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Maria Foxe
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Posted - 2006.03.04 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Maria Foxe on 04/03/2006 03:32:22 Ok. I'm sure many of you are to terms with the game and all... but ever wonder... just how fast are you really going when you hit X amount of AU per second?
FACT before we begin a quick leason about warp speeds. 1 AU = 149597870.691 kilometers. The AU is about the usual distance from the Earth to the Sun (and vice versa)
Okay, now listen up for a quick leason in warp travel people!
It takes 8.33333333...(lets make it a nice 8.3 minutes, kay?) minutes for light to come from the Sun to the Earth. Lets say we have a EVE Cruiser that goes (just for example) exactly 2.0 AU a second. Your mining in your cruiser... OH MY GOD! PIRATES! They havn't jammed you! You randomly warp to your hiding point... 70 AUs away at 2 AU a second. That takes you 35 seconds to travel from your mining point to your hiding point exactly 70 AUs away. Light takes 581 minutes(34,860 seconds) to travel 70 AU.
Woah hold on! Did you just catch that? Yeah! If you calculate it out... you just went996 TIMES FASTER than those SLOW light particals back at the asteroid field! Wow! 996 times faster than light on that trip!
Amazing huh? Thats only 2 AU a second! A friend's Rifter, using those distances, goes around 2988x the speed of light since his Rifter goes over 2 AU a second!
Wow, its amazing at how fast those warp drives can carry us away from danger!
Wonder how the warp drive theory works in real life?(Im NOT sure if this is how the EVE Warp drives work) Gravity is bent around your star ship to allow the universe to bend, or warp, around your ship.(I won't even go into how this affects time and reality around yourself) In doing so, you also need an anti gravity device of equal power to keep this gravity field from crushing you into a black hole! All of this proceedure requires power...
How much? More power than our sun (Sol, the sun in real life) generates in its entire life time... PER SECOND
So... how is it... that we can only fit so few of guns on our ships
No offence to the devs, the game, or anything EVE people. Just talking if our ships were in the real world, or our ships compared to the real world. Just to give you an idea of how or what is going on when your ship warps. :)
Enjoy your warp drive people! May it speed your travel up many times to come
-Joseph EVE Name: Maria Foxe
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 03:34:00 -
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Read the backstory... there's an article just for this.
No, EVE does not use stereotypical inefficient base Alcubierre drives, which would require that much energy.
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Maria Foxe
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Posted - 2006.03.04 03:35:00 -
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Hey, I was only having fun now.
I know theres a back story on it, I was just saying compared to real life for those who were curious.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Foxe Edited by: Maria Foxe on 04/03/2006 03:37:18 Hey, I was only having fun now.
I know theres a back story on it, I was just saying compared to real life for those who were curious. On the depleted vacuum, for the game it works, for reality it doesn't. Like I said, Only using my talk just for a compared to real life using EVE's speeds.
There are many "real life theories" for warp travel--Alcubierre drives are only one of them, and there are many types of those, some more efficient than others.
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Maria Foxe
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Posted - 2006.03.04 03:41:00 -
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Indeed so, but thats my favorite due to the insain ammounts required
Just let people enjoy the thread now, one thing Im right about my friend, is how many times faster we are going... so let them enjoy that.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/03/2006 03:56:00
Originally by: Maria Foxe Indeed so, but thats my favorite due to the insain ammounts required
Just let people enjoy the thread now, one thing Im right about my friend, is how many times faster we are going... so let them enjoy that.
They probably already know exactly how many times faster they're going
Google Calculator
(13.5 (AU / s)) / c = 6,736.5704 times the speed of light.
(For the fastest ship in EVE)
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Assei
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Posted - 2006.03.04 03:58:00 -
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Well, theoretically it is possible. Considering traveling about 1,000 light years will only take you about 20 years depending on how close you get to the speed of light (for the love of god, dont make me explain this. If you understand, good, if not, look it up.)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Assei Well, theoretically it is possible. Considering traveling about 1,000 light years will only take you about 20 years depending on how close you get to the speed of light (for the love of god, dont make me explain this. If you understand, good, if not, look it up.)
That isn't travelling faster than light (which is totally seperate)--that's time dilation at high travel speeds.
1000 light years doesn't take 20 years--from your perspective, the distance is more like 19.5 light years due to length contraction.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.03.04 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 04/03/2006 04:24:42 There are many, many theories that would explain how to travel faster than light.
None of them spring from reality.
However close to our model of physics they might come, they all spring from the dream to conquer the stars, not independantly as an extension of a science.
They're an extension of science fiction into the territory of science, the ones that make any sense whatsoever. Perhaps that dream will be fulfilled by one of them - but until then no matter how credentialled the scientist, FTL is just wishful thinking.
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Guntaro
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Posted - 2006.03.04 10:10:00 -
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Actually according to an article I read in New Scientist, there is current research into FTL travel that is gaining credibiilty. It is based on work done by a German physicist named Burkhard Heim and is very facinating.
link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html
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Jones Cirom
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:50:00 -
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everything taken into consideration, if we weren't able to go this fast, travelling at light speed would take a long time.
But I suppose you could see it as not only warping at lightspeed, but also making time go slower than the rest of the galaxy and thereby, in normal time without speed, arriving at a speed that seems higher than lightspeed?
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Saul Dhampir
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:03:00 -
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If you could go at these speeds everything behind your ship would also be black. Given that the light comming from that direction would have to be traveling faster than you to reach you so you could see it.
I started to think about the 'time' issue with this but my brain handed in its notice.
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Saul Dhampir If you could go at these speeds everything behind your ship would also be black. Given that the light comming from that direction would have to be traveling faster than you to reach you so you could see it.
I started to think about the 'time' issue with this but my brain handed in its notice.
Saul
But you aren't traveling faster than the speed of light. Due to the spacefolding you're actually just going at your speeds maximum 'regular speed', the difference is that you cover a whole buckload of distance
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Cirom everything taken into consideration, if we weren't able to go this fast, travelling at light speed would take a long time.
But I suppose you could see it as not only warping at lightspeed, but also making time go slower than the rest of the galaxy and thereby, in normal time without speed, arriving at a speed that seems higher than lightspeed?
rgds
You would not seem to be going faster than light, ever.
If you are going, say 99.9% the speed of light, there would be about a 95% time dilation. That means a 1000 light year trip would take 20 years.
But there would also be a length contraction. That 1000 light year trip would appear, from your perspective, to merely be 20 light years.
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Gun Mei
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:06:00 -
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As CCP Hammer once said: "boobies". <-the universal explanation for ... everything
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Ralus
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Guntaro Actually according to an article I read in New Scientist, there is current research into FTL travel that is gaining credibiilty. It is based on work done by a German physicist named Burkhard Heim and is very facinating.
link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html
Yup I read that one too, only problem is the only person who really knows that the theorys do is Heim... and hes dead, so they've got to try and work out what he was on about first
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ralus
Originally by: Guntaro Actually according to an article I read in New Scientist, there is current research into FTL travel that is gaining credibiilty. It is based on work done by a German physicist named Burkhard Heim and is very facinating.
link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html
Yup I read that one too, only problem is the only person who really knows that the theorys do is Heim... and hes dead, so they've got to try and work out what he was on about first
And most likely the whole thing is total BS--I've read it and it looks even less likely than Cold Fusion, which actually was based on at least a bit of real science.
The entire concept looks like one of those papers created by an online "Bulls*** generator."
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:28:00 -
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Lets look at this in another way... 500 years ago if you told a person man would be able to fly faster than the speed of sound he would say "HUH!" on so many levels its simply not funny.
Yet today anyone with some cash can go upp in a supersonic plane and experience faster than sound speeds personally, we have even started having space tourists.
Now EvE is suposed to be set at a technological point so far into the future that we simply cant comprehend the basic principles of the technology... wich you marvelously well show we dont :)
In short, it works.
As for physics... everyone with enough education knows that in all probability most of the physics we are working with today is wrong, its close aproximations that are exact enough to cover our needs but in all posibility it will all be scrapped for better sooner or later.
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Jaghatai Vachir
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ralus
Originally by: Guntaro Actually according to an article I read in New Scientist, there is current research into FTL travel that is gaining credibiilty. It is based on work done by a German physicist named Burkhard Heim and is very facinating.
link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html
Yup I read that one too, only problem is the only person who really knows that the theorys do is Heim... and hes dead, so they've got to try and work out what he was on about first
And most likely the whole thing is total BS--I've read it and it looks even less likely than Cold Fusion, which actually was based on at least a bit of real science.
The entire concept looks like one of those papers created by an online "Bulls*** generator."
The early computer models are causing a slight amount of optimism, but of course it's healthy to be skeptical. That should not, however, get to the stage where you dismiss every new theory out of hand without waiting for concrete test results.
If we simply dismissed every implausible theory as "bull****", we would still be in the dark ages.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:29:00 -
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imao who cares it just a game
and plz add to eve giant space slugs
join soar angelic
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jaghatai Vachir
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ralus
Originally by: Guntaro Actually according to an article I read in New Scientist, there is current research into FTL travel that is gaining credibiilty. It is based on work done by a German physicist named Burkhard Heim and is very facinating.
link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html
Yup I read that one too, only problem is the only person who really knows that the theorys do is Heim... and hes dead, so they've got to try and work out what he was on about first
And most likely the whole thing is total BS--I've read it and it looks even less likely than Cold Fusion, which actually was based on at least a bit of real science.
The entire concept looks like one of those papers created by an online "Bulls*** generator."
The early computer models are causing a slight amount of optimism, but of course it's healthy to be skeptical. That should not, however, get to the stage where you dismiss every new theory out of hand without waiting for concrete test results.
If we simply dismissed every implausible theory as "bull****", we would still be in the dark ages.
As they always say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
AKA "I'll believe it when I see a working prototype." Doesn't need to be a full-size one, either.
For example, holographic memory--we long thought that was a pipe dream, but two years ago they came out with a working prototype that could literally be plugged into a laptop.
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Chinsor
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:37:00 -
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nice post maria
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JADE DRAG0NESS
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Posted - 2006.03.04 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Guntaro Actually according to an article I read in New Scientist, there is current research into FTL travel that is gaining credibiilty. It is based on work done by a German physicist named Burkhard Heim and is very facinating.
link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html
Yea after reading this article im a bis soso about it. the main problem the regular scientific comunit has about this theory is that non of them fully understand it [not nessasarily because its BS but because its a bit advanced], these scientists could be compared with a caveman being shown an automobile and being told that just by looking at you can build your own. Scientists reply If only we had a step by step explanation on how it works.
So to summerise the above paragraph they are not saying its nonsence after all this german guy came up with some really good physics. they are just saying its a bit too complicated to understand.
Also related to this article i read that the us goverment is building a prototype engine which is slated for testing in 5 years time. So there must be something worthwhile to it or i think they wouldnt be spending so much cash on it now wouldnt they
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.04 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Also related to this article i read that the us goverment is building a prototype engine which is slated for testing in 5 years time. So there must be something worthwhile to it or i think they wouldnt be spending so much cash on it now wouldnt they
Nah, they spend money on worthless things all the time. Like those massive studies that prove obvious things like "people work less on Fridays."
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JADE DRAG0NESS
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Posted - 2006.03.04 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Also related to this article i read that the us goverment is building a prototype engine which is slated for testing in 5 years time. So there must be something worthwhile to it or i think they wouldnt be spending so much cash on it now wouldnt they
Nah, they spend money on worthless things all the time. Like those massive studies that prove obvious things like "people work less on Fridays."
LOL
Yes quite true like any other burocracy [bad spelling] they love to wast money.
Netherless at least in 5 years time this theory will either.
Get shown that its an inacurate idea, either completly wrong or just inaccurate.
or
get shown to be correct leading to who knows what.
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jLerones
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Posted - 2006.03.04 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: jLerones on 04/03/2006 13:37:38 Edited by: jLerones on 04/03/2006 13:37:10
Originally by: Guntaro Actually according to an article I read in New Scientist, there is current research into FTL travel that is gaining credibiilty. It is based on work done by a German physicist named Burkhard Heim and is very facinating.
link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html
well, after reading that article, this whole thing about huge rings spinning and enormous amounts of energy and magnetic fields reminds me of "the machine" in the movie "Contact"...
and the government is spending money researching this?? omg, then it will probably be to invent some kind of "our missiles travel thru another dimension and we can deliver them to your backyard instantly" device
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.04 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Foxe On the depleted vacuum, for the game it works, for reality it doesn't.
Ah, but it does.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.03.04 13:51:00 -
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travel in EVE is clearly optimized for gameplay, a Badger Mark II crosses 161au in under a minute. The there is the stargates, aka the old Man made wormhole theory of which science thinks is possible but to create a wormhole takes more raw energy then the entire earth uses in a year or something huge like that.
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.03.04 14:04:00 -
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wow that was cool!
thanks for the tid bit of info ill remember that next time.
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Zardock
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Posted - 2006.03.04 14:10:00 -
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OP: Keep in mind that the only thing that we have about real warp engines are theories. Theories, and time and time again it has been proven that you shouldn't take it as fact but rather as what we believe it to be to this day.
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