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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Callistus on 27/02/2006 18:01:53
Originally by: Psycarne Cruisers are often easy to kill in an AF/frigate, it's just a matter of whether you are fighting a pvper or an NPCer.
I have probably killed 100+ cruisers solo in rifter/wolf (harder now that missles are more effective), and quite a few BC, but when you attack a cruiser pilot who isn't clueless (which can actually be quite rare) then you will get pwned yes. However the majority of cruiser pilots you will bump into when pirating are noobs/pvp noobs that don't really know how to setup the ship to do anything but NPC.
But when you are solo pirating in small ships such as AF you should know not to attack people who are setup to annihilate you anyway. So AF are fine for pirating, just make sure you pick your targets well and don't be afraid to attack newish players who are in BC, they don't tend to fit nos.
I was gonna post to disagree with Gronsak, but you've pretty much said everything I was gonna say. Piracy by definition enables you to chose your targets. A well setup cruiser with an pilot who has even a small knowledge of pvp will almost always kill an AF, however in my experience players like this rarely hang around ratting in low sec. You're much more likely to run into players in npcing setup ships with little pvp experience and so the AF is a great solo-piracy ship. --------------
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:22:00 -
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Every ship in game has its uses.
i mean ive solo a tech 2 kitted tempest solo in a frig before, but that was because he was a retard.
ofcourse u can kill a retarded crusier pilot in an AF. but a average crusier pilot pawns a average AF pilot.
anyone thinks differently just convo me, i can use some t2 equipment.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak Every ship in game has its uses.
i mean ive solo a tech 2 kitted tempest solo in a frig before, but that was because he was a retard.
ofcourse u can kill a retarded crusier pilot in an AF. but a average crusier pilot pawns a average AF pilot.
anyone thinks differently just convo me, i can use some t2 equipment.
Yeah you're not new to the game are you?
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Originally by: Gronsak Every ship in game has its uses.
i mean ive solo a tech 2 kitted tempest solo in a frig before, but that was because he was a retard.
ofcourse u can kill a retarded crusier pilot in an AF. but a average crusier pilot pawns a average AF pilot.
anyone thinks differently just convo me, i can use some t2 equipment.
Yeah you're not new to the game are you?
no more than 2yr in the game
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:10:00 -
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You sound new, fooled me.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak Every ship in game has its uses.
i mean ive solo a tech 2 kitted tempest solo in a frig before, but that was because he was a retard.
ofcourse u can kill a retarded crusier pilot in an AF. but a average crusier pilot pawns a average AF pilot.
anyone thinks differently just convo me, i can use some t2 equipment.
Well the majority of people I see in cruisers are people with low skill points and little pvp experiance, or people with high SP who are clueless (ebayers I think ).
Which is why I said npcers are easy to kill in AF, not pvpers, usually because the obvious difference is the use of nos + web. And in my experiance that IS the average cruiser pilot because there are more people flying around like that in my neck of the woods.
The number of people flying around low sec in cruisers NPCing far out weighs the number of people flying around in cruisers looking for a fight I believe.
And you can't pirate people who are looking for pvp unless you find a tactical advantage over them anyway, so the point is moot. ------------- Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
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SeDSilva
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:22:00 -
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AF will kill cruiser's and u maybe a ferox, because of the shield tank can't last forever - just stay out of his nos range.
i fly a Harpy and if you can get into a group of 2 or 3 af you can kill anything, you can move fast so you dont have to hang around in a system and can move like 10 jumps were as a bs would take you a long time.
Harpy setup: Highs: 4x 125mm tech 2 with antimatter ammo - around 11-12 optimal 1x Malkuth standard missile launcher with blooclaws Mids: 1x shield booster tech 2 1x warp disruptor - 20km 1x 90% webber 1x ab tech 2 lows 1x basic capacitor flux coil - +20% cap regen/-10% cap storage 1xPDU
i killed a destroyer in under 6 seconds and lost 10% shields, Cruisers are easy enough - just set ur orbital out of nos range and kill them from there. if they get into nos range just web and ab out of it.
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto hope this helps a little bit.
Ishkur This little bugger got 3 med-slots to fit webber/scrambler/ab. high -> 3 or 2 nos and gun¦s. lows -> energized-reactive-membrane II, CPR, t2-repper .....and of course a full rack of t2-drones. Strikes fast, strikes hard and is the nightmare of all inty¦s/frigs/cruisers/af¦s. It eats cruisers alive.
Enyo is more gang-support, becouse of it¦s alphastrike.
Ishkur setup like this is deffo a great little pirate ship.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:38:00 -
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You can happily pirate in an AF. Remember, also, no ship is 'best' at anything.
However, my advice for pirating in something, assuming you want to stay as small as possible, would be a Rupture. You can kill anything from Inty to BC in it happily, if flown and set up right.
Check the sticky for Rupture setups.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Pesadel0 on 28/02/2006 13:39:06 nvm *snip*
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Titus Z
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: SeDSilva AF will kill cruiser's and u maybe a ferox, because of the shield tank can't last forever - just stay out of his nos range.
i fly a Harpy and if you can get into a group of 2 or 3 af you can kill anything, you can move fast so you dont have to hang around in a system and can move like 10 jumps were as a bs would take you a long time.
Harpy setup: Highs: 4x 125mm tech 2 with antimatter ammo - around 11-12 optimal 1x Malkuth standard missile launcher with blooclaws Mids: 1x shield booster tech 2 1x warp disruptor - 20km 1x 90% webber 1x ab tech 2 lows 1x basic capacitor flux coil - +20% cap regen/-10% cap storage 1xPDU
i killed a destroyer in under 6 seconds and lost 10% shields, Cruisers are easy enough - just set ur orbital out of nos range and kill them from there. if they get into nos range just web and ab out of it.
I'll agree that a AF can take a cruiser more times than not, but a Ferox pilot with anything above basic BC skills should be ashamed to lose 1 on 1 vs an AF.
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 27/02/2006 15:36:36 af are **** for piracy. who ever told u to use them is a tard.
what can they kill? another AF. erm its near enough pure skill point based so say 50% chance.
a crusier will pawn you
a BS will pawn you
a BC will pawn you.
you will pawn t1 frigs, cepters will mwd away. so if u intend to ransom and pirate nubs in t1 frigs then the af is ur man. if not use a proper ship
Maybe the cruisers and battlecruisers I've taken out with my harpy were just crap pilots then.
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:33:00 -
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anyone saying an AF will lose to a cruiser is wrong unless the cruiser has Nos fitted.
Yesterday with my alt in a Punisher with only 128k SP and T1 gear except for a named plate he took down a 1 month old pilot in an omen setup for close range.
Same alt also took down a 1 month old pilot in a Moa. ******************** Wolven Elite Guard is recruiting
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III Yesterday with my alt in a Punisher with only 128k SP and T1 gear except for a named plate he took down a 1 month old pilot in an omen setup for close range.
Same alt also took down a 1 month old pilot in a Moa.
Congratulations, I see it didn't go to your head.
No offense but killing NPC'ing Cruisers who left their webifiers at home, isn't the same as killing one fitted for PvP.
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JoeT
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III anyone saying an AF will lose to a cruiser is wrong unless the cruiser has Nos fitted.
Yesterday with my alt in a Punisher with only 128k SP and T1 gear except for a named plate he took down a 1 month old pilot in an omen setup for close range.
Same alt also took down a 1 month old pilot in a Moa.
that's pretty good. I used a punisher and attacked a rifter that turned out to be a jaguar and i somehow manged to win O_O
As for AF, i love mine to death. It has worked wonders on killing people. Let a curiser nos me, by the time i run out of cap he should be dead (takes about 40s with one med nos on me). I love my retribution, works wonders. --- Murder Murder, yes indeed, K-I-L-L-I-N-G
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cytosci1
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Posted - 2006.03.01 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: cytosci1 on 01/03/2006 12:38:34 Sorry to hijack the thread but, Do you guys think an AF can kill a ferox. I dont have money to test it. But i did kill some AFs in ferox on new blade test server. I am just curious. I wasnt using an anti-AF setup tho. My sp was below 1milsp. And i was using named expensive stuffs. I didnt pick the target, they picked me and died.
Quote: But when you are solo pirating in small ships such as AF you should know not to attack people who are setup to annihilate you anyway. So AF are fine for pirating, just make sure you pick your targets well and don't be afraid to attack newish players who are in BC, they don't tend to fit nos.
No wonder why an AF attacked me and warped out before i could get into warp scrambler range. He couldnt break my shield tank even though i didnt have much shield tanking skills and he lost 50% of his structure. Anyway, How many of you think that a BC can kill an AF? I would have tested it if i had money.
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TheHerbster
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:12:00 -
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Ishkur is great for solo pirating but like it's been said here already - you still have to pick your targets though. Obviously anyone who says you will get pwned by a cruiser in an A/F is babbling rubbish because it's been done before and is still being done now, hence they are incorrect. If one player keeps getting blown up in an A/F by someone in a cruiser it's that players fault for:
-Not picking the correct target in the first place -Having the incorrect fitting -Having the incorrect skills -Having the wrong tactics
Either all, or a mixture of the above could be your downfall. Test some ships (Ishkur ftw)and setup's which can be found on this forum, but don't listen to inept doom mongers who have failed before you.
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Revara
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Posted - 2006.03.16 13:39:00 -
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2x af's can kill any ship except a bs for one reason only nos. bc's go down easy enough cause of the 10500 nos range. sit at 12km and pound away.
in responce to best solo af - hmm any solo pvp is difficult and not the best thing todo, i personally like to rock out with a buddy in any type ship.
I fly a harpy, but i am leaning towards the ishkur even if it is a month long skill training for the skills (drone skills = ouch for tech 2 drones)
I hope ya have fun mate, but solo is very difficult for piracy
Originally by: turnschuh FFS CCP do something against suicide ganks in empire,u cannot transport stuff in empire worth 200mil since you just get blown up by a lame suicide BS
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.16 13:51:00 -
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tbh..... even the Ishkur is not the "I WIN"-Af. like the posters above said -> Pick your targets, fit your ship wisely and be aware of cruisers with NOS. If you follow these little 3 things.....you should be fine and have fun in pvp (i REALY do in my ishkur). In my ishkur the only af i fear is a wolf. But if he comes to near to me -> webber, NOS, scrambler -> booom. But a sniping Harpy is also a very hard nugget (gistii-shield-tank 4TW). A message to the close-range Harpy-pilots -> WTS Gistii-Shield-tanks and gistii-ab¦s
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.16 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
a crusier will pawn you
Maybe if you get within NOS range or don't fit an ab and you don't target drones.
Maybe they 'pawn' you like the cheap trinket you are, but unless you're facing a cruiser with a mwd, it won't be hard to sit at around 15km, using a 20km scram on them. The hardest thing is to kill them before you use up to much cap, but unless they're setup to tank your damage, they won't.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.03.17 00:47:00 -
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haven't faught to many cruisers in my ishkur but i've faught enough to know that its possibly to take down most pvp cruisers in a ishkur atleast (3 named nos setup) since even if you run into 2 medium nos you should have enough cap to keep him scramed and get a few reps off before your caped out, in that time your drones should be mostly thru his armor. my standard setup has pretty insane resists and a cruiser can't track me enuuogh most of the time at point blank to cut thru it (caracals and blasteraxs can be an issue here though)
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Fanory Rindat
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Posted - 2006.03.17 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Fanory Rindat on 17/03/2006 00:51:17 Ishkur:
3x 150mm T2 rails (spike ammo) 1x AB 1x 20k Scram 1x Web 1x SAR2 1x MagStab2 1x Cap Relay 3x Warrior 2s 2x Valkyrie 2s
Try and orbit them at around 16-18km (depending on target of course. Some you're going to want to close in on), which will outrange the frig gun setup cruisers. 250mm/720mm/Heavy Beam users will still have a hard time hitting you as well. The web is for when you get an MWDing cruiser trying to get in range. He will get to you eventually, but it will take him some time.
It's generally not going to be in your best interest to engage any ruptures or minny AFs, as their explosive damage will rip you up right quick, so pick your targets wisely. Any inty is basically screwed against you though if it tries to fight, as is most any cruiser (sans rupture, or like a caracal sniping you from 50km).
Oh, and if you come up against a thorax, I'd highly suggest killing his drones first.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.17 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: ChalSto hope this helps a little bit.
Ishkur This little bugger got 3 med-slots to fit webber/scrambler/ab. high -> 3 or 2 nos and gun¦s. lows -> energized-reactive-membrane II, CPR, t2-repper .....and of course a full rack of t2-drones. Strikes fast, strikes hard and is the nightmare of all inty¦s/frigs/cruisers/af¦s. It eats cruisers alive.
Enyo is more gang-support, becouse of it¦s alphastrike.
ffs u make ur allaince mates cringe at that post. wanna prove to me that a AF can beat a crusier let alone "It eats cruisers alive." btw if u accept you be like the 9th person to loose a AF to my crusier cos on forums they though af ftw
stop giving bad info out to the noobs, crusiers *****ANY AF
Gronsack shut the **** up, a af will kill any cruiser that doesent have NoS and will kill any bc that doesent have nos or a good tank, Considering its low sec piracy, this is a lot of people. ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.03.17 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Phelan Lore on 17/03/2006 02:10:41
Originally by: ChalSto Edited by: ChalSto on 27/02/2006 15:48:30
Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: ChalSto hope this helps a little bit.
Ishkur This little bugger got 3 med-slots to fit webber/scrambler/ab. high -> 3 or 2 nos and gun¦s. lows -> energized-reactive-membrane II, CPR, t2-repper .....and of course a full rack of t2-drones. Strikes fast, strikes hard and is the nightmare of all inty¦s/frigs/cruisers/af¦s. It eats cruisers alive.
Enyo is more gang-support, becouse of it¦s alphastrike.
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ffs u make ur allaince mates cringe at that post. wanna prove to me that a AF can beat a crusier let alone "It eats cruisers alive." btw if u accept you be like the 9th person to loose a AF to my crusier cos on forums they though af ftw
stop giving bad info out to the noobs, crusiers *****ANY AF
nice to fly around in a cruiser ,special fitted for anti-frig/ceptor/af.......... .....i hope you¦ll run into many hostile cruisers......
Like what?
Rupture: 4 dual 180mm 2 Nos
MWD Web Scram
800mm plate Rep 2 x something
Yeah I always have sooo much trouble vs other cruisers. /sarcasm
and BTW to the OP, this is a way cheaper and more effective solo piracy ship than any AF. ________________ ~Phelan Lore
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.03.17 02:50:00 -
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I'm gonna say either the harpy or enyo because I always leave my drones in belts by accident.
Wolfs are sexy but arty dps doesn't cut it for breaking npcer tanks.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.03.17 02:59:00 -
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jaguar if it gets a 4th mid and the speed bonus
Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Gronsack shut the **** up, a af will kill any cruiser that doesent have NoS and will kill any bc that doesent have nos or a good tank, Considering its low sec piracy, this is a lot of people.
How do you kill this Thorax setup in a AF then: 5x Heavy Electron Blaster II (or modals, or whatever) 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 1x Medium armor rep 2 1x exp hardener 1x energized adaptive nano 1x magnetic field stab 1x 800mm plate 5x Valkyrie IIs Or something along those lines. Don't get me started on Vexor setups... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
How do you kill this Thorax setup in a AF then: 5x Heavy Electron Blaster II (or modals, or whatever) 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 1x Medium armor rep 2 1x exp hardener 1x energized adaptive nano 1x magnetic field stab 1x 800mm plate 5x Valkyrie IIs Or something along those lines. Don't get me started on Vexor setups...
Duel my af and I'll show you how I'd kill it.
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Jarek Naumen
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: cytosci1 Edited by: cytosci1 on 01/03/2006 12:38:34 Sorry to hijack the thread but, Do you guys think an AF can kill a ferox. I dont have money to test it. But i did kill some AFs in ferox on new blade test server. I am just curious. I wasnt using an anti-AF setup tho. My sp was below 1milsp. And i was using named expensive stuffs. I didnt pick the target, they picked me and died.
Quote: But when you are solo pirating in small ships such as AF you should know not to attack people who are setup to annihilate you anyway. So AF are fine for pirating, just make sure you pick your targets well and don't be afraid to attack newish players who are in BC, they don't tend to fit nos.
No wonder why an AF attacked me and warped out before i could get into warp scrambler range. He couldnt break my shield tank even though i didnt have much shield tanking skills and he lost 50% of his structure. Anyway, How many of you think that a BC can kill an AF? I would have tested it if i had money.
In the last 3 days i've killed 2x Ferox and engaged Cyclone+Caracal, popping the Cyclone and making the Caracal run with my Ishkur. So yes it's quite possible to kill plenty of NPC'ing BC's with an AF. Ofc a decently setup BC will pwn you, but you can't even imagine how many clueless people wander around low sec. You just have to teach them a lesson. Btw talking about clueless people...engaged 2 Npcing Ravens with Brutix+Curse and they both went pop . Yeah..it's quite sad actually..but nice loot .
Oh and AF's are not exactly the most cost-effective ships to experiment pirating with them so don't do it unless you can afford it.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Benglada
Gronsack shut the **** up, a af will kill any cruiser that doesent have NoS and will kill any bc that doesent have nos or a good tank, Considering its low sec piracy, this is a lot of people.
How do you kill this Thorax setup in a AF then: 5x Heavy Electron Blaster II (or modals, or whatever) 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Scram 1x Medium armor rep 2 1x exp hardener 1x energized adaptive nano 1x magnetic field stab 1x 800mm plate 5x Valkyrie IIs Or something along those lines. Don't get me started on Vexor setups...
Good question. As an Ishkur pilot, seeing that you are in a rax, I would obviously be playing it carefully. For a start, I would be sitting around the 15 - 20km mark where I can warpscramble safely from with my mwd off, but watching your speed for any signs that you are charging in.
Secondly, I would know that you are packing your 5 med drones and those are the biggest threat to me (unless you are packing rails too). With that in mind, I would be looking to take out your drones with my drones and guns while keeping you scrambled.
Finally, with your drones dead, I would be focussing my drones on you with all the time in the world to kill you. The only option left for you as a rax pilot would be to run and jump, or hope you can kill off my drones with your blasters.
In all honesty, I think it would end up a stalemate with both sets of drones dead. The rax would not catch the ishkur, and the ishkur would not have enough drones to finish the takedown.
Or, I could do the nub thing and go straight in to 2km and get pwned --
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