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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2013.12.09 21:31:00 -
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30 plex a day per side per warzone.
Each has ship restrictions, tougher NPCs, shows up on map and takes 1 hour to capture. 10% system capture per plex.
No farmers, get fights.
Or something like that. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3776
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Posted - 2013.12.09 22:12:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:Wich part you guys hang out lol , i think you overrated this problem , i see those farmers too, but the majority gives me fights.
By nerfing fw you gonna buuried again me thinks. im in for timer reset solo if you cloacked as mention before.
Dont forget the little guys friend , you may be top 2 batlltclinic bla bla , and i can effort also to "farm" in tech2&faction , but plenty of guys also who just are simpel newbros with 1 account , tey need those lp to keep them going to get expiernce en skills etc
Just to reiterate my personal opinion if it is not clear- FW LP payouts are very well balanced if you actually participate in the PVP part. LP together with all the PVP loot are enough to sustain active daily FW fighting. We have access to nice LP stores where we can buy ships, implants, ammo etc for reduced prices. This works, we can keep on fighting- you won't get rich, and if you want to fly stuff like T2 cruisers a lot, you'll need additional sources of income. During heavy campaigning the income stops almost completely, which in itself is a very nice dynamic and simulates war rather well.
The problem is not how much LP you get, but how. Because of an oversight/loophole in the plexing mechanics, non-FW people are able to exploit the LP payout system, and their actions also happen to affect the warzone control, and the daily life of people who try to engage in FW like it was meant to. This isn't an economic problem because the payouts are LP, not ISK, just a cancer of an otherwise fantastic gameplay area.
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
602
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Posted - 2013.12.09 22:19:00 -
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I like the false premise that you should have to PvP that these sorts of threads are always based on.
In the end it's really a judgement call - an opinion not actually rooted in anything that would actually improve the game. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
41
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Posted - 2013.12.09 22:22:00 -
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Roime wrote:The problem is not how much LP you get, but how. Because of an oversight/loophole in the plexing mechanics, non-FW people are able to exploit the LP payout system, and their actions also happen to affect the warzone control...
What? How?
Genuine question as I'm a neut in FW area and enjoy it purely because it's a good place to find fights.
I don't earn any LP and don't affect warzone control in any way that I am aware.
If there is a way to allow me to exploit the LP payout system I'd love to know about it and if I do affect warzone control, that would also be good to know.
I encounter many LP farmers and cloaky plexers in the last few months, but despite them, FW plexes are still the best and fastest way to find fights in high, low and nullsec.
From what I understand in interacting with many of farmers, they are throw away alts of FW pvp players; and any change to the LP mechanics would impact, not only the farmers, but the pvp mains as well.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
42
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Posted - 2013.12.09 22:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why is that a response? Here's an area of the game that's supposed to brew conflict and actual warfare. That's the explicit stated intent. Instead players are using it to farm massive amounts of isk and people are actually driven away from the warfare aspect because too many of them just want to carebear.
But it does brew conflict and actual warfare.
Look at systems like Old Man Star and Heydieles. There's been a huge amount of conflict there for the last couple of months; all based on factional conflict.
The same can be said of the systems around Tama, Eha/Oicx and I'm sure similar in the Amarr/Min FW area (I'm not so familiar with that outside the Ammamake/Sesiede systems.
Across most of the GalCal FW systems it's relatively easy to find fights and there are regular fleet encounters between the opposing sides.
So the LP farming isn't instead of warfare, it's in addition to warfare and for many, it serves to sustain their warfare losses. PvP isn't free and a lot of players go through a lot of ships because they like to PvP. They need a way to sustain that in order to keep the FW zones busy. |
Karrl Tian
Bourbon Bandits Anarchy.
274
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Posted - 2013.12.09 23:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Rainbow Dash wrote:surprisingly bad isk/hr Rainbow Dash wrote:Right now I'm barely making 400m/hr Rainbow Dash wrote:Right now I'm barely making 400m/hr Rainbow Dash wrote:surprisingly bad isk/hr You know that other thread we have, where the wormhole-dweller OP got ganked in highsec in his faction fit ECM Tengu? There's insinuation that because wormhole dwellers make so much ISK, they lose touch of what a more standard income actually is. That seems to be happening here. Of course the difference is that wormhole dwellers have to put considerably more effort and risk into what they do for their gains.
Goal was to make a state of PvP that would payout for those who didn't want to farm all the time to offset losses fighting. Bounties are still broken, and piracy (especially the highsec kind) can't be buffed too much or CCP's bread-and-butter goes away. Unfortunately, or should I say naturally, this was abused to holy hell and back by people who had no intention of risking more than they had to, and as it only required a t1 naked frig, they don't have to risk a lot. |
Starbuck05
The Mjolnir Bloc B O R G
73
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Posted - 2013.12.09 23:16:00 -
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What is it you PVPers tell carebears all the time? Ah yes - Mr Pragmatic
So i take it your one of the little carebears that couldnt ? if not , then please explain what you where trying to say there , because either i am stupid or you clearly have no ideea what this thread has been going on about ...
Side note , this is not about PVE , this is about PvP , and about factional warfare itself , as i mentioned above the people who trully joined fw and play it like it should , give a damn about the war zone , about they-re hom systems stability and about the lp they work for in order to fund they-re pvp . This is not about your casual carebear that shoots a red cross and w8s for sparks to come flying out of the loot can .. if you don't have anything constructive to say about all of this , for example why do you consider this is or is not a good or bad ideea , to tell us , then why do you even bother posting bullsh1t ? ... because you probably have your own alt farming the plexes and hate the fact that the little isk pixies might dissapear ....
And what the h3lll does HTFU even mean ffs .... speak english( or atleast somethin close to that , like me ) because i cba to learn every acronym there is just because you are lazy ..
Typing from my phone so can't actually quote properly .. -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
612
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Posted - 2013.12.09 23:54:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:And what the h3lll does HTFU even mean ffs .... speak english( or atleast somethin close to that , like me ) because i cba to learn every acronym there is just because you are lazy ..
It means "Harden The **** Up" - in other words - stop whining.
Also it's ironic that you tell us to "speak English and stop using acronyms" when your post contained 2 of your own acronyms. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1794
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Posted - 2013.12.10 00:42:00 -
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To the people who are defending isk farming bots in FW space:
You're insane. The people bot farming in cloaked and stabbed ships aren't of any benefit to the people who actually fight in FW. They're not there to farm isk to benefit the warzone or the people in it.
They're there to get free money with no effort.
If you're going to put yourself in a position where you are defending free money for no effort, just go mine ice or blitz L4s and be done with it. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Dread Delgarth
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
8
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:21:00 -
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Xuixien wrote: Making them have to jump through extra hurdles to cap a plex, reducing payouts, making "no cloak zones", making the rats harder... it will not give you more kills, because people can still simply warp out when there's someone on scan.
How many times does this need spelling out - it's not the easily gained LP factor or lack of PvP thats the real problem, they are more annoyances then anything else. It's the fact that these week old characters can have a direct effect on Sovereignty of a system.
Can you imagine the outrage if a similar mechanism was at work in Null sec and noob farmer alts had the potential to remove access from stations for people living there? |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3781
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:25:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote: I'd like an empty low sec too, but that's because I like to explore without using probes and rat at belts, but I fully accept that other people have the right to deny me my spoils, how are you any different to a miner or a hauler complaining about gankers?
Good lord. Are you ignorant, or just being obtuse? You really don't get what the purpose of this thread is, do you? She has a point, though. Miner complains: "This is not fair! This is ruining my game! Low SP characters in cheap, disposable ships can just come and ruin my play with no consequence to themselves!" FWer complains: "This is not fair! This is ruining my game! Low SP characters in cheap, disposable ships can just come and ruin my play with no consequence to themselves!" I mean, you and I flew in FW together for a long while. You know that I know how frustrating it can be when a target gets away... but there's really no solution to it. People will still be able to warp out of a plex when you're on DScan. Making them have to jump through extra hurdles to cap a plex, reducing payouts, making "no cloak zones", making the rats harder... it will not give you more kills, because people can still simply warp out when there's someone on scan. Also it's nice to know that if I'm really busy IRL and need to get some quick ISK to PvP with, I can run a few plexes.
Yeah I was just thinking this.
Hey, does anybody have any guides to this ISK faucet playing? I got an alt for whom I can built scores of T1 frigates. |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
85
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:26:00 -
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Dread Delgarth wrote:Can you imagine the outrage if a similar mechanism was at work in Null sec and noob farmer alts had the potential to remove access from stations for people living there?
Well people in Null tend to be more active in their stating system.. maybe that is part of your problem
But also they would probalyl be more active in the PvP sense to keep them away.. be it gate camps or in FW sense camping the plexes to keep them away.
Hell you can even keep your 1 week old alt at the plex to keep away the undesirables |
Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:46:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'll abstain from this thread then since I don't have direct knowledge, but given what I've heard it wouldn't surprise me if he were serious.
It was only half a joke. If I cash out now it's only like 400m/hr, which isn't that much for FW L4 missions. However, compared to pretty much every other activity in the game, it's a shitton of isk, and the risk/reward is way out of wack. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1893
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:46:00 -
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the best way to 'win' the plexing mechanic is to run away every time someone else enters
this is a problem because the whole point of faction war is 'pvp for isk' and the reason for plexes to exist is to provoke pvp encounters
the best fix is to make 'staying and fighting people off' a more attractive option than 'running and boring everyone else off'
limiting stabs and cloaks inside plexes (limiting player choice) is not a good route to fixing the problem. this should be a last resort only. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5294
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:55:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:the best way to 'win' the plexing mechanic is to run away every time someone else enters
this is a problem because the whole point of faction war is 'pvp for isk' and the reason for plexes to exist is to provoke pvp encounters
the best fix is to make 'staying and fighting people off' a more attractive option than 'running and boring everyone else off'
limiting stabs and cloaks inside plexes (limiting player choice) is not a good route to fixing the problem. this should be a last resort only. 'staying and died to an uberfit ganker or rather group of gankers' vs 'running and boring everyone else off' There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
843
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Posted - 2013.12.10 03:48:00 -
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Roime wrote:- timer rollbacks - buffing the NPCs - cloak prevention mechanism Agree with all of these. I think if implemented, you won't need to look at any warp core rebalancing. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1893
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Posted - 2013.12.10 04:21:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:the best way to 'win' the plexing mechanic is to run away every time someone else enters
this is a problem because the whole point of faction war is 'pvp for isk' and the reason for plexes to exist is to provoke pvp encounters
the best fix is to make 'staying and fighting people off' a more attractive option than 'running and boring everyone else off'
limiting stabs and cloaks inside plexes (limiting player choice) is not a good route to fixing the problem. this should be a last resort only. 'staying and died to an uberfit ganker or rather group of gankers' vs 'running and boring everyone else off' actually, more like 'staying and died to an uberfit ganker or rather group of gankers, losing a ship and time, giving them a killmail that will encourage them to look for me more frequently resulting in the loss of more time and possibly ships' vs 'no fun allowed' when the best way to win is 'no fun allowed' there's something wrong with the game, especially when the mechanic in question has a design goal of provoking pvp and facilitating players to enjoy themselves (you should be familiar with this concept already, the same problem appears in sov war?)
it's not like i'm blaming the farmers. they're doing the best thing they need to do to win. but what's happening is contrary to what the fw rebalance was designed to achieve
gankers aren't uberfit anyway vOv farmers will run from a venture frigate. any difference in power between aggressors and farmers is because farmers are low-skill alts, because how many skills do you need to kill a rat and warp out? |
Felicity Love
Nighthawk Exploration
1033
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:01:00 -
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... laughs an evil laugh and savours the ISK-farming hypocrisy, being an especially delicious vintage today...
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1660
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:15:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:There's insinuation that because wormhole dwellers make so much ISK, they lose touch of what a more standard income actually is. What the flying, furry **** ?
Pleeease, please don't group us all with that one person.
Some of us live in W-space simply because ... well, just because **** Empire that's why. It's fun having your own system of sorts, having no local and a proportionately lower amount of idiots per capita. Anyone who knows me knows I don't give two hoots about farming or making ISK, just having some simple fun. I'm sure many other wormhole dwellers are the same, living there for the unique opportunities one encounters to have that fun, and not just for making ISK. For some players all of eve is just a big expense. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) CEO Nighthawk Exploration | Just an innocent explorer passing through-á pâä OOPE Pinup Calender applications |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3784
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:26:00 -
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Garandras wrote:Dread Delgarth wrote:Can you imagine the outrage if a similar mechanism was at work in Null sec and noob farmer alts had the potential to remove access from stations for people living there? Well people in Null tend to be more active in their stating system.. maybe that is part of your problem But also they would probalyl be more active in the PvP sense to keep them away.. be it gate camps or in FW sense camping the plexes to keep them away.
you might want to edit that after you've checked the facts mate
Quote:Hell you can even keep your 1 week old alt at the plex to keep away the undesirables
Sounds like a great mechanic, don't you think
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Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3784
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Posted - 2013.12.10 05:35:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:I like the false premise that you should have to PvP that these sorts of threads are always based on.
In the end it's really a judgement call - an opinion not actually rooted in anything that would actually improve the game.
I'm not talking about hisec mining, mission running or null anom running. Bears can be bears, they are involved in PVE activities.
Factional Warfare plexes, however, are explicitly meant to facilitate PVP combat. Running plexes is the only way to push FW systems to vulnerable state so that the Infrastructure Hub can be attacked. It's the equivalent of reinforcing structures in null sov.
Fix Faction Warfare - introduce timer rollbacks |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1893
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Posted - 2013.12.10 06:05:00 -
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there's the argument that goes around in these sorts of threads that you cannot and shouldn't force people to pvp
that's true. but that doesn't mean that every activity must accommodate those who won't pvp. in fact, if accommodating pve'ers means that the pvp part of a pvp-oriented feature is done over, it is completely ok to tell those who won't pvp to bugger off. there's plenty of pve content around they won't be exposed to pvp while doing
PVP FOR ISK not WARP OUT AND CLOAK FOR ISK |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
359
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Posted - 2013.12.10 06:48:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:i think as soon there are timer rollbacks you don't need any of the other points. It will all fix itself. All you have to do is to patrol your space and pve boats have no chance anymore to control the warzone. Cloaks, stabs whatever.. all become useless.
Man speaks truth.
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
273
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:28:00 -
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Roime wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Wich part you guys hang out lol , i think you overrated this problem , i see those farmers too, but the majority gives me fights.
By nerfing fw you gonna buuried again me thinks. im in for timer reset solo if you cloacked as mention before.
Dont forget the little guys friend , you may be top 2 batlltclinic bla bla , and i can effort also to "farm" in tech2&faction , but plenty of guys also who just are simpel newbros with 1 account , tey need those lp to keep them going to get expiernce en skills etc Just to reiterate my personal opinion if it is not clear- FW LP payouts are very well balanced if you actually participate in the PVP part. LP together with all the PVP loot are enough to sustain active daily FW fighting. We have access to nice LP stores where we can buy ships, implants, ammo etc for reduced prices. This works, we can keep on fighting- you won't get rich, and if you want to fly stuff like T2 cruisers a lot, you'll need additional sources of income. During heavy campaigning the income stops almost completely, which in itself is a very nice dynamic and simulates war rather well. The problem is not how much LP you get, but how. Because of an oversight/loophole in the plexing mechanics, non-FW people are able to exploit the LP payout system, and their actions also happen to affect the warzone control, and the daily life of people who try to engage in FW like it was meant to. This isn't an economic problem because the payouts are LP, not ISK, just a cancer of an otherwise fantastic gameplay area.
yep stabs & cloack , but is this really a FW problem?....
edit: and fw is my main income , it would be afwul if you need more accounts to live fairly well in fw The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Balshem Rozenzweig
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:37:00 -
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Dread Delgarth wrote:Stabbed, cloaky farmers are the bane of FW.
Is there anything more depressing then getting a Venture on d-scan towards a FW plex? Or you pick up a combat ship on d-scan, warp to the gate and suddenly the ship disappears off your radar - he cloaked as soon as he picked your ship up on short range. Utterly broken mechanics that need one simple fix - timer resets. I honestly think this one change would eliminate most of these plex farmers.
Yeah. When I try to pvp in my late september 2013 main character, and 2008 peops in navy/pirate frigs try to "fight" with me.
Or when my poor kestrel is hunted by a t2 frig.
Or when 4 or so old neuts come to my plex.
Or...
You should probably get my point by now.
I don't use stealth or wcs so I don't care much for them, but those posts about "new players profiting unjustly" are silly. ISK comes from farming. Maybe they should nerf your source of income?
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RAW23
580
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:40:00 -
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So, this is a thread full of elite PvPers complaining about people having found counters to their tactics. Of course, it would be nice if everyone would just offer themselves up on a plate to their betters but some people are going to, you know, not want to die.
There is an easy answer to stabs. Simply fit more points. But most of the elite guys don't want to do that because they don't want to gimp their own fits. Unfortunately, though, that's what it comes down to - you have to make choices. There are means at your disposal to defeat these tactics but you don't want to take advantage of them because that will stop you doing other things that you like to do. Tough. You can't have everything and you can't expect the game to be designed to force everyone to play in the style that suits you.
As to cloaks, the issue here is no different than it is anywhere else in the game. Cloaky guys are hard to kill. Like anyone else in the game going up against cloaks, you have to live with that. Cloaky ships cannot run down timers with the cloak activated so if you force someone to cloak you can sit in the plex and run down the timer yourself. Well done, you have won that battle and neutralised his ability to pursue control of the warzone. No real problem (unless of course you just want to kill things and don't really want to sit around running the timer down?). There are two types of EVE player:
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RAW23
580
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:45:00 -
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Dread Delgarth wrote:Xuixien wrote: Making them have to jump through extra hurdles to cap a plex, reducing payouts, making "no cloak zones", making the rats harder... it will not give you more kills, because people can still simply warp out when there's someone on scan.
How many times does this need spelling out - it's not the easily gained LP factor or lack of PvP thats the real problem, they are more annoyances then anything else. It's the fact that these week old characters can have a direct effect on Sovereignty of a system. Can you imagine the outrage if a similar mechanism was at work in Null sec and noob farmer alts had the potential to remove access from stations for people living there?
Are you aware of the early history of the goons? Their whole ethos was based on exploiting the fact that you CAN do things with massed numbers of very low skill characters. I really don't see the argument that people shouldn't be able to have any effect because they are new as holding any water at all. On the contrary, they should have an effect. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:46:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:So, this is a thread full of elite PvPers complaining about people having found counters to their tactics. Of course, it would be nice if everyone would just offer themselves up on a plate to their betters but some people are going to, you know, not want to die.
There is an easy answer to stabs. Simply fit more points. But most of the elite guys don't want to do that because they don't want to gimp their own fits. Unfortunately, though, that's what it comes down to - you have to make choices. There are means at your disposal to defeat these tactics but you don't want to take advantage of them because that will stop you doing other things that you like to do. Tough. You can't have everything and you can't expect the game to be designed to force everyone to play in the style that suits you.
As to cloaks, the issue here is no different than it is anywhere else in the game. Cloaky guys are hard to kill. Like anyone else in the game going up against cloaks, you have to live with that. Cloaky ships cannot run down timers with the cloak activated so if you force someone to cloak you can sit in the plex and run down the timer yourself. Well done, you have won that battle and neutralised his ability to pursue control of the warzone. No real problem (unless of course you just want to kill things and don't really want to sit around running the timer down?).
You're making too much sense with you logic and reasoning! This is GD, FFS. Go back to MD |
Anomaly One
109
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:50:00 -
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Cloak and stabz, cloak and stabz.. ooh stabilizers Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4
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Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:55:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:So, this is a thread full of elite PvPers complaining about people having found counters to their tactics. Of course, it would be nice if everyone would just offer themselves up on a plate to their betters but some people are going to, you know, not want to die.
There is an easy answer to stabs. Simply fit more points. But most of the elite guys don't want to do that because they don't want to gimp their own fits. Unfortunately, though, that's what it comes down to - you have to make choices. There are means at your disposal to defeat these tactics but you don't want to take advantage of them because that will stop you doing other things that you like to do. Tough. You can't have everything and you can't expect the game to be designed to force everyone to play in the style that suits you.
As to cloaks, the issue here is no different than it is anywhere else in the game. Cloaky guys are hard to kill. Like anyone else in the game going up against cloaks, you have to live with that. Cloaky ships cannot run down timers with the cloak activated so if you force someone to cloak you can sit in the plex and run down the timer yourself. Well done, you have won that battle and neutralised his ability to pursue control of the warzone. No real problem (unless of course you just want to kill things and don't really want to sit around running the timer down?).
Just wanted to emphasis that last part there so hopefully some whiners can see. They've complained about these "farmers" not caring about the WZ and faction control. But if these guys in FW go to a plex and target cloaks up, then run off without running timer themselves just to look for a fight in another plex (thereby abandoning the plex and its control if closed) then they also don't care about the WZ and control for their side.
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