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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5269
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Posted - 2013.11.29 00:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:We can theory-craft this all day but its just a lot simpler to fit a heavy nuet, drain the inties, blow them up and leave...
You lose about 700dps overall from your mega gang but you gain the ability to skip all this crap.
Edit: I didn't make this all up, I was a big fan of Garmon, read a lot of his stuff and a few other great battleship small gang / solo guys. You don't fit a heavy neut onto the mega, you bring either a geddon or a BS with a utility slot. what is this teamwork There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1692
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Posted - 2013.11.29 00:34:00 -
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In another thread, I asked Infinity if he's actually ever been in a fleet fight before.
I got my answer in the last 5 pages or so.
Still laughing about the 5 Crows vs 5 Megas assertion, too. Never heard an FC call for scatter, I take it? I'm almost tempted to label him an EFT warrior. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5269
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Posted - 2013.11.29 00:37:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In another thread, I asked Infinity if he's actually ever been in a fleet fight before.
I got my answer in the last 5 pages or so.
Still laughing about the 5 Crows vs 5 Megas assertion, too. Never heard an FC call for scatter, I take it? I'm almost tempted to label him an EFT warrior. if only someone had trained with the raidendot tracking titan fleets There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kristina Rin
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
32
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Posted - 2013.11.29 01:18:00 -
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i miss the old Abaddon fleet, first time in fleet with CVA was an Abaddon fleet and it was amazing :D From Vietnam with love <3 |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1420
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Posted - 2013.11.29 01:50:00 -
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I like battleships. You undock in one and all the flashy red guys either leave or explode. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Equal Opportunity Haterz H-K Industries
19
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Posted - 2013.11.29 02:07:00 -
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So.. battleships (supposedly) can't track interceptors... wasn't it established that even capship guns can blap frigates because sooner or later they always end up moving directly towards or away from at least ONE of them? Or how about those 25 Warrior IIs.. which constitute only 1/3 of the drone capacity of those Megathrons? Crows can hold off the Warrior II DPS long enough to kill a battleship?
Yeah, not buying it. "I wardecc'd people in highsec!"
I bet those people had FANTASTIC coordination between their battleships too. "I killed some inexperienced highsec pilots in wardecs, therefore it always works!" |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8883
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Posted - 2013.11.29 07:05:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:I have to agree with you to some extent OP.
Battleships are still good, but the warp changes were a bit much.
I already figured out how to get one of the mega hulls to warp as fast as an assault frigate. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17592
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Posted - 2013.11.29 12:31:00 -
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Btw, IZ, do you know what a Mega can do that a Proteus can't?
GǪ
Alpha a deployed depot into reinforcement. So one of your whines is the solution to another of your whines. Fancy that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2013.11.29 15:59:00 -
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Serdar Tyrnx wrote:Aralieus wrote:BATTLESHIPS!!!
**** YEA!!!
On a more serious note...BS's are one my favorite ships to fly among the stars with. Very skill intensive but under the right circumstances is unmatched in its capabilities. You Sir, have clearly not attacked a dread in your BS then :)
Meaning what? He did say "under the right circumstances" Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8884
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Posted - 2013.11.29 16:05:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Serdar Tyrnx wrote:Aralieus wrote:BATTLESHIPS!!!
**** YEA!!!
On a more serious note...BS's are one my favorite ships to fly among the stars with. Very skill intensive but under the right circumstances is unmatched in its capabilities. You Sir, have clearly not attacked a dread in your BS then :) Meaning what? He did say "under the right circumstances"
It wasn't that long ago that dread sized guns were picking off mwding cruisers and webbed frigates. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Contresquito Resquilanado
Noble-Crown Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2013.11.30 01:49:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Lol. If you want to trade 100 dps for the ability to cap out your enemy please feel free. A fleet of mega's with 1 nuet each vs a fleet of megas with only blasters is going to wtf pwn the latter.
I thought you said comparing it to fleet fighting was wrong.. Wasn't this about solo?
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
356
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Posted - 2013.11.30 03:54:00 -
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Contresquito Resquilanado wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Lol. If you want to trade 100 dps for the ability to cap out your enemy please feel free. A fleet of mega's with 1 nuet each vs a fleet of megas with only blasters is going to wtf pwn the latter.
I thought you said comparing it to fleet fighting was wrong.. Wasn't this about solo?
Its a strawman anyway, its just there for us to tear it down. Not only have battleships always been slow, 5 megas by themselves suffer from a critical inability to lock targets before they escape and always have, which means a 5 man pure mega formation has never been a likely choice.
The assertion that 5 megas with neuts will win is also pretty poor, because those neuts are almost certainly going to be running against cap boosters, and the neut boats will lose the first ship through having the least dps, and the opposition are likely to be able to jetcan boosters to each other in order to share their capacitor against the neuts.
A formation with 4 megas and 1 geddon however, has the distinct advantage of being more likely to reach a logistics cruiser with the geddons neuts, and also if it does reach the logistics cruiser with its neuts, its going to reach it with _all of them at once_ which is also a highly desirable trait.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5270
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Posted - 2013.11.30 04:35:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Contresquito Resquilanado wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Lol. If you want to trade 100 dps for the ability to cap out your enemy please feel free. A fleet of mega's with 1 nuet each vs a fleet of megas with only blasters is going to wtf pwn the latter.
I thought you said comparing it to fleet fighting was wrong.. Wasn't this about solo? Its a strawman anyway, its just there for us to tear it down. Not only have battleships always been slow, 5 megas by themselves suffer from a critical inability to lock targets before they escape and always have, which means a 5 man pure mega formation has never been a likely choice. The assertion that 5 megas with neuts will win is also pretty poor, because those neuts are almost certainly going to be running against cap boosters, and the neut boats will lose the first ship through having the least dps, and the opposition are likely to be able to jetcan boosters to each other in order to share their capacitor against the neuts. A formation with 4 megas and 1 geddon however, has the distinct advantage of being more likely to reach a logistics cruiser with the geddons neuts, and also if it does reach the logistics cruiser with its neuts, its going to reach it with _all of them at once_ which is also a highly desirable trait. What about five spidertanking dominixes with drone assist There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8893
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:41:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: What about five spidertanking dominixes with drone assist
I would take on IZ's 5 cepters with a single raven. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1716
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: What about five spidertanking dominixes with drone assist
I would take on IZ's 5 cepters with a single raven.
I would pay to see this live. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8893
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would pay to see this live.
The Raven is now my second choice BS because it is so much fun to fly and its very deadly to smaller ships now. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Zhaceera Armerarram
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:07:00 -
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You can smell the stench of L2P post when you get as argument for the idea sentences that use I, me, my, mine, and any sort of reference to the person without any generalization factor included. E.g.: "I used to X" stench of L2P. "I used to see people doing X" can be actually worth reading. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8893
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:56:00 -
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Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:You can smell the stench of L2P post when you get as argument for the idea sentences that use I, me, my, mine, and any sort of reference to the person without any generalization factor included. E.g.: "I used to X" stench of L2P. "I used to see people doing X" can be actually worth reading.
Its more of a case of EFT warriors with very little flight time in these ships vs people who fly the ships day in day out for years. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Zhaceera Armerarram
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:You can smell the stench of L2P post when you get as argument for the idea sentences that use I, me, my, mine, and any sort of reference to the person without any generalization factor included. E.g.: "I used to X" stench of L2P. "I used to see people doing X" can be actually worth reading. Its more of a case of EFT warriors with very little flight time in these ships vs people who fly the ships day in day out for years.
Well, inexperient people usually DO KNOW they are inexperienced, as it is an absolute condition. Knowledge on the other hand is still a relative condition.
You can do something for years, get very experienced, and still have no clue of what you are missing.
"If justice is not for everyone, it is for no one." |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8898
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:52:00 -
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Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
Well, inexperient people usually DO KNOW they are inexperienced, as it is an absolute condition. Knowledge on the other hand is still a relative condition.
You can do something for years, get very experienced, and still have no clue of what you are missing.
In all honesty there are only two things I can think of that I haven't done with a mega and that black ops and capital fleets. The only reason I haven't done them is simply down to the fact that CCP Foz has yet to give me a jump drive to bolt onto my mega. I don't normally blow my own horn to this extent but I have a reputation for getting Megathrons to do what most think impossible.
IZ does not have the in game experience and has a reputation of getting it wrong and refusing to admit it. Their argument so far relies upon EFT numbers which in all honesty are near useless.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
851
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Posted - 2013.12.01 01:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
Well, inexperient people usually DO KNOW they are inexperienced, as it is an absolute condition. Knowledge on the other hand is still a relative condition.
You can do something for years, get very experienced, and still have no clue of what you are missing.
In all honesty there are only two things I can think of that I haven't done with a mega and that black ops and capital fleets. The only reason I haven't done them is simply down to the fact that CCP Foz has yet to give me a jump drive to bolt onto my mega. I don't normally blow my own horn to this extent but I have a reputation for getting Megathrons to do what most think impossible. IZ does not have the in game experience and has a reputation of getting it wrong and refusing to admit it. Their argument so far relies upon EFT numbers which in all honesty are near useless. hilarious. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5272
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Posted - 2013.12.01 01:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Zhaceera Armerarram wrote:
Well, inexperient people usually DO KNOW they are inexperienced, as it is an absolute condition. Knowledge on the other hand is still a relative condition.
You can do something for years, get very experienced, and still have no clue of what you are missing.
In all honesty there are only two things I can think of that I haven't done with a mega and that black ops and capital fleets. The only reason I haven't done them is simply down to the fact that CCP Foz has yet to give me a jump drive to bolt onto my mega. I don't normally blow my own horn to this extent but I have a reputation for getting Megathrons to do what most think impossible. IZ does not have the in game experience and has a reputation of getting it wrong and refusing to admit it. Their argument so far relies upon EFT numbers which in all honesty are near useless. maybe you can try being a bait mega, and a cyno mega There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8905
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Posted - 2013.12.01 06:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
maybe you can try being a bait mega, and a cyno mega
I did in fact fit a cyno on all of my mega before CCP took away the utility slot. I would love to take part in siege fleets and dread blobs though. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8905
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Posted - 2013.12.01 06:20:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: hilarious.
Well so far you have only managed to show that your 5 cepters get killed or forced to warp off and that you don't know much about picking the right ships for the job. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3720
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Posted - 2013.12.01 06:44:00 -
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I remember a great solo BS user by the name of Bellum Eternus. He do you such a treat let me tell ya. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
465
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Posted - 2013.12.01 13:18:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:No I'm saying that given that a Prot outperforms a Megathron in almost every area for the same price its clear that Battleships are complete shite.
They're for different situations. And you dont lose any sp for being killed in a Mega. You seem to be deliberately ignoring info that doesn't back up your point. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
851
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:19:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:No I'm saying that given that a Prot outperforms a Megathron in almost every area for the same price its clear that Battleships are complete shite. They're for different situations. And you dont lose any sp for being killed in a Mega. You seem to be deliberately ignoring info that doesn't back up your point. I lose 10 Megas in a day im still sweet to go out and lose another ten if i want. You CANNOT do that kind of disposable pvp in T3's without long breaks between losses to train ur skills back up to normal. IZ - Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Baltec is correct about his reputation with Megathrons, IZ is talking a pile of old rubbish as usual. You might want to take some of your own advice I think.
Baltec knows zero about the Mega. I can say that with 100 accuracy because he's hasn't flown one without 20, 30, 40 to hundreds of people at the same time making up for its deficiencies.
I on the other hand have used them since I could first jump into a battleship, until battleships were nerfed and smaller ships buffed to make them unviable to fly solo that's all I pvp'd in.
There's a reason the only large T2 guns I have trained are large blasters and large rails. I didn't train them for the dominix.
The skill loss from the T3's mean nothing in a comparison of ship hulls and ship ability. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8929
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:47:00 -
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So where are the proteus fleets?
If they outclass mega fleets so badly why is nobody flying them in fleet fights? Why is it that Battleship make up the core in every single fleet fight if T3s are supposedly so much better?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5276
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So where are the proteus fleets? If they outclass mega fleets so badly why is nobody flying them in fleet fights? Why is it that Battleship make up the core in every single fleet fight if T3s are supposedly so much better? Infinity Ziona wrote: Baltec knows zero about the Mega. I can say that with 100 accuracy because he's hasn't flown one without 20, 30, 40 to hundreds of people at the same time making up for its deficiencies.
And you have nothing but ratters and cyno frig kills on your record that goes back to the middle of this year with not a single mega in sight. Are you sure you want to call me out on this? time for a callout thread There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
851
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So where are the proteus fleets? If they outclass mega fleets so badly why is nobody flying them in fleet fights? Why is it that Battleship make up the core in every single fleet fight if T3s are supposedly so much better? Infinity Ziona wrote: Baltec knows zero about the Mega. I can say that with 100 accuracy because he's hasn't flown one without 20, 30, 40 to hundreds of people at the same time making up for its deficiencies.
And you have nothing but ratters and cyno frig kills on your record that goes back to the middle of this year with not a single mega in sight. Are you sure you want to call me out on this? Actually not entirely true. I jumped a mega into a three man gate camp in Rancer a month or so ago. Was actually winning until PL showed up with 16 dweebs.
Thats why I I'm on the killmail as a pod.
I don't use Megas anymore simply because they're useless solo for that reason, too slow.
Thanks to cynos and nerfs of solo play engaging anything that will take a while to kill thats fitted for pvp and a serious lack of solo pvp fit targets ratters are the target of choice for soloing. Unless you like frigate pvp which I don't. Do you suggest I attack dweeb camps like your 20 to 200 man blobs? No thanks. |
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