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Dread Delgarth
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:05:00 -
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Stabbed, cloaky farmers are the bane of FW.
Is there anything more depressing then getting a Venture on d-scan towards a FW plex? Or you pick up a combat ship on d-scan, warp to the gate and suddenly the ship disappears off your radar - he cloaked as soon as he picked your ship up on short range. Utterly broken mechanics that need one simple fix - timer resets. I honestly think this one change would eliminate most of these plex farmers. |
Dread Delgarth
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:21:00 -
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Xuixien wrote: Making them have to jump through extra hurdles to cap a plex, reducing payouts, making "no cloak zones", making the rats harder... it will not give you more kills, because people can still simply warp out when there's someone on scan.
How many times does this need spelling out - it's not the easily gained LP factor or lack of PvP thats the real problem, they are more annoyances then anything else. It's the fact that these week old characters can have a direct effect on Sovereignty of a system.
Can you imagine the outrage if a similar mechanism was at work in Null sec and noob farmer alts had the potential to remove access from stations for people living there? |
Dread Delgarth
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:48:00 -
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Can anybody offer a valid reason against having timer resets on plexes? Farmers could still fit cloaks and stabs and make isk plexing, they would just have to work harder to do it. Defenders more interested in PvP don't have to waste as much time chasing farmers and orbiting buttons. Any L.P farming should be done by running missions and these would be unaffected by a plex timer reset. |
Dread Delgarth
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:23:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Dread Delgarth wrote:Can anybody offer a valid reason against having timer resets on plexes? Farmers could still fit cloaks and stabs and make isk plexing, they would just have to work harder to do it. Defenders more interested in PvP don't have to waste as much time chasing farmers and orbiting buttons. Any L.P farming should be done by running missions and these would be unaffected by a plex timer reset. This is really what it comes down to.. You guys don't want to orbit the buttons because it is boring. I fully agree that it is but asking for things to be set up so that you don't have to do any of the boring work and can just fly around getting easy fights from the people who are orbiting the buttons seems a bit ... well, self-centred.
I don't think it's self centred to point out that plex farmers are abusing the spirit of FW, which is to join a permanent war dec so you can gain easy access to PvP. The vast majority have no interest in PvP they are just exploiting a flawed mechanic Imo.
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Dread Delgarth
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:59:00 -
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Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:
FW Spirit won't give me a new ship. Well, it will, but I ain't gonna pvp in an Ibis.
Pure farmers are exploiting, but there's yet to be a system that no-lifers can't exploit. We're still talking about making it harder for genuine newbies. They run, they farm, and then they buy ships and get blown out of the sky. As newbs should o7
TBH mate from what you type you are not part of the problem. I agree that newbies in FW need to be able to earn decent isk but would it not be just as easy for newbro's to run missions that don't affect system occupancy? My main gripe is that I and fellow corpies have to continually d-plex our system otherwise we get locked out and lose access to our ships. Now if doing this involved PvP, like when one of the major Caldari groups launches a concerted offensive it's the most fun I have in game because we have continual fights. However when it consists of orbiting a button for 20 minutes because a 3 day old alt is cloaked up in the plex waiting for you to leave it's dull, disheartening and completely opposite to the intentions of FW.
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Dread Delgarth
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:06:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Thanatos Marathon wrote:Sure, its all numbers. Spreadsheets in space and all that.
My cloaky farmer alt sits in a Medium plex for 18 min. A WT comes to the activation gate so I cloak up. Currently if he wants to cap the plex he has to sit in the plex for the base time of the plex as well as the 18 minutes that my cloaky farmer sat there. All we are asking for is that if the person that was running the plex bails or cloaks the timer goes back to the base time of the plex.
This will reduce the impact the cloaky farmers have on the warzone without stopping them from being able to plex as well as insentivize them to stay and actually fight for the plex that they have invested 18 minutes into.
You sound as if you do not want this change. Why is that? I'm not sure that I do object to something like that change on those grounds, although I would probably be inclined to support not a timer roll-back but independent faction timers. Bailing out should be an option (a tactical withdrawal is a perfectly valid tactic in warfare, as is skirmishing and harassment without committing to full combat) and I don't see why the enemy bringing something you can't beat should always undo all the work you have done. On the other hand, I also don't see why the work you have done should add to the burden of the opposition. Whichever side gets their independent timer to the target first would suit me. What I don't like is the idea that the defenders shouldn't actually have to cap the plex and that they should be able to just roll around driving out the opposition who are trying to do the grunt work without having to do any of the tedious stuff themselves.
Well I'd prefer timer resets, but having independent faction timers as you suggest would be far better then the current system, especially if they scrapped the tier system and just had a set payout across the board for capturing a plex. |
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:40:00 -
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Burtakus wrote:I could be wrong, but it appears the only ones against this minor suggestion of altering the timer roll back are those defending the incredibly low risk/reward of farming FW plexes provides and are either not in FW or are themselves taking advantage of this abuse.
If that is the case then acknowledging the imbalance this creates and altering it is of no use since it does not impact them except when they need to switch their farming alt to another faction when the tiers change.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Yeah I noticed that too. Funny how current pilots in FW Corps from all factions want timer roll backs, the only people arguing to keep the status quo aren't even in FW.
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