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Mystif
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Posted - 2003.09.05 01:40:00 -
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I've only been playing this game for nearly 2 weeks and in the last few days i've noticed a trend with some players hanging around space stations. They hang around and threaten anyone who enters or leaves a station. At first i couldn't figure out why this was happening and just ignored it, but tonight i found out why. They wait for any n00bs to think they are going to be fired on and without thinking the n00b fires at them. Not realising by doing this the n00b gets his ship blown up by the police. Then the lamers steal the cargo thats left floating in space.
This didn't happen to me but it did happen to a mate who's been playing for less than a week. Not only did he lose the ship he had saved hard for but he lost some expensive equipment i had lent him to help him along.
This tactic sucks big time. So please whoever thinks this is a cool thing to do, will you stop it now!!!
Sorry if this has been discussed before in this forum, but i'm kinda mad with these lamers trying to spoil a very nice game for others. If everyone ignores these idiots then they will only get bored with it and do something more useful. Like playing another game!!!
Sorry for the rant "I Ping,Therefore I Am" |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.05 01:46:00 -
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Quote: They wait for any n00bs to think they are going to be fired on and without thinking the n00b fires at them. Not realising by doing this the n00b gets his ship blown up by the police. Then the lamers steal the cargo thats left floating in space.
It's up to new players to understand the basic rules of engagement. This information is readily available to anyone and anyone who dies due to ignorance of the rules has only themselves to blame.
Besides, if these are newbies then the loot they carry wouldn't even be worth the cargo space, let alone the time to steal - if these players are doing this on purpose, it's obviously just a grief move.
Veruna Caseti Ishukone |
Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.09.05 04:34:00 -
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In the first few weeks of retail there was this noob in an ibis that fired at my bestower in safe space... No idea why someone would do that, especially since he didn't even take down half my shields before the police took care of him. The point is, mistakes like that can't be stopped... ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
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nono
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Posted - 2003.09.05 04:35:00 -
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Quote: They wait for any n00bs to think they are going to be fired on and without thinking the n00b fires at them. Not realising by doing this the n00b gets his ship blown up by the police. Then the lamers steal the cargo thats left floating in space.
It's up to new players to understand the basic rules of engagement. This information is readily available to anyone and anyone who dies due to ignorance of the rules has only themselves to blame.
Besides, if these are newbies then the loot they carry wouldn't even be worth the cargo space, let alone the time to steal - if these players are doing this on purpose, it's obviously just a grief move.
*RULES? Any idea how a newb knows where to find these rules? Most load and play the game, not hunt down a forum question and answer page. Or they look in the game box for the rules and actions of the game.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.09.05 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: SISQO on 05/09/2003 04:52:07 The blame is not to lie on players, but on CCP for not clearly stating these facts in the CRAPPY TUTORIAL. It is completely USELESS. Not to mention the game manual that comes with the game is EXTREMELY OUTDATED.
To be constructive, heres my advice, give the noob tutorial an overhaul. Put in size 2,000 font, in bold that if they venture below 0.5 security space they are entering space where MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, so we have less whining threads I got killed for no reasons whaa whaa. Also in size 2,000 font and bold that yellow means POSSIBLE threat, orange means they have you locked, and red means they are firing on you.
Clearly state that yellow can be ignored, or locked on depending on their choice. Orange means lock them back, but hold fire in high security space, and red means fire back!
Until CCP does this, it is entirely their fault and not the players. Until then, this is a LEGITIMATE tactic, no matter how low. The problem is uninformed noobies, which could have been easily avoided and resolved if it was explained in a better tutorial..
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.05 05:06:00 -
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Quote: Most load and play the game, not hunt down a forum question and answer page.
Exactly! People who are too lazy to take the extra 10 minutes to read up on these issues deserve to pay the consequences. Period.
Quote: Not to mention the game manual that comes with the game is EXTREMELY OUTDATED.
Welcome to the world of online gaming. Ever looked at the original manual that came with EverQuest? It might as well be for a different game.
You can't expect a document drawn up months before commercial release to be up to date with a product that changes daily.
Quote: The problem is uninformed noobies, which could have been easily avoided and resolved if it was explained in a better tutorial..
Or if the newbies weren't too damn lazy to do some research and ask some questions.
Why does CCP have to hold their hands?
Either take the time to read about it, or learn your lesson by losing a ship or two.
No point wasting time improving the tutorial in my opinion.
Veruna Caseti Ishukone |
SISQO
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Posted - 2003.09.05 05:20:00 -
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1) There are ALWAYS people to lazy to open their freaking eyes and look around. As much as I want them dead. They help pay for CCP's expenses so I want them around.
2) It would reduce a great deal of the posts that have noobs calling people exploiters for locking on them and tricking them to fire back and getting owned by concord. It would reduce posts that have noobs crying I was minding my own business in 0.0 and some guy killed me for no reason, subscription canceled blah blah.
3) We can officially insult them and call them dumb****s, and dumbasses should they miss that information on the tutorial.
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Lansing
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Posted - 2003.09.05 05:22:00 -
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Quote: Most load and play the game, not hunt down a forum question and answer page.
Exactly! People who are too lazy to take the extra 10 minutes to read up on these issues deserve to pay the consequences. Period.
Quote: Not to mention the game manual that comes with the game is EXTREMELY OUTDATED.
Welcome to the world of online gaming. Ever looked at the original manual that came with EverQuest? It might as well be for a different game.
You can't expect a document drawn up months before commercial release to be up to date with a product that changes daily.
Quote: The problem is uninformed noobies, which could have been easily avoided and resolved if it was explained in a better tutorial..
Or if the newbies weren't too damn lazy to do some research and ask some questions.
Why does CCP have to hold their hands?
Either take the time to read about it, or learn your lesson by losing a ship or two.
No point wasting time improving the tutorial in my opinion.
Where's Jash. He could reply to this better then I could ever dream of.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.09.05 06:38:00 -
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You tell ShockAndAwe he better have another character for .4 space and below!
Convert Stations
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.05 06:45:00 -
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Point is in a game that is complex, open-ended and ever-changing you can't expect every piece of information to be conveyed through the manual or tutorial.
Online gaming is an established genre, and as such people are perfectly familiar with the process through which information about these games is obtained - anybody who expects the manual to teach them anything but the basics is misguided; anyone who wants the tutorial to show them everything there is to learn is lazy.
Fact is you propose a complex solution to a problem which doesn't need solving.
I was new to the game just about 10 days ago, I read about security ratings and understood that I couldn't just enter the game and start firing on the first ship I saw (though even without reading about security ratings I would have assumed this, being halfway intelligent). It took me in the vicinity of 10 minutes to learn this.
Basically, you have two options: spend time in the beginning slowly learning the game, or later making up for your mistakes because you were too lazy to learn about the rules and regulations ahead of time. If you can't spare the 20 minutes, then you can spare an Ibis or two.
Veruna Caseti Ishukone |
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.09.05 07:53:00 -
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join a corp. with some vets. and ask some friggen questions.
sphere industries is a small corp. of veteran players. we are minmatar. join us.
p.s. If you are an alt. I will know. hehe
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Mystif
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Posted - 2003.09.05 08:07:00 -
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I think some of you peeps are missing the point a little here. Fair enough that newbies have to learn and sometimes learn the hard way. What really worries me is the fact that there are seemingly players within EVE who don't really want to play the game at all, all they are interested in is spoiling the game for other people.
I've been playing online games for 4 years and have seen this kind of thing time and time again. I just find it a little sad that my first subscription game also has this lame element in it, and nothing seemingly can be done about it.
"I Ping,Therefore I Am" |
Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.05 08:28:00 -
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It is true individuals need to learn of things one way or another, but there should be formal information inside of the game available on what actions will be considered illegal or have great consequences. The requirement of a player to exit the software application and go find information on a forum should not be the answer.
I would like to see a law book of sorts for each area of space which would list what actions are considered æwrongÆ and will bring in the local peace enforcements or cause automated defense systems to activate.
I also think there should be a way to help out new players who may misunderstand certain situations by cleaning up areas with quicker resolve. For instance, one system I visited had many abandoned ships floating around the stations all belonging to a single player, Pootie I think. This player had a negative security rating and a bounty on head so when someone looked up the player through the ship information, there was a big æWantedÆ sign on his picture. Now to a new player, this just screams shoot the ship and claim the reward. It was sad as I played on and watched the sentry cannons take out those individuals who fell for the trap. I liken it to watching a bug zapper.
The really sad part is there was no method to remove the ships and it took two (2) days for them to finally disappear.
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Mirvnillith
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Posted - 2003.09.05 08:53:00 -
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Why not just add another of those "Do ya really wanna?" dialogs which can be dismissed forever? Set it to trigger when attempting to fire on a player not firing at you and any first-timers should get the message (?).
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Ranandor
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Posted - 2003.09.05 08:53:00 -
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lol
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.09.05 10:13:00 -
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"Point is in a game that is complex, open-ended and ever-changing you can't expect every piece of information to be conveyed through the manual or tutorial"
WHY THE HELL NOT?
Quit making excuses for CCP's failures already!
This is the age of the information super highway is it not?
I would think an online manual could be updated after every patch. CCP is just too damn lazy.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.05 10:52:00 -
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The blame is not to lie on players, but on CCP for not clearly stating these facts in the CRAPPY TUTORIAL. It is completely USELESS. Not to mention the game manual that comes with the game is EXTREMELY OUTDATED.
OMG, how the tables turn. An inexperience noob loses his ship and it all down to CCP. Just get a grip!!!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:21:00 -
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When you log onto this game their is an option, before you choose char. to look at the patch review notes.
If someone has read the manual and looks at the notes, I believe they have all the information they should need. Now those notes could be in a more user friendly format, but they are there. If a new player doesn't bother to read them, that is because he wants to learn by experience rather than from a "manual". In which case a nice, glossy, on-line manual would not make any difference.
Anyone who dies by reason of this kind of ignorance brings it on him or herself. However, since many of them (who do die from ignorance) are stupid, they will still whine.
The only cure for stupidity, is death.
SM
And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:39:00 -
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Quote: Quit making excuses for CCP's failures already!
I'll quit making excuses for CCP if you quit making excuses for lazy, ignorant, trigger-happy newbies crying to their mothers after CONCORD blasts their Ibis into aluminum foil for use in keeping their ultra-futuristic-meatball hoagies warm and appetizing.
Veruna Caseti Ishukone |
Lubinski
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Posted - 2003.09.05 13:33:00 -
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really? a noob using tactics? bout time they do something.. ~ FLAME AWAY TROLLS ~ |
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