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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8929
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:56:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Actually not entirely true. I jumped a mega into a three man gate camp in Rancer a month or so ago. Was actually winning until PL showed up with 16 dweebs.
Thats why I I'm on the killmail as a pod.
I don't use Megas anymore simply because they're useless solo for that reason, too slow.
Thanks to cynos and nerfs of solo play engaging anything that will take a while to kill thats fitted for pvp and a serious lack of solo pvp fit targets ratters are the target of choice for soloing. Unless you like frigate pvp which I don't. Do you suggest I attack dweeb camps like your 20 to 200 man blobs? No thanks.
Did it ever occur to you that battleships are best used with support ships?
That said the ship you are wanting is the raven or geddon. Both do solo well. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6565
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:59:00 -
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"Support ships" is a concept IZ just can't quite grasp. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
851
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Support ships" is a concept IZ just can't quite grasp. Not true I have my ISBoxer Stealth Bomber wing almost fully trained up now. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
350
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:34:00 -
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ITT people thinking comparing a TIII to a TI BS is somehow legitimate comparison.
Also people not seeming to realise that BS fleets are pretty common in Low sec. |
Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
355
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:12:00 -
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I fly a 'geddon solo on rare occasions and it's alright. There aren't many situations where a solo battleship is a useful response anymore, though.
It would take a long series of concussions before I'd want to fly a plated Megathron solo. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
853
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Actually not entirely true. I jumped a mega into a three man gate camp in Rancer a month or so ago. Was actually winning until PL showed up with 16 dweebs.
Thats why I I'm on the killmail as a pod.
I don't use Megas anymore simply because they're useless solo for that reason, too slow.
Thanks to cynos and nerfs of solo play engaging anything that will take a while to kill thats fitted for pvp and a serious lack of solo pvp fit targets ratters are the target of choice for soloing. Unless you like frigate pvp which I don't. Do you suggest I attack dweeb camps like your 20 to 200 man blobs? No thanks.
Did it ever occur to you that battleships are best used with support ships? That said the ship you are wanting is the raven or geddon. Both do solo well. I like my blasters for killing players. Missiles are for red crosses and I don't fly Amarr ships. Love to use curse and bhalgorn tbh but cant break the rule. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8932
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Posted - 2013.12.02 08:39:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Actually not entirely true. I jumped a mega into a three man gate camp in Rancer a month or so ago. Was actually winning until PL showed up with 16 dweebs.
Thats why I I'm on the killmail as a pod.
I don't use Megas anymore simply because they're useless solo for that reason, too slow.
Thanks to cynos and nerfs of solo play engaging anything that will take a while to kill thats fitted for pvp and a serious lack of solo pvp fit targets ratters are the target of choice for soloing. Unless you like frigate pvp which I don't. Do you suggest I attack dweeb camps like your 20 to 200 man blobs? No thanks.
Did it ever occur to you that battleships are best used with support ships? That said the ship you are wanting is the raven or geddon. Both do solo well. I like my blasters for killing players. Missiles are for red crosses and I don't fly Amarr ships. Love to use curse and bhalgorn tbh but cant break the rule.
Geddon is now the cheap mans bhaalgorn.
The raven is now possibly the single most adaptable BS for small gang/solo work. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
654
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Posted - 2013.12.02 08:55:00 -
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Battleships aren't supposed to get frontlined. They're supposed to sit in the back, more or less where the dreadnoughts sit. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1754
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Posted - 2013.12.02 09:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Actually not entirely true. I jumped a mega into a three man gate camp in Rancer a month or so ago. Was actually winning until PL showed up with 16 dweebs.
Thats why I I'm on the killmail as a pod.
I don't use Megas anymore simply because they're useless solo for that reason, too slow.
Thanks to cynos and nerfs of solo play engaging anything that will take a while to kill thats fitted for pvp and a serious lack of solo pvp fit targets ratters are the target of choice for soloing. Unless you like frigate pvp which I don't. Do you suggest I attack dweeb camps like your 20 to 200 man blobs? No thanks.
Did it ever occur to you that battleships are best used with support ships? That said the ship you are wanting is the raven or geddon. Both do solo well. I like my blasters for killing players. Missiles are for red crosses and I don't fly Amarr ships. Love to use curse and bhalgorn tbh but cant break the rule. Geddon is now the cheap mans bhaalgorn. The raven is now possibly the single most adaptable BS for small gang/solo work.
You have mentioned the Raven once or twice now.
Is this a result of the introduction of the Rapid Heavy? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
163
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Posted - 2013.12.02 09:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Actually not entirely true. I jumped a mega into a three man gate camp in Rancer a month or so ago. Was actually winning until PL showed up with 16 dweebs.
Thats why I I'm on the killmail as a pod.
I don't use Megas anymore simply because they're useless solo for that reason, too slow.
Thanks to cynos and nerfs of solo play engaging anything that will take a while to kill thats fitted for pvp and a serious lack of solo pvp fit targets ratters are the target of choice for soloing. Unless you like frigate pvp which I don't. Do you suggest I attack dweeb camps like your 20 to 200 man blobs? No thanks.
Did it ever occur to you that battleships are best used with support ships? That said the ship you are wanting is the raven or geddon. Both do solo well.
Yea geddon is pretty boss now. Great solo boat, boosted neuts and drones ftw
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8932
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Posted - 2013.12.02 09:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You have mentioned the Raven once or twice now.
Is this a result of the introduction of the Rapid Heavy?
The BS rebalance made it much better at roaming and yes the rapid heavies are nice things to have. However even before these changes they were a hidden gem for taking out frigate gangs. You would'nt want then in large fleet fights but for small gang/solo work they are great fun. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1754
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Posted - 2013.12.02 09:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You have mentioned the Raven once or twice now.
Is this a result of the introduction of the Rapid Heavy?
The BS rebalance made it much better at roaming and yes the rapid heavies are nice things to have. However even before these changes they were a hidden gem for taking out frigate gangs. You would'nt want then in large fleet fights but for small gang/solo work they are great fun.
Very interesting. I had been under the impression for some time that missiles above small size were a big no-no. I believe I shall look into this, I have been improving my missile skills in any case while moving to training for a Sacrilege. It'd be nice to try and fly a Raven for something besides shooting red crosses from 150km away for once. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
29
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Posted - 2013.12.02 09:46:00 -
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Rapid heavies? I must have missed that one.
Still after all is said and done it's about the only thing that would be rapid on a BS.
Personally I can't get on with them, I had a Raven once, got rid of it as I was not enjoying lumbering around at >75km shooting at other lumbering ships. That's my problem.
I'll stick to interceptors for now but if BS have had an update to improve aspect of the their operating styles I may give it another go. God knows I might need one to help get rid of all the POCOs that have sprung up in my neighbourhood of late.
I can't see the BS becoming obsolete just yet, they do pack a punch and for Lvl 4 missions are an essential. |
Wivabel
Public Menace
125
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:04:00 -
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For all the ******** spew in this thread it has made me miss my mega/hyp so much I must go get a few blown up solo in the near future.
Also the Hyp is essentially the old mega so if you want your neut or whatever fly it. it is the solo blaster ship.
Finally fit micro jump drive then pesky little inties have to come within your scram web range to keep you around. Then they become mt easy killamanjaro. I am not sure if I am going to log in anymore....... |
Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D The Methodical Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:08:00 -
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I was flying my PVE Raven to an escalation and it got pointed twice (sheer damn luck that I survived both). I can honestly say I'm never moving my Battleship anywhere ever again after experiancing those two heart pounding moments! |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3725
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:10:00 -
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Battleships are awesome for hisec L4s and other similarly interesting and challenging activities
Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
854
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:18:00 -
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I think everyone that thinks Battleships are fine should take one out for a solo roam. You will start to understand just how poorly they perform.
Saying that a T1 battleship was designed only as a fleet ship is nonsense. Battleships were once very good for soloing. They never became the one and only ship to use, but they were an option. CCP has said they'd like to see ships have diverse roles however they continue to allow battleships only a niche role (disposable cheap insured fleet peon) that is easily filled by other classes of ships if necessary.
I doubt there is any role in EVE that requires a T1 battleship, or any role where a T1 battleship is best disregarding cost.
Frigates have a proper role and also ancillary roles, destroyers have roles and also diverse roles, cruisers have many roles, battle cruisers can perform the role of a battleship, tank and spank and also other diverse roles including soloing.
T1 Battleships on the other hand don't have a primary role, nor do they excel, nor are they useful overly in diverse roles. All they are really good at is shooting red crosses in L4's and safe nullsec anoms.
One of my main annoyances with battleships is their scan resolution:
Look at the following Gallante line of ships:
Thorax - 350mm Brutix - 250mm Megathron - 118mm
Looks pretty normal, right?
Now look at it with a sensor booster:
Thorax with sensor booster II - Scan Res Script - 350 to 560 (+210) Brutix with Sensor booster II - Scan Res Script - 250 to 400 (+150) Megathron with Sensor booster II - Scan Res Script - 118 to 190 (+82) with 2 sebos it gets 39mm more than a Brutix with no sebo.
Lets look at it with cloaks:
Brutix with Improved Cloak II - 150mm Megathron with no cloak - 118mm Megathron with Improved Cloak II - 78mm
Brutix with a cloak locks faster than a megathron with no cloak and only 40mm slower than a Megathron with a sebo with scan script.
Its ridiculous to nerf the lock as much as it has been. 45 seconds to lock a frigate is stupid, especially after a 30 second cloak delay. There should at least be some sort of reasonable cap, perhaps 20 sec cap on lock times. That's plenty of time to warp out.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2101
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:29:00 -
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Lucky for you, no one is forcing you to fly ships you don't know how to fly. I've seen plenty of PvP videos and hung around low sec enough to know that people do successfully solo with BSes quite regularly. Oh god. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
854
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:31:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Lucky for you, no one is forcing you to fly ships you don't know how to fly. I've seen plenty of PvP videos and hung around low sec enough to know that people do successfully solo with BSes quite regularly. Names?
Also its rather than opposite, I'm being forced NOT to fly the ships I know how to fly most - the Mega. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2101
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:41:00 -
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I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name]. Oh god. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
854
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:42:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name]. So you just made that up? |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1192
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:42:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I'm being forced
Hyperbole much High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2102
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:46:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name]. So you just made that up? Yeah. No one successfully solos with battleships ever. Oh god. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
854
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:51:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name]. So you just made that up? Yeah. No one successfully solos with battleships ever. Well you can't name anyone, you don't solo battleship yourself so it looks like you're just making it up. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2102
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:00:00 -
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Uh-huh. Or you can just browse youtube and see for yourself. Oh god. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
854
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:01:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Uh-huh. Or you can just browse youtube and see for yourself. Yes they're from 2011, 2010, 2009... Can't seem to find any recent ones... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5277
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:02:00 -
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what elite pvp machariels There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3725
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:13:00 -
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Every single solo battleship I've seen in Black Rise has died a slow, humiliating death to a bunch of assorted small T1 ships, I'd never even consider undocking a solo BS in lowsec simply for the reason it being a 100% certain one-way trip without a single kill. Even Santo's smartbombing Panther died eventually.
It's just as stupid as soloing in a capital ship.
And the reason? You can't force a fight. Which means you are always fighting on their terms, aka lost before the engagement even started.
Properly supported BS fleets are cool and a sure way to get to fight SNUFF. Which is pretty much the only good thing about battleships in general- there's no "if", it's "when" they drop so you don't have to muck around looking for fights, fight comes to you.
The actual pvp part with BSes is boring and slow as ****, so generally people opt for something that requires more than F1 and broadcasting for reps.
Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2102
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:13:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmyrOOpaDjE&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT8Ma10yM6k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8IBiM-0br0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn-pfrq4qhM
These are a few I found with 30 seconds of searching. Oh god. |
Adamski flipflop
Black Omega Security Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:22:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I think everyone that thinks Battleships are fine should take one out for a solo roam. You will start to understand just how poorly they perform.
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I mean CCP have said a few times that theyre going to re-balance T3s so they have 1 "role" so I dont think battleships being able to do everything is high on their priority list. |
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