Drommy on 27/02/2006 17:30:55 im with masta kila. the only natural predetor of an af is a hac (bs obviously cos they all have drones too :). even then tho they aint an insti kill. i once faught a eagle till i ran out of ammo. couldnt brake his tank bt he couldnt break mine either. was playing with a cerb the other day too an got him to about a 3rd sheild b4 i woulda been toast were it not a freindly fight. af's are excelent lil ships, especially for the cost. its just there inability to cope with drones or nos that makes them impractable. ofc there voulnerabe to snipers too but theres not olot that aint eh
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 27/02/2006 17:34:46 Af vs cruiser is suicide. Most cruisers = plate + small guns or plate + shortrange guns. Some decent piloting skill and your AF is toast. Usually they die before they get through shields.
Only AF that has some chances is possibly retribution, but it is lacking in medslot department to be of any use in serious pirating buisness.
Inty is much more suitable in my opinion, as you get more dmg, decent tanking with correct setup and most important, it is far more likely you will lock someone down with them.
Also don't forget that it is quite easy to beat AF with inty. (crusader vs caldari AF or gallente vs minmater af or vengeance is usually victory.)
Oh and you can plate up your belt pirating inties as much as you want, you will be faster than any potential victim. You won't pirate inty pilots in 99% cases.
Oh and to add, drones don't worry me too much in inty after i killed dominix with taranis . I admit he was mining, but still after 10minutes of serious drone killing and some cap issues and some burning, he died. Oh and he was using heavys, but it was pre-RMR anyway.
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DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 15:36:36 af are **** for piracy. who ever told u to use them is a tard.
what can they kill? another AF. erm its near enough pure skill point based so say 50% chance.
a crusier will pawn you
a BS will pawn you
a BC will pawn you.
you will pawn t1 frigs, cepters will mwd away. so if u intend to ransom and pirate nubs in t1 frigs then the af is ur man. if not use a proper ship
The idea of piracy is to pick on the weak to feed ur wallet/evilness. Enyo/Wolf/Ishkur all are uber for this. just hav to pick ur targets.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow
Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 15:36:36 af are **** for piracy. who ever told u to use them is a tard.
what can they kill? another AF. erm its near enough pure skill point based so say 50% chance.
a crusier will pawn you
a BS will pawn you
a BC will pawn you.
you will pawn t1 frigs, cepters will mwd away. so if u intend to ransom and pirate nubs in t1 frigs then the af is ur man. if not use a proper ship
The idea of piracy is to pick on the weak to feed ur wallet/evilness. Enyo/Wolf/Ishkur all are uber for this. just hav to pick ur targets.
Yeah, you will go close to thorax just once. Well in 20km anyway. Then you will realize that you will die in next 10s :)
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:51:00 -
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Cruisers are often easy to kill in an AF/frigate, it's just a matter of whether you are fighting a pvper or an NPCer.
I have probably killed 100+ cruisers solo in rifter/wolf (harder now that missles are more effective), and quite a few BC, but when you attack a cruiser pilot who isn't clueless (which can actually be quite rare) then you will get pwned yes. However the majority of cruiser pilots you will bump into when pirating are noobs/pvp noobs that don't really know how to setup the ship to do anything but NPC.
But when you are solo pirating in small ships such as AF you should know not to attack people who are setup to annihilate you anyway. So AF are fine for pirating, just make sure you pick your targets well and don't be afraid to attack newish players who are in BC, they don't tend to fit nos.
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