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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:48:00 -
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Rant start/
1. Why oh why did you change the bonus on the SAC so its how a weaker zealot?
2. FFS give the Zealot a drone bay enough to fit a few lights, coz it gets on my t i t s that the t1 version has drones and t2 dont!
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:54:00 -
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The bonuses are a step in the right direction however i do agree it still needs some love as does the zealot.
What the Zealot needs drastically is more Cap, even with my skills maxed out lasers still suck my cap dry when im using my afterburner, web + scrambler. Turning off the AB helps once you get into range but still, id expect more from a laser based ship.
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:14:00 -
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Id sell my left nut for a drone bay on Zealot tbh ♥ Other than that the zealot is ok. All be it lacking on the dps front. I generally find armour hp more of an issue than cap The sac really sucked as it was. Its a bit better now. Maybe for pve or something it worked, i have no idea.But as a pvper, ive not used the sac more than twice since it came out. Now ill give it another go.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:23:00 -
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its damage output is abit ****, more than 400dps without t2 ammo is unrealistic.
Its cap is ****, but i think a drone bay would finish it off nicely and make the other problems seem worth it.
Its a shame its ROF bonus cant be switched for DAMAGE, then atleast its the same damage over time, just less cap use.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:24:00 -
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♥♥♥♥give the zealot a drone bay! ♥♥♥♥ __________________________________________________________
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: CB Apollo its damage output is abit ****, more than 400dps without t2 ammo is unrealistic.
Its cap is ****, but i think a drone bay would finish it off nicely and make the other problems seem worth it.
Its a shame its ROF bonus cant be switched for DAMAGE, then atleast its the same damage over time, just less cap use.
Are u talking about Sac or Zealot ?
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:26:00 -
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Aurora Tagan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:26:00 -
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5 light drones would be quite nice :)
Although tbh i think i would prefer another high slot.
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CB LoKi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: CB LoKi on 03/03/2006 11:27:46
Originally by: Romulus Maximus
Originally by: CB Apollo its damage output is abit ****, more than 400dps without t2 ammo is unrealistic.
Its cap is ****, but i think a drone bay would finish it off nicely and make the other problems seem worth it.
Its a shame its ROF bonus cant be switched for DAMAGE, then atleast its the same damage over time, just less cap use.
Are u talking about Sac or Zealot ?
he means zealot
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Anstice Frost
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:31:00 -
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What I don't understand is why the sac has 1 more high than the zealot, when the zealot is supposed to be an uber-damage dealer, and then the zealot has 2 more lows when the sac is supposed to be an uber-armor tanker.
Anyone point out something I'm missing here?
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Anstice Frost What I don't understand is why the sac has 1 more high than the zealot, when the zealot is supposed to be an uber-damage dealer, and then the zealot has 2 more lows when the sac is supposed to be an uber-armor tanker.
Anyone point out something I'm missing here?
lows = damage mods
the omen has 4 turrets so t2 should stay the same really.
highs are for nos really on sac, thats why.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Anstice Frost What I don't understand is why the sac has 1 more high than the zealot, when the zealot is supposed to be an uber-damage dealer, and then the zealot has 2 more lows when the sac is supposed to be an uber-armor tanker.
Anyone point out something I'm missing here?
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Anstice Frost
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:35:00 -
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okie thnx that makes sense.
Quote: Originally by: Galaxion
The Uneducated fly Amarr. Those in the know fly Minmatar. Nooblars fly Gallente. Cheaters fly Caldari. Rich people fly Faction.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: CB Apollo on 03/03/2006 11:53:45 220 reads and only one zealot pilot commenting?
If you use the zealot, post here, does the zealot need a drone bay YES or NO?
drone bay = EW for pvp, support for PvE, killing frigs or just webber drones etc...
the zealots a one trick pony, so adding drone bay means that you dont quite know what your going against in pvp, like most ships out there...
We NEED this!
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:55:00 -
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Yes it does. And it is possible to break 400 dps without T2 ammo in a zealot ^^.
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus Maximus Yes it does. And it is possible to break 400 dps without T2 ammo in a zealot ^^.
and still make it last long enought to atually fight?
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Bbllaarrgg
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus Maximus Id sell my left nut for a drone bay on Zealot tbh ♥ Other than that the zealot is ok. All be it lacking on the dps front. I generally find armour hp more of an issue than cap The sac really sucked as it was. Its a bit better now.
Wot he said.
Oh and howcome when i look at the thread title on the main page it shows as '♥♥ Zealot Pilots Readme ♥♥' yet when clicked on the thread it changes to 'Amarr HACS' _________________________________________________
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bbllaarrgg
Originally by: Romulus Maximus Id sell my left nut for a drone bay on Zealot tbh ♥ Other than that the zealot is ok. All be it lacking on the dps front. I generally find armour hp more of an issue than cap The sac really sucked as it was. Its a bit better now.
Wot he said.
Oh and howcome when i look at the thread title on the main page it shows as '♥♥ Zealot Pilots Readme ♥♥' yet when clicked on the thread it changes to 'Amarr HACS'
I... Dont.... Know.... lol
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:04:00 -
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Yes, its still perfectly useable. Only 3 dmg mods. With T2 ammo i do about 560. Dont forget, i may have a lot better skills etc for this ship that u may
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:12:00 -
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I doubt it.. But anyway the zealot for PVP is REALLY predictable.
A tracking disruptor 2 later and your dead in the water.
The adition of a drone bay capable of holding a max of 5 drones sorta size will mean that there could be a difference in zealot setups etc, not just PvP plate/resist/gank etc?
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:17:00 -
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U doubt what ? That i have that dps ? 1 TD will not make u immune to me thats for sure. Also, it will mean either u have no ab,no scram,or no web.
It wont get a dronebay,as the Diemos pilots will cry. There 750+ dps that they can get isnt enough. They want agility and other gubbins. Damn Gallente
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:19:00 -
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:21:00 -
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Silence slave ! Stop trolling teh boss' thread and get ur own
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: CB Apollo on 03/03/2006 12:29:34
Originally by: Romulus Maximus U doubt what ? That i have that dps ? 1 TD will not make u immune to me thats for sure. Also, it will mean either u have no ab,no scram,or no web.
It wont get a dronebay,as the Diemos pilots will cry. There 750+ dps that they can get isnt enough. They want agility and other gubbins. Damn Gallente
I dont doubt you as a HAC pilot man, just that you have more SP in HAC than me, I got implants all over and maxed skills. ;)
It really gets my goat that the Diemos can do 80%+ more damage yet they still moan lol, all we want is 5x light drones ffs lol
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:35:00 -
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Aye the Diemos is evil The only skill i havent got afaik is Spec 5. Though i only use pulse solo or small gangs. Anything big i use beams so i can actually hit stuff before all the mwd / sniper w***es kill it !
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CB Apollo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:42:00 -
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well i use beams for PVP and pulse for PvE, coz beams cant track for sh*t really, so pulse + web is the only way I can hit some things, then somethings like spider drones or 1km super fast frigs are just not doable, thats where the light drones would come in...
And PvP would be nice to have EW drones to assist the one trick laser boat...
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Ante
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus Maximus Id sell my left nut for a drone bay on Zealot tbh
One day a dev will come out and say 'WTT' to something like this.
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Pencheven
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:26:00 -
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Hi there,
Im a Zealot pilot and I am probably most specilized in this ship than any other within my skill range, although I have yet to actualy get ahold of a Sac, which I probably will do soon now with the changes.
Now you need to understand the Sac changes were a good thing, yes its pointed in toward a weaker Zealot, however the bonus's before just didnt cut it for the Sac. Diversity seem'd like a nice thing on paper however in the field a Missile ROF bonus just did not help the Sac in any way. Personally I feel this needs to be done with all Kahandi ships as they all suffer from this problem but thats my own opinion.
Another personal opinion I feel is that my Zealot is fine, yes I wouldnt mind a drone bay to full in for the T1 > T2 conversion however its not somthing the Zealot is crying out for. It only has 4 turret points becuse the ship class model only allows for this, you need to remember that all four bonus's for the ship are for its weapons, and yes, it is possible for Zealot to get above 400 DPS without T2 Crystals.
Lastly there are quiet a few differences between the T1 and T2 versions of the Maller - Sac, Omen - Zealot.. Such as Maller doesnt have a drone bay, Sac does, Omen and Zealot are vice versa, I think thats where your missing drone bay has gone.. Sac is still a nice tanker, even better with the changes and now should be able to put out some higher lazer damage..
I cant comfirm everything with the new patch as due to being constrained to dial up, I havent got the patch yet
Just some thoughts though..
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xenorx
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:44:00 -
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I fly both the sac and zealot. I havent dusted of my sac in almost a year as it just stunk. Perhaps the change will help.
The lack of the drone bay on the zealot has always bothered me. My first cruiser was a omen and while the drone bay was to small imo it was still needed. The zealot would be a much better ship with a 25m3 drone bay.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:51:00 -
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I think the zealot WAS ok when it was first released, but its DPS is prett yaverage now, and it still has no drone bay or very good cap, this ship either needs a damage boost, a small drone bay or better cap recharge.
But generally im happy with it, yeah i have to waste a lowslot and a mid just to make my setup sustainable, and i have to fit a plate to give survivability, but i suppose you cant have your cake and eat it.
But wha tthye have done with the sac is silly, its just a crap zealot now.
Jacques 4tw - Hanns I watched Hanns beat up Chuck Norris yesterday -zhuge liang That is such a lie, it Buck Rodgers - Cortes
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