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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2021
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Posted - 2013.12.12 17:12:00 -
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Tweek Etimua wrote:As a religious person I'd like to say that I don't think that CCP meant that all religions cause problems or do stupid things (although some have, can and do). They meant that the Amar's does.
Secondly Posting why your leaving is just asking for trolls. Eve is harsh...so are it's forums. I wouldn't expect any thing other than troll posts and mocking words. When I first joined EVE, my impression of the Amarr religion thing was, "This reminds me of the kind of thing I've heard young Euro guys say: 'Religion is for ignorant superstitious sheep. It's an huge annoyance, somewhat dangerous, and more or less the enemy of intelligent rational thinking." I still kind of more or less think that's the idea behind the Amarr.
As for the lore itself, after reading quite a few discussions in the EVE Fiction thread, I don't think the Amarr religion is based on the Christian church exactly. It seems like it borrows elements from all of the monotheist religions that came out of the Middle East. Not the doctrines per se. But the history of the various churches' institutions, and the wording of scriptures in verse. The main thing is it's rigid, authoritarian, and fundamentalist, the way any of the three religions have been at some point in their histories. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1015
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Posted - 2013.12.15 06:46:00 -
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I really feel the need to bring my Orange Catholic Bible after reading the nonsense this OP has managed to spew here.
I really really , if ever, never take a solid stance on anything in these forums, but honestly, reading your so biased opinions, besides being trollbait (no one,absolutely no one in their right state of mind would believe an inch of whatever you just wrote) I must stand clearly on the fence of people that would enjoy seeing you go to greener pastures.
Not only is your point logical reductionism at best (by pointing the sacrosanct religion bigotry causality and trying to deconstruct it in lies masquerading as truth as they "seem" to be printed in game as an excuse to defile the "proper" roundabouts of a Theological Construct of Pristine Quality, which I highly HIGHLY doubt was your original intent because of the way you put it out) but at worst it is simply an ages old one-sided argument, where every single thing anyone can say to you is irreversible deflected in the "purity" of your resolute idea, standpoint and or self-created moral high-ground, bent on ... no, EAGER and savoring any kind of answer you can get from all of us to wallow in your imaginary battlefield as you ring Triumphant not only over us but your very own Sacred Totem, Holy Symbol or Primordial god/demon of Preadamite Origin, feeling right as you read and reread the answers that satisfy your imaginary points in your totally isolationist consciousness.
If you are a troll you have succeeded in one thing, and one thing only, forcing me to think why I even bother to reply to some threads like this one, which I attribute to boredom, and if you are not, not only is your own idea of reality as portrayed in this thread warped beyond cognitive standards of "normalcy" for these forums, but you are just reinforcing your own points sated by the sheer act of people trying to coherently answer you and just letting this thread go into a regular farewell thread, something I perceive is not your original intent behind this bizarre experiment of yours.
A simple tip "friend", don-¦t look in here, nor anywhere else for that you are looking for.
Not only you will not get it, your own rapaciousness will simply increase the ever hungry maw of your own psyche.
Peace upon you, and may the demons that accost you be quelled.
o/
PD: And if you are just gathering data, you started with the wrong foot. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3064
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Posted - 2013.12.15 14:47:00 -
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I would like to point out that the skill plateau you're looking for is there.
It's in the fact every skill in the game tops out at level 5.
Also what should be noted is that SP =/= capability. One of the highest SP characters in the game has all of his skills into science, industry, and trading. He can barely fly a cruiser let alone a battleship yet he has more SP than 99% of us.
The new player friendly alliances you're looking for are CVA and EVE University. To my knowledge CVA is still kickin in the providence region of nullsec for all players to enjoy living in. They run themselves like a player-owned CONCORD for the region.
As for the slavery discussion I have come to realize that their reasons for doing so are more spiritual. Yes there is certainly the corrupt within the Amarr that use it as a means of subjugation and love beating their slaves and treating them worse then dogs. But I have come to realize that the harvest they do by hand is purposeful for humility. Even the Amarr themselves do it, they don't just send the slaves out there alone for the sake of the profit.
I suggest reading all 3 of the books that they have as part of the EVE lore.
But yes, gang wars/fights pretty well describes how the players interact on a large scale. There is no reason to do otherwise really. The honest ones inevitably get beat up by the larger guys. The only reason why CVA stays around is cause many consider the Providence region to be relatively worthless.
But yeah, you really do suck at socializing. Antagonizing the community really isn't the best way to make friends and the forums have a particular concentration of people that are of the type to call you out on these things. Perhaps visit the New Player Q&A area once in a while. We're pretty much all hugs and rainbows up there.
Maybe take a break from EVE, read a pile of the lore that you have access to with or without an active account, and then jump back in if you find the need to be part of something greater than yourself still compels you to do so.
Also, newbs certainly can be effective in combat at an early age, assuming they have a good FC that has taught them well on the ways of combat mechanics and tactics. At first you'll be just a paper ship with a tackle fit. You'll die often but still be marked as being on the kills. AS you get better skills and your find your niche you can start getting more into a DPS role where you'll contribute more...or better yet, you could go for a ewar or logi route.
Specially since they added the T1 logi in retribution you can start trying this out as a young age instead of having to spend a year getting the T2 logi skills up and getting the logi skill itself to 5. How an inquisitor with a few weeks training can be pretty damn effective for a small frigate group. The Drake is a Lie |
Adunh Slavy
1297
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:33:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote: Saying a futuristic society with the alleged technological capabilities of the societies in game would engage in human slavery is as stupid as saying....
...that states don't have the ability to hide slavery in the devices of monetary and fiscal policy, regulation and taxation.
The best kept slave is one who does not see his own chains. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Boomhaur
158
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Posted - 2013.12.15 23:56:00 -
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Well played Samael you seem to have reached the rank of Forum Trolling rank IV. And if you weren't trolling I truely do feel sorry for you as it seems you are not able to accept others (and games, etc) if they do not fit your belief. But just in case your not trolling read on.
It is better to approach things with an open mind and just try to enjoy life. Yes it has slavery and a whole bunch of other stuff. But so does just about every civilization known to man. The world isn't nice, neither is Eve.
Samael Pserad wrote: Atheists don't have one specific ideology - they simply deny the existence of a deity. I evaluated the four presented races and the Amarr was the only thing that remotely resembled anything I believe in. The only people I've met in life who've had any regard for me as a human being were religious people, Muslim or Christian, so I picked Amarr.
Friendly suggestion, get out of that mindset. A lot of people I know who are in the medical field are atheist and will treat every patient like family and while they are under they care they act that way and will go above and beyond what is just required to do for their job.
Another food for thought, I know a LOT of atheists who follow their own moral code and by doing so actually follow what the Bible or various other religions set out to try to teach their followers. But on the other hand I know an equal amount of very religious people who preach their religion day in and day out but have little morals and won't do what they preach. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
687
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Posted - 2013.12.16 05:43:00 -
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Quote:No matter what I do, my character will always be 10 years behind every other character.
Every character, you say? AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
690
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Posted - 2013.12.17 09:41:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:1. CCP's bigotry against religion. I'm an atheist, but a society as advanced technologically as Amarr would recognize that humans are an incredibly inefficient energy investment to perform work when technology and energy sources far beyond the first world are available. A human being puts out about 80 watts sustained power for external at the investment of about 1200 Watts for the sustaining of life. That's an efficiency of less than 10%. Because there's no reasonable reason to believe advanced technological societies would ever consider slavery, Correction: there's no reasonable reason to believe advanced technological societies would ever consider slavery for the purpose of work efficiency. Amarr doesn't enslave to get the work done, they enslave out of a belief that everyone belongs in a certain place in society, and they purposely give up efficiency to put everyone where they 'belong'. It is a core Amarrian belief that every race is worthy of redemption, but the most wayward of them must work hard for it. The Matari are forced to work harsh and unnecessary labor by the Amarrians because it is the Matari who fight back the hardest against their treatment.
And the reason they don't run to the Caldari is because they would go from hard-working, beaten, and well-fed to poor and spat upon. It's a lot easier to either organize resistance groups or just give in and start worshipping the Goddess. This is why there are Minmatar and Ammatar. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
3062
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Posted - 2013.12.17 13:41:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:Samael Pserad wrote: Atheists don't have one specific ideology - they simply deny the existence of a deity. I evaluated the four presented races and the Amarr was the only thing that remotely resembled anything I believe in. The only people I've met in life who've had any regard for me as a human being were religious people, Muslim or Christian, so I picked Amarr.
Friendly suggestion, get out of that mindset. A lot of people I know who are in the medical field are atheist and will treat every patient like family and while they are under they care they act that way and will go above and beyond what is just required to do for their job. Another food for thought, I know a LOT of atheists who follow their own moral code and by doing so actually follow what the Bible or various other religions set out to try to teach their followers. But on the other hand I know an equal amount of very religious people who preach their religion day in and day out but have little morals and won't do what they preach.
Here is a friendly suggestion of my own; while it is true that most personnel in the medical field do care for their patients and may even put themselves at great risk for their patients but to claim that doctors care for their patients like they were family is anecdotal because there is no such evidence.
This is nonsense, as the Bible contains contradicting passages about morality and so to claim that you "know a lot of atheists" that follow the moral code of the Bible is nothing but idiotic rambling from you at this point. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
691
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:58:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:I know a LOT of atheists who follow their own moral code and by doing so actually follow what the Bible or various other religions set out to try to teach their followers. As an atheist, I find it insulting that you would compare my morality with one of the most violent, contradictive, and subjugating religions in the history of our species. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Auric Varangian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.12.20 13:46:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:you're pretty peeved about the slavery thing, huh?
I guess that saying "it's just a video game" won't help in this situation, hmm? Not so much that so much as I am forced to chose among four races which I hate and have little to no redeeming qualities and the most appealing to me happens to be the one that most players are against because CCP decided to play on the pop culture myth that religion inherently causes slavery. Of course it's just a game - but there's plenty of people who will make your game experience extra miserable for choosing Amarr. Additionally, the subtext is, quite simply, that Abrahamic monotheism is to blame for slavery which simply doesn't hold water historically. It's a popular atheistic straw-man argument based on an appeal to consequences fallacy arguing against religion. Like all hate groups - it attributes to a large group of people responsibility for some evil. But, yes, I studied religion in college, among other things, and I think it's a tremendously stupid and childish argument to attribute to religion, rather than the human capacity for evil and economic reality, the existence of slavery. I don't patronize TV shows that portray blacks as stupid and/or bafoonish and/or criminal. I don't patronize film or movies that portray gays as serial killers and/or child molesters. I don't patronize video games that portray women as stupid, weak and childish. Why should I make an exception for CCP's decision to portray monotheistic religion as a sock-puppet of medieval Europe?
I think you should unsub, this game isn't for you. As simple as that. Why you bothered to start in EVE is a riddle, since you don't like anything with it. Oh well, bye bye. |
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claire xxx
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:21:00 -
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In the immortal words of Bill Murray (movie; Stripes,) "... lighten up Francis."
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DJ Auger
Eve Radio Corporation
6
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:01:00 -
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This all sounds pretty familiar...oh wait! You already made one of these threads!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3960728#post3960728
Good read. Thanks for the material. Leaving based on lore is kinda silly, but hey, there IS an rp community in this game if that is how you want to play. In the real world side of Eve (which, oh by the way, is all of it) there is something we like to call the "metagame" where the roleplaying element of the game is dictated by the actions we as players take within and outside the game.
This is a great example. I do a segment on my show (see signature for details) where I feature dramatic readings of people quitting the game, and my take on the fallacy within. This will be the first time that I get to use someone's rant twice in back-to-back weeks so thank you for making my job nice and easy.
The part that I contribute to the lore of Eve is as a radio host, on this toon at least, as I believe we create our own lore. The story we create as players is the best kind of story a game can ask for. It's not preexistent, on-rails storytelling, it's more modular than that. WE decide how the story plays out, and that's why we, as a whole, find stories like the Battle of Asaki or the Somer Blink controversy immensely more interesting than any "live event" that the devs put on, for better or worse.
In short, thanks for the read, and I hope that you can see the self-inflicted satire in your original post and laugh about it in the future. I'd ask for your stuff but many people already have. In both of your ragequit threads. Broadcasting live 24/7 across New Eden for the last ten years. www.eve-radio.com |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4571
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:15:00 -
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shamless plug there, auger. |
Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
38
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Posted - 2013.12.21 17:53:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote: 1. But the implication CCP is making is clear: religion, particularly Christianity = slavery. Therefore, Martin Luther King Jr. was an advocate of slavery, as was Harriet Beecher Stowe or Levi Coffin...
2. No, it just makes it unappealing to play because there's no plateau which means that your character will always be inferior to a vast majority of other players. People play games because they like mobility - there's no mobility with a system that gives extreme advantages to people who have played for ten years and no real hope for newer players to catch up.
3. Yep, I suppose I just suck at socializing. The massive amount of hostile comments on the message boards is clearly indicative of the amount of douchebags in game and the fact that a large portion of new players just hang out in high sec because they don't really have a choice to go anywhere else because it's oh so fun PvP to gank T1 frigates in your squad of T2 cruisers or whatever. Realistic would be that there were some alliances with codes of honor or something along those lines. I.E. - you're free to roam their null space until you commit hostile acts or something. As it is, just shooting anything neutral that gets near you is just lame.
4. I'm not.
5. I don't know what you mean. I sat there and looked at how long it would take to be particularly effective in combat and I thought: "do I really want to spend the next year just running data and combat sites or mining while dodging everything and never getting the satisfaction of payback?" And, I arrived at the conclusion, no, I really don't.
1. I don't feel like arguing about lore.
2. There is a plateau, there are lots of plateaus in fact, you can get almost perfect in specific areas within a few months due to the simple fact that you cannot go past level 5 on your skills, a 6 moth player duelling a 10 year player in T1 frigs could have identical skills that matter for example.
3. I don't know how you expect us to be nice to you when you run to the forums and make a massive rant post about how we're all bigoted douchebags... so yes if that's how you socialize you're ******* awful at it.
4. I am, I don't feel behind at all, not even 2 years in and in terms of combat skills I don't feel behind at all.
5. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17760057https://zkillboard.com/detail/27757282/ (other person on killmail was damage done before he docked and undocked again) and https://zkillboard.com/detail/32665609/ (same story, also that incursus was fitted for 3 mill isk)... So tell me again how isk and skillpoints will make you win every single time and counters are irrelevant.
Also can I has your stuff? |
DJ Auger
Eve Radio Corporation
6
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:03:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:shamless plug there, auger.
Uh, yes? I lost my shame years ago. Broadcasting live 24/7 across New Eden for the last ten years. www.eve-radio.com |
Vedor Teo
House of Nim-Lhach Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers
2
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:56:00 -
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Can I have your ISK, as you leave? |
Frank Millar
435
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:39:00 -
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Holy necro, batman!
Vedor Teo wrote:Can I have your ISK, as you leave? You're a bit late to the party, aren't you? |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
105121
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:52:00 -
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Brave Newbie says it all.
Did not read xD
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4297
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Posted - 2014.02.12 02:33:00 -
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There's more to the system of slavery in Amarr than labor. That's one of the major issues with them.
The point of Amarrian slavery is that when you have a "system" of exploitation or some other horrid scheme, people get used to it. For example, we see today how bad slavery is but wonder how people could have tolerated it then and canonize John Brown and his armed abolitionist insurrection. But notice how abortion has the same debate but anybody who bombs a clinic is the devil incarnate now just as John Brown was then.
Why is one bad and the other good? And by the same people who say the other is bad? They lack an understanding of "systems" and see the action as naked without it, thinking "how could this be" and failing too see how casually low and without awareness the human race could go.
That's "the system" and if you want to understand the system, you have to understand what people get used to, and this was a very large point of Gerry Spence's book "Give Me Liberty" where he explores how the people who wrote the Bill of Rights could also be slave owners.
So understand that, and you understand the Amarr and how the people who invented faster than light travel can still have slaves.
Now when it comes to the empires and their technology, CCP did their homework. Note how the tracking systems are? Ladar, Magnetometric, radar, etc? The ships are designed around this. Someone sat down and wondered how the reflectors and transmitters for such systems would look. So when it comes to the societies, their technologies, and how they act, they did their homework and the Amarr and their slavery is no accident. |
Sibyyl
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.12 05:38:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:1. CCP's bigotry against religion.
[snip]
Saying a futuristic society with the alleged technological capabilities of the societies in game would engage in human slavery is as stupid as saying the Caldari plow their fields with oxen. Specious argument. Doesn't check out when you think about it.
The decision to have slaves is dogmatic. Why are you insisting that all dogmatic decisions are automagically economically and logistically viable? It doesn't make any economic sense to commit genocide on a segment of people with strong cultural and financial contributions to society, but history has plenty of examples of it.
In terms of cows ploughing fields when warp technology is easily available, Joss Whedon's Firefly had an excellent argument for it: simply because there's wealth doesn't imply all people on all remote planets get to bathe in it. Inequality is going to be alive and well in the future, and so you'll always have cows and primitive instruments for people to make do with.
Quote:2. No matter what I do, my character will always be 10 years behind every other character. This is an absolute fail I'm new to the game but: you are not your skills. Not being able to compete with veterans is a personal problem, not a game design issue.
Quote:3. Unfriendly players. Unbelievable number of friendly players in the game. Doesn't mean there aren't people out there who'll jack your stuff. So what? Go get more stuff.
Quote:This game isn't fun for new players It's been fun for me, but my definition of fun is not the same as another person's definition.
You should play. It's a fun game.
/Fÿ¡ |
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
943
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Posted - 2014.02.12 08:28:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:Alpheias wrote:First and can I have your stuff? If you were capable of reading, I already addressed the fact that several billion in ISK has been turned over to someone.
Can we have his stuff then? Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
943
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Posted - 2014.02.12 09:06:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I kind of agree against the backstory's bias against religion. The only religious group in the game are set up to be bigoted slaver hypocrites.
There are still the blood raiders, at least they're honest about what they do and why. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Aimy Maulerant
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
7
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Posted - 2014.02.12 11:15:00 -
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been playing for 4 months now and love the game, religion? why is religion being brought into the equation on a game why cant you ignore it instead of making an issue out of something which actually sounds pathetic, typical religious orientated people always trying to make a scene and get attention.
as ive been playing for 4 months and i have lost near 100 ships to players who have been playing for 5-10 years but it never bothered me the way i see it is you learn to fight the biggest players making you better at the game in the long run, an experienced person is someone who has made alot of mistakes, i have made alot of mistakes in my time in lowsec and null and have learned alot from it so everytime i fight someone i actually get better and get pretty excited when i last long enough to take there shields down, and learn how to survive, the time will come when i have enough sp to compete against these guys and get a good looking killboard if needs be i will buy a character to give me a few years boost but i see the best way is to learn the hard way, its not what you fly its how you fly it.
i think the fact im on 100 peoples killboard is quite funny great fun
dont really care for speed boosts for skills thats a crap idea and for people who cant be bothered to learn and just want to spend -ú1k to get decent skills, that sort of thing ruins the game, ccp dont do any speed ups it takes away the fun and skill aspect of the game
maybe you should go play viva pinata as your crying isnt really getting you anywhere. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
99277
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:32:00 -
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Samael Pserad wrote:
Saying a futuristic society with the alleged technological capabilities of the societies in game would engage in human slavery is as stupid as saying the Caldari plow their fields with oxen.
Why, we actually employ slave labor all over the world, especially in the world of banking, IT, and even TV scriptwriting.
You heard of a thing called internship ? Working a job with no pay ?? That is indeed slave labor, and it's alive and well.
And that's not even going into the sex-trafficking issues plaguing things worldwide. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Commissar Kate
Team Evil
45196
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Posted - 2014.02.12 17:39:00 -
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Wow this thread is still going?
Two things I'v learned.
Never underestimate religious fanatics and stupid people.
They both do things that boggle the mind. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk.
Unlocking all racial clothing |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1036
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Posted - 2014.02.12 22:43:00 -
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OP, some people just need to dominate other people it's not about the slavery as such, but more about the fact that the amarr religion demands that you submit to the will of your social betters. It's a society that breeds psychopathy and ritualises it at every turn. Thus there is a need for some people to dominate and for others to be dominated, this naturally enough leads to slavery.
Also take a look at our own history, human beings have done incredibly stupid and impractical things in the name of religion both in the distant past and in the present day.
Nothing is more stupid and impractical than suicide bombing yet it happens. What about refusing to eat certain foods due to religious observance. It happens. What about commiting genocide of entire populations consigning both the people you want to save and the people you want to die to death on the premise that God would know his own. That's happened.
Of course drones would be more efficient, but there's no satisfaction in dominating a drone. I though this had been made clear in the lore/eve chronicles. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
116
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Posted - 2014.02.13 02:55:00 -
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Dude why you bring these crazy religion or atheist aspects to this game, man i realy dont care.
Also you need to calm down, and stop thinking about this matter. If it bleed we can kill it. |
Effect One
Vengeful Swan
113
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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:16:00 -
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Ok. Bye.
'EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay' - CCP Rise |
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