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Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:54:00 -
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Aglais wrote:I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks.
I have to agree. I have no problem with gender sliders in games (Dark Souls, Saints Row, etc); it's nothing new. But I don't see a reason to waste development time on it if it's not already in the game. It's very much "and the kitchen sink of political correctness" which we don't need.
Besides, maybe genolution is just bigoted and only provides male and female clone technology in order to homogenize the universe. History has seen stranger things. Not a forum alt.-á |
Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:57:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Aglais wrote:I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks. I have to agree. I have no problem with gender sliders in games (Dark Souls, Saints Row, etc); it's nothing new. But I don't see a reason to waste development time on it if it's not already in the game. It's very much "and the kitchen sink of political correctness" which we don't need. Besides, maybe genolution is just bigoted and only provides male and female clone technology in order to homogenize the universe. History has seen stranger things.
Now now...did I say anywhere that this should be on top of CCPs development list? I made this thread to see what people thought about the idea. And considering that CCP announced a few months back that their "Team Avatar" was gonna get assembled again and work on new features, why not bring this up? If the whole avatar and Space Sims thing is gonna be rethought and partially redone anyways, why not add this? I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
Lilliana Stelles
990
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:06:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:Aglais wrote:I would vastly prefer if Social Justice bait was not forcefully injected into EVE, thanks. I have to agree. I have no problem with gender sliders in games (Dark Souls, Saints Row, etc); it's nothing new. But I don't see a reason to waste development time on it if it's not already in the game. It's very much "and the kitchen sink of political correctness" which we don't need. Besides, maybe genolution is just bigoted and only provides male and female clone technology in order to homogenize the universe. History has seen stranger things. Now now...did I say anywhere that this should be on top of CCPs development list? I made this thread to see what people thought about the idea. And considering that CCP announced a few months back that their "Team Avatar" was gonna get assembled again and work on new features, why not bring this up? If the whole avatar and Space Sims thing is gonna be rethought and partially redone anyways, why not add this?
Team avatar was assembled specifically to work on gameplay related to avatars, not necessarily for vanity/character design features. Which, if you followed the thread in GD, was pushed back for at least a few years.
As I understand it, the big difficulty presented here is the same reason we don't have cross-dressing; the clothing was never designed for it in the first places. The meshes don't mesh together correctly, and fixing it could be quite a challenge. It may seems as simple as "combining male and female attributes and clothing", but the character engine just wasn't designed with that in mind.
Personally, I want to see more of anything Incarna related, but I think it's a bit pointless to work on more customizable avatars until we can actually do something with them. I'd like to see them at least go back and finish establishments first.
I'm not against this idea. I just feel it should be fairly low-priority. (Then again, CCP has shown their ability to work on "impossible, low priority" projects, when they released missile launcher models on quite a few ships that didn't even have graphical hardpoints at the time. Not a forum alt.-á |
Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:12:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:
Team avatar was assembled specifically to work on gameplay related to avatars, not necessarily for vanity/character design features. Which, if you followed the thread in GD, was pushed back for at least a few years.
As I understand it, the big difficulty presented here is the same reason we don't have cross-dressing; the clothing was never designed for it in the first places. The meshes don't mesh together correctly, and fixing it could be quite a challenge. It may seems as simple as "combining male and female attributes and clothing", but the character engine just wasn't designed with that in mind.
Personally, I want to see more of anything Incarna related, but I think it's a bit pointless to work on more customizable avatars until we can actually do something with them. I'd like to see them at least go back and finish establishments first.
I'm not against this idea. I just feel it should be fairly low-priority. (Then again, CCP has shown their ability to work on "impossible, low priority" projects, when they released missile launcher models on quite a few ships that didn't even have graphical hardpoints at the time.
Ah okay...I didn't read about the being pushed back but it should have made sense, considering they just spent a year or so on balancing and want to boost exploration in the next 2 (3) patches now (which I welcome tbh :p)
Though I don't think this changes my point. I'd still like to see this. I have to agree with you though, actually having something to do with your avatars would be a good first step ;) Something that could be implemented very easily IMO was gender changes because let's face it, clones are being made from biomass and your conscious is downloaded into a bunch of biomass. Shouldn't matter what that looks like.
I hope that some dev at least skimmed through this, silently lurkung in the shadows. I'm not demanding this change in the next patch. But I mean if we're gonna see more Incarna stuff in 1-2 years, that would actually be a pretty good timetable to add more genders as well. I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
526
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:53:00 -
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Ok are you asking for a YY model? Because that's going to give you a pile of goop as you lack the proper DNA to generate well anything at that point that can be considered alive much less human. Seriously genetics does not work that way. You are going to be making a computer program with all 1s. Youll get something but it isnt good.
Now do you mean trans? Because if so then one the person is probably going to make their body correct on the first time and 2 trans has a heavy causation in the amylgalda. Meaning if you shove a male brain scan into a female clone, you are going to get a nutcase as everything is wrong. A trans has a wrong body in relationship to their brain structures (subject to change when science lets us tweak those brain structures to match genetic code) Heck Iran recognizes this and pays on the government dime for sex correction therapy.
No do you mean a nonbinary bit? Because that is really stupid and no cases have been found in history. You have intersex yes (which based on horrible fan things the Matar have a number of apparently) But you do some digging on them and they will choose one set of genitals as correct.
You can try androgynous or bishies, but again they identify as one of the 2. Heck even if you tweaked the brain chemistry to be right on the line of male and female it will be lost the first time they take a drink of water and have some salt (which is needed to live!!!!)
Now you could argue that you have actually created a new race through all this, but due to the genes and neurochemistry being so far beyond human norms as to be its own phylum really, they wouldnt be able to interface with a pod. And thus you couldnt use them in EVE. And we have enough half things in the game to not need an unplayable option that cant even start the game. |
Psychoactive Stimulant
77
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:45:00 -
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This game takes place in the future. After many many years of necessity.
Evolution has surpassed the useless "TGLB" community, since it is in fact useless.
COME AT ME BRO! (or she-male or wtf ever you wierdos claim to be) |
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
39
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:10:00 -
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Seranova Farreach wrote:let us have sex changes in station or have sex bound to clone so you can die in a male clone and wake up in a female clone or what ever :P
I like that idea!
+1 Daniel Zehn Keeper of Evil Frosty |
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
39
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:12:00 -
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Heck, I just want to have naked avatars so I can love my girls even more. Daniel Zehn Keeper of Evil Frosty |
Black Apok
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
22
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:35:00 -
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Da'iel Zehn wrote:Heck, I just want to have naked avatars so I can love my girls even more. Edit: Plex for naked? *nod nod*
Agreed. We should have the option to not wear pants. IT'S DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PANTIES TO WEAR PANTS! I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
528
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:46:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Da'iel Zehn wrote:Heck, I just want to have naked avatars so I can love my girls even more. Edit: Plex for naked? *nod nod* Agreed. We should have the option to not wear pants. IT'S DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PANTIES TO WEAR PANTS! Dude, most of this playerbase thinks manscaping is some accent on scamming. Do you really need to have those that know go blind for your perviness? |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
602
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Posted - 2013.12.06 21:13:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
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Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
545
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Posted - 2013.12.06 21:29:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts. But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.
So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.
If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap. That's all. Queue the flames.
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but every transgender person I've spoken to has firmly identified as male or female. I would say that gender is binary even if sexuality is not.
I don't think we really need cross-dressing silliness in the game.
I can appreciate that some users may want to specifically sculpt a body that is in between male and female, because people transition at varying times in their lives.
But above all, this represents invested CCP resources, and the cost:benefit ratio seems quite low. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
24
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:26:00 -
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Genders are a waste of time when you reproduce through cloning and get your thrills (instead of from sex) from illegal drugs while swimming in pod fluid. So what the hell. No gender, change gender, both genders, new genders, go crazy. But consider this the bottom of the walking in station features to be implemented. First we need some actual good features for walking in station (just walking around is no use unless there is a good reason to walk around. Like some new epic administration system that allows you to walk through a 3D representation of your empire in a sort of hologram room, and refit the ship by standing next to a holographic representation of your ship that more easily portrays more information and allows for more automation and less hassle).
Batelle wrote:I don't think we really need cross-dressing silliness in the game.
An Abaddon can fit shield extenders, cross-dressing is already in the game. |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
210
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Posted - 2013.12.07 00:29:00 -
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Ronny Hugo wrote:An Abaddon can fit shield extenders, cross-dressing is already in the game.
Fitting shield extenders to an abaddon is pretty ******* dumb. Are you suggesting cross-dressers are "shield fit abaddon"- dumb? I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
375
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Posted - 2013.12.07 03:37:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:Ronny Hugo wrote:An Abaddon can fit shield extenders, cross-dressing is already in the game. Fitting shield extenders to an abaddon is pretty ******* dumb. Are you suggesting cross-dressers are "shield fit abaddon"- dumb?
I believe that wearing a miniskirt in a December blizzard is pretty dumb, but i defend their right to do so.
It was not Ronny who added that judgement on shield tanking abbadons he merely stated it could be done. the judgement was all from you Electrique Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
24
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Posted - 2013.12.07 10:33:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:Ronny Hugo wrote:An Abaddon can fit shield extenders, cross-dressing is already in the game. Fitting shield extenders to an abaddon is pretty ******* dumb. Are you suggesting cross-dressers are "shield fit abaddon"- dumb?
Your words not mine. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
588
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:25:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:To be honest, I'd rather have a picture of my ship as my avatar anyway. Bingo. Someone who actually managed to pull that "more gender options" idea instead of basically suggesting better body sculpting tools which have nothing to do with gender options. |
Vardec Crom
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
6
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:45:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts. But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.
So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.
If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap. That's all. Queue the flames.
No. It's a game, and CCP should not have to commit significant development resources to cater to the .01% of the player population that is genderqueer pansexual etc.
I don't think nearly as many would be "trans-phobic" if trans people weren't consistently seeking tyranny by the minority. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
539
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:05:00 -
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Actually they arent. Trans people want to be addressed as nothing but sir or madam as you would anybody else with the body type (post surgery obviously)
They do not occupy this mystical non binary group and more than anything want to occupy the proper body. The issue is people dont want to see something so simple for bizarre reasons. Seriously we have trans posting in this thread, ask them rather than claiming drama queen status on them. because really drama queen belongs to the people that s |
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:22:00 -
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Black Apok wrote:Honestly I'd just like to change my gender. But if we're already thinking about implementing a system that people can change the gender of their characters why not go a step further and add this?
And thanks ISD Ezwal :p I already thought that something like this would attract trolls like flies. It's just not something that a lot of people think about or even want to think about. Doesn't mean that other people won't or don't.
Also El Space Mariachi gender nor sex are binary. There are a million resources, studies and books on that subject online. Educate yourself.
Incorrect, sex is 'binary' or there are 4 types, if you include hermaphroditic and pseudo-hermaphroditic. Gender however, is very much non-binary, as is sexuality, etc.
This said, it's a shame that the GM's can't help you out with this, as I have a corp-mate who is in a similar situation. |
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
913
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Posted - 2013.12.15 04:34:00 -
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Did I mention I'd just rather have my ship as my Avatar? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Coyote Laughing
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Posted - 2013.12.15 07:29:00 -
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How about we just charge Aurum for anything bigger than an A cup ? l8r \o/ |
trader joes Ichinumi
Perkone Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:21:00 -
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Zvaarian the Red wrote:I get that this is a big deal to some people, but those people need to realize that the vast majority of EVE players (and likely designers) think in terms of a male/female dichotomy, and that the tiny minority who actually care about this probably shouldn't expect much on this front. Personally I've never played a game with any transgender character creation options, and expecting EVE to take that leap when it is virtually unheard of in the industry is unrealistic. Avatars in EVE are kind of an after-thought anyway.
Saints Row allows you to have whatever combination of male/female traits you want. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
53
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:55:00 -
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Purely cosmetic, there is no real gender in EVE online as it is a meaningless data point except to people who overly care about it. You might as well say gender is the ship you fly... and there are how many different kinds of ships?
Now, it would be nice if you could change it just as you can change your appearance, since sometimes people sell their characters... but then you can't change your name either. So take it as you will.
Besides, we all know what happened to the Jovians from their excesses in genetic alteration. |
XvXTeacherVxV
The Cult Reborn
93
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:40:00 -
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There are plenty of games that have done exactly what the OP is suggesting, so ti's not a crazy idea but I think for every trans person who made their character look trans, you'd have 100 players who made their characters look trans just for trolling sake.
This trans player would much, MUCH, rather see them fix the actual broken gameplay aspects of the game before addressing flavor stuff like this. A genderqueer avatar won't make my phoenix stop sucking. Besides, trans looking avatars won't do anything to address the communities general attitudes to trans players either, which is a substantially bigger problem if you ask me.
Sidenote: I've heard of people successfully petitioning for a gender/name change on the grounds that they're trans and made their character pre-transition but I've never tried myself so I have no idea if it's just rumor. Can we get a GM to confirm whether this is or is not possible? Can you see the rapier?: http://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
262
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:04:00 -
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Simply put, it's much easier to not take a stance on such things and leave it as simple as male/female avatars. There's no political or moral stance taken by that. As soon as they start catering to one part of the LGBT crowd, they have to cater to ALL of it, or else face all kinds of PR headaches. Nobody can accuse them of discrimination toward one group or another when all they've done is put the default options up there and left it alone, you know?
Plus, there's a lot more dev/art work involved with making it a gradient, so it's more efficient on time and resources to just work with two set models. thhief ghabmoef |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1136
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:06:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
edit: also, I think teacher has a pretty good point...we'd be seeing a lot more characters with boobs, skirts and epic moustaches/beards than actual serious trans toons.
Trans myself, and...yeah. That's exactly what's going to happen, and CCP would take even MORE flak for mocking TG people.
Plus, it's not really something most of us want to advertise, you know? Why play a "transgender" character, when I can just play a "fully female" one?
In the end, the main reason people want this option is to create hideously ugly "she-male" type avatars for the lolz. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
XvXTeacherVxV
The Cult Reborn
93
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:01:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Plus, it's not really something most of us want to advertise, you know? Why play a "transgender" character, when I can just play a "fully female" one?
"I"m trans, ask me about it." - In no trans player's EVE profile, ever. Can you see the rapier?: http://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
638
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:49:00 -
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Vizvig wrote:As further development of though:
why i cant select religion of charecter? And also i can select how strong religion in he. Add quadrangle with labels Islam/Christianity/buddhism/Judaism about its vertices, and via red dot i can select % religiosity in each religion and absolute value via slider near quadrangle.
Don't forget the church of BOB! All Hail BOB There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Caleigh Lockhart
Athena Foundation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.24 16:10:00 -
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XvXTeacherVxV wrote: Sidenote: I've heard of people successfully petitioning for a gender/name change on the grounds that they're trans and made their character pre-transition but I've never tried myself so I have no idea if it's just rumor. Can we get a GM to confirm whether this is or is not possible?
If you know of someone who has successfully done this, please let me know.
I submitted a support ticket for this very reason, and the GM told me "we don't offer gender or name changes" and then suggested I sell my old male character (Caldari Civire with 23 million skill points) and either start over, or buy a female one of equivalent SP.
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