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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2613
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Posted - 2013.12.01 10:25:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, Dinsdale, how do you reconcile that assertion you just made with the fact that the people most loudly pushing for a change in sov are the Goons themselves?
Or do you just ignore that minor inconvenience?
IRL, the wealthiest 1% is totally in favor of changing taxation, yet what they mean with that may not be the same as Joe Bluecollar would mean... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1504
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Posted - 2013.12.01 11:07:00 -
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I'll have at least +3 spaceship MMO games to play by that time \o/
TL;DR CCP is losing competition before it started. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2697
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:10:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Reiisha wrote:Instead of complaining about it, why not offer solutions that could actually work? CCP is just a stumped about it as you guys and are looking for a proper way to do it. *whistles innocently* I encourage everyone to read that link, it's probably the best SOV suggestion I've ever seen. And it's comprehensive as balls. Dodixie > Hek |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:32:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:EI Digin wrote:Reiisha wrote:Instead of complaining about it, why not offer solutions that could actually work? CCP is just a stumped about it as you guys and are looking for a proper way to do it. *whistles innocently* I encourage everyone to read that link, it's probably the best SOV suggestion I've ever seen. And it's comprehensive as balls.
You know you're onto something when you have people from every major nullsec entity, groups who would otherwise or in fact currently are trying to claw out each others eyeballs in 10% tidi, finding themselves all in agreement. But maybe that just says more about the currently abysmal state of sov and the popular opinion being that literally anything would be a better system at this point. EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1184
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: You post this after every null power block has said the current system sucks and needs to be changed...
Oh they said! no way really?
The poster is right, if CCP tried to do anything to threaten their gravy train they would, and did, cry like babies to crush the idea. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:33:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote: You post this after every null power block has said the current system sucks and needs to be changed...
The poster is right, if CCP tried to do anything to threaten their gravy train they would, and did, cry like babies to crush the idea.
~citation needed.
EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
Brendan Anneto
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:33:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Instead of complaining about it, why not offer solutions that could actually work? CCP is just a stumped about it as you guys and are looking for a proper way to do it.
this is the first sensible post of the thread. instead of whining about the system create ideas and give them to the CSM or CCP Proverbs 1:26-27 |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:38:00 -
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you could just vote with your feet. no one says you have to play risk in outer space and you guys do a great job of convincing the rest of us that's it's dull as hell. freelance space bum |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
191
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:43:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Why is anyone surprised by this announcement? What did you truly expect? What did you really want?
CCP has built a construct that benefits a tiny amount of players at the top, who enjoy vast income streams, while these same players at the top assure CCP that they will provide subs as the blue blanket grows.
It is a very nice symbiotic relationship, one that benefits both parties quite richly.
So why on earth would you expect CCP to rock the steady gravy train by creating a new null sec environment that might appeal to more people in the long run, while risking a substantial short term drop in subs if the existing null sec construct was dismantled. Business these days, at least in North America, is all about immediate profits, not profits 5 years from now. No CEO thinks "you know, if I do this action, my stock options will take a hit tomorrow, but 5 years from now, long after I have been fired by the board of directors for giving them a loss this past quarter, the company will flourish".
No, it all about immediate gain. And given the vast amount of money we are talking about, the cartel leaders will do their utmost to shut down any dev who as the temerity to threaten these income streams with changes to the null sec construct. Eve, for a certain group of players, evolved past "just a game" a long time ago. And that group will do everything to maintain the status quo, or even enhance their position, like they just did with high sec PoCo's.
Let me translate this for everybody:
"9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A FOREIGNER! ANCIENT ALIENS ARE HISTORICAL FACT! THERE WAS A SECOND GUNMAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL! MEN IN BLACK IS A TRUE MOVIE! AND YOU CAN CURVE A BULLET'S TRAJECTORY WITH A FLICK OF THE WRIST!"
I think that covers all of it. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1184
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:54:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote: I think that covers all of it.
Way to prove him right with your irrational rage.
Results, as always, say more then a million words of bull****. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1562
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Posted - 2013.12.01 15:35:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: I think that covers all of it.
Way to prove him right with your irrational rage. Results, as always, say more then a million words of bull****.
Yup.
CCP could easily shake up null by simply (and it is really, really simple coding), but setting all the static variables that define moon goo output to zero, adding moon goo to the ABC rocks (they proved how easy that was when they added veld etc to the ABC's), and then randomizing the location of all ABC belts across all space, in 0.2 space and lower.
A belt gets mined out, it pops up anywhere in null, wh space, and deep low sec. And if not mined out, the standard 3 or 4 day anom rule applies.
Suddenly, renting systems becomes a lot less lucrative, and passive moon mining is gone. Null sec cartels suddenly can no longer control output, as it is now in the hands of the individual players.
And when that happens, all this crap about sov suddenly vanishes as well, because why fight for sov when the benefits are so transitory and random?
But no, CCP won't do this, because both they and the cartel leadership have vested interests not to see the cartels stripped of their power. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
191
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Posted - 2013.12.01 15:35:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: I think that covers all of it.
Way to prove him right with your irrational rage. Results, as always, say more then a million words of bull****.
With my rage? Towards what, exactly, am I raging? Are you suggesting I secretly control nullsec and therefore do not want the Sov mechanic scrapped? I'm sure someone here can vouch for me being a nobody. There was no anger in my post, I was merely pointing out how his theories are baseless, lacking any foundation of truth and that they're downright silly. This is not an alt of some powerful coalition member. I post with my main because I feel not doing so utterly destroys your credibility nearly as much as believing conspiracy theories does. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
191
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Posted - 2013.12.01 15:41:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Sentamon wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: I think that covers all of it.
Way to prove him right with your irrational rage. Results, as always, say more then a million words of bull****. Yup. CCP could easily shake up null by simply (and it is really, really simple coding), but setting all the static variables that define moon goo output to zero, adding moon goo to the ABC rocks (they proved how easy that was when they added veld etc to the ABC's), and then randomizing the location of all ABC belts across all space, in 0.2 space and lower. A belt gets mined out, it pops up anywhere in null, wh space, and deep low sec. And if not mined out, the standard 3 or 4 day anom rule applies. Suddenly, renting systems becomes a lot less lucrative, and passive moon mining is gone. Null sec cartels suddenly can no longer control output, as it is now in the hands of the individual players. And when that happens, all this crap about sov suddenly vanishes as well, because why fight for sov when the benefits are so transitory and random? But no, CCP won't do this, because both they and the cartel leadership have vested interests not to see the cartels stripped of their power.
Actually they won't do this because it would ruin Null Sec. Why even join a player run corp if you can just roam Null solo, hoping to find moon minerals in asteroids? The point of Sovereignty is to reward those with the power and drive to take, not to make it so you can get rich without leaving the NPC corps. Sov is screwed up, yes, but your desire for an anti-social EvE is far worse. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
526
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Posted - 2013.12.01 15:48:00 -
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Rainbow Dash wrote:Everyone wants sov to be revamped, but no one has a good idea how.
Maybe get some of those people whose full time job it is to design games and pay them money and tell them to think of something. Could work. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1184
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:19:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote: Actually they won't do this because it would ruin Null Sec. Why even join a player run corp if you can just roam Null solo, hoping to find moon minerals in asteroids? The point of Sovereignty is to reward those with the power and drive to take, not to make it so you can get rich without leaving the NPC corps. Sov is screwed up, yes, but your desire for an anti-social EvE is far worse.
ahh here we go, same old dullsec cartel excuses ... so predictable
and here I thought the point of a video game was challenge and fun... silly me ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2689
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:26:00 -
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Its cute that anyone thinks it'll be fixed next Winter. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8914
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:27:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: Actually they won't do this because it would ruin Null Sec. Why even join a player run corp if you can just roam Null solo, hoping to find moon minerals in asteroids? The point of Sovereignty is to reward those with the power and drive to take, not to make it so you can get rich without leaving the NPC corps. Sov is screwed up, yes, but your desire for an anti-social EvE is far worse.
ahh here we go, same old dullsec cartel excuses ... so predictable and here I thought the point of a video game was challenge and fun... silly me
The man is right.
Problem with a huge chuck of null is that it is worthless space. Making all of null worthless space to hold wont fix anything and would break what little is working.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
273
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:31:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Sentamon wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: I think that covers all of it.
Way to prove him right with your irrational rage. Results, as always, say more then a million words of bull****. Yup. CCP could easily shake up null by simply (and it is really, really simple coding), but setting all the static variables that define moon goo output to zero, adding moon goo to the ABC rocks (they proved how easy that was when they added veld etc to the ABC's), and then randomizing the location of all ABC belts across all space, in 0.2 space and lower. A belt gets mined out, it pops up anywhere in null, wh space, and deep low sec. And if not mined out, the standard 3 or 4 day anom rule applies. Suddenly, renting systems becomes a lot less lucrative, and passive moon mining is gone. Null sec cartels suddenly can no longer control output, as it is now in the hands of the individual players. And when that happens, all this crap about sov suddenly vanishes as well, because why fight for sov when the benefits are so transitory and random? But no, CCP won't do this, because both they and the cartel leadership have vested interests not to see the cartels stripped of their power.
This solution is amazing in its complete inability to address any of the problems with the existing sov system. |
Prince Kobol
1194
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:34:00 -
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Lol.. people from all sides have been saying how bad Sov is since the release of Dominion.
Many people from all sides have posted long and in depth idea's on how Sov could be improved over the years.
I am no way even in the tiniest bit surprised that by this announcement by CCP.
My faith in CCP to do anything regarding Null Sec, whether it be Sov Mechanics, Industry or isk making opportunities is zero.
They will talk about their future vision about having buildable gates, keep throwing out new ships and chancing a few numbers in a database rebalancing ships and call it an expansion simply to distract people from the fact that they are completely incapable of fixing the real big problems in Eve.
CCP last vision was WIS and that burned in fire.
I have no doubt that their latest vision will end the same way.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8914
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:39:00 -
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To be fair, CCP did say that some things will be landing in the summer. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Prince Kobol
1195
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:To be fair, CCP did say that some things will be landing in the summer.
Probably more structures with even more HP and addidition timers |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8920
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:48:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:To be fair, CCP did say that some things will be landing in the summer. Probably more structures with even more HP and addidition timers
Maybe they are new industrial outposts :swoon: Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ezekiel Ironstone
FISE Squad
6
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:49:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lol.. people from all sides have been saying how bad Sov is since the release of Dominion.
Many people from all sides have posted long and in depth idea's on how Sov could be improved over the years.
I am no way even in the tiniest bit surprised that by this announcement by CCP.
My faith in CCP to do anything regarding Null Sec, whether it be Sov Mechanics, Industry or isk making opportunities is zero.
They will talk about their future vision about having buildable gates, keep throwing out new ships and chancing a few numbers in a database rebalancing ships and call it an expansion simply to distract people from the fact that they are completely incapable of fixing the real big problems in Eve.
CCP last vision was WIS and that burned in fire.
I have no doubt that their latest vision will end the same way.
This may not be completely true, but they are going to have to do something next summer or next winter to keep that from being the perception players start to hold, I would think. Every "expansion" we've had since Incarna has been lacking in the "expansion" feel. Ship balancing, shinies, etc, and when the dev blogs come out, along with other dev commentary, their wording of things really makes it sound like they did these changes in a couple of days. CCP is starting to come across like many large governments do. Lots of bureaucracy and little action. |
Prince Kobol
1195
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:To be fair, CCP did say that some things will be landing in the summer. Probably more structures with even more HP and addidition timers Maybe they are new industrial outposts :swoon:
CCP to make industry in null sec some what worth while, now that is just crazy talk. |
Prince Kobol
1195
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:54:00 -
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Ezekiel Ironstone wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Lol.. people from all sides have been saying how bad Sov is since the release of Dominion.
Many people from all sides have posted long and in depth idea's on how Sov could be improved over the years.
I am no way even in the tiniest bit surprised that by this announcement by CCP.
My faith in CCP to do anything regarding Null Sec, whether it be Sov Mechanics, Industry or isk making opportunities is zero.
They will talk about their future vision about having buildable gates, keep throwing out new ships and chancing a few numbers in a database rebalancing ships and call it an expansion simply to distract people from the fact that they are completely incapable of fixing the real big problems in Eve.
CCP last vision was WIS and that burned in fire.
I have no doubt that their latest vision will end the same way.
This may not be completely true, but they are going to have to do something next summer or next winter to keep that from being the perception players start to hold, I would think. Every "expansion" we've had since Incarna has been lacking in the "expansion" feel. Ship balancing, shinies, etc, and when the dev blogs come out, along with other dev commentary, their wording of things really makes it sound like they did these changes in a couple of days. CCP is starting to come across like many large governments do. Lots of bureaucracy and little action.
Many people here who are parents do what CCP are doing now and have been for the last year or so.
Dangling shiny new things to keep their kids distracted for just enough time for them to forgot about thing what they were crying about. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:00:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Its cute that anyone thinks it'll be fixed next Winter. As long as players keep subscribing on that false hope, then marketing will keep spinning out new, future (potential) deadlines. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1563
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:07:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: Actually they won't do this because it would ruin Null Sec. Why even join a player run corp if you can just roam Null solo, hoping to find moon minerals in asteroids? The point of Sovereignty is to reward those with the power and drive to take, not to make it so you can get rich without leaving the NPC corps. Sov is screwed up, yes, but your desire for an anti-social EvE is far worse.
ahh here we go, same old dullsec cartel excuses ... so predictable and here I thought the point of a video game was challenge and fun... silly me
Indeed.
Xavier, and the rest of the null sec cartel apologists and propagandists don't want null sec fixed. What they want are the mechanisms minimized that constrain their ability to control even more of the space and economy of Eve than they do now.
For the cartel leadership, it is not about "fixing" null sec for everyone. It is about altering the game to solidify and increase the income streams for that leadership.
If my solution was implemented, yeah, the cartels would be hurt, and hurt badly. But the huge swaths of empty null sec would go the way of the dodo, as oh so many miners and protection squads for the miners would be spread out across all of null, knowing that a futile death was no longer a certainty, and fortunes can be made if one is brave and lucky. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2691
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:08:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Sentamon wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: I think that covers all of it.
Way to prove him right with your irrational rage. Results, as always, say more then a million words of bull****. Yup. CCP could easily shake up null by simply (and it is really, really simple coding), but setting all the static variables that define moon goo output to zero, adding moon goo to the ABC rocks (they proved how easy that was when they added veld etc to the ABC's), and then randomizing the location of all ABC belts across all space, in 0.2 space and lower. A belt gets mined out, it pops up anywhere in null, wh space, and deep low sec. And if not mined out, the standard 3 or 4 day anom rule applies. Suddenly, renting systems becomes a lot less lucrative, and passive moon mining is gone. Null sec cartels suddenly can no longer control output, as it is now in the hands of the individual players. And when that happens, all this crap about sov suddenly vanishes as well, because why fight for sov when the benefits are so transitory and random? But no, CCP won't do this, because both they and the cartel leadership have vested interests not to see the cartels stripped of their power. This solution is amazing in its complete inability to address any of the problems with the existing sov system. It solves the GrrGoons problem though, which is all that Dinsdale cares about. CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2691
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:09:00 -
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hey guys if we make nullsec completely worthless the goons will all go away and play something else and eve will be saved CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1401
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:To be fair, CCP did say that some things will be landing in the summer.
With CCP's current track record, the only balance that nullsec has been getting have been "Wouldn't it be cool if..." changes, which have not had a large enough impact, or the wrong type of impact, to shake things up.
If they are going to make an effective change to nullsec, it's going to have to be done similar to the way they did Crimewatch, or Bounty Hunting, or Faction Warfare, or hacking, where the whole system is redesigned from the ground up. Any other attempt has proven to be simply a waste of time and developer resources. |
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