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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:58:00 -
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I just hope someone makes a new Vampire the Masquerade game eventually. I'm not really surprised about CCP canning WoD. In what 5 or 6 years they couldn't even produce a single screenshot. I wish CCP would abandon everything besides EVE and just focus on the core gameplay of that. Seriously, it's the only thing they're awesome at. CCP should also apologize for Dust. They need to come together and address their entire EVE playerbase and admit they were stupid for even thinking of Dust and the way it was implemented. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Amber Kurvora
122
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:05:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:I just hope someone makes a new Vampire the Masquerade game eventually. I'm not really surprised about CCP canning WoD. In what 5 or 6 years they couldn't even produce a single screenshot. I wish CCP would abandon everything besides EVE and just focus on the core gameplay of that. Seriously, it's the only thing they're awesome at. CCP should also apologize for Dust. They need to come together and address their entire EVE playerbase and admit they were stupid for even thinking of Dust and the way it was implemented.
To their credit, at least they tried to do something different. Problem being they'd had very little experience with making FPSes and it shows. Heck, Eve itself goes to show that CCP aren't known for making polished, user friendly games, and they normally take time to mature. The real issue comes with their choice of format - putting it on a console that's coming to the end of it's shelf life is just a bad, bad idea. Sure the user base is going to be large, but that user is base is known for moving onto the next shiny thing that comes their way. If they'd produced it on the Pc then it would have been likely to last as long as Eve itself lasted, and none of the trouble of getting two different programming languages to communicate.
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Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
199
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:14:00 -
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**** happens guys, it's business. They are in the line of work where they will not struggle for long before finding new employment.
Those people suggesting "plex for ccp" can truly suck a nut |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
199
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:15:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:I just hope someone makes a new Vampire the Masquerade game eventually. I'm not really surprised about CCP canning WoD. In what 5 or 6 years they couldn't even produce a single screenshot. I wish CCP would abandon everything besides EVE and just focus on the core gameplay of that. Seriously, it's the only thing they're awesome at. CCP should also apologize for Dust. They need to come together and address their entire EVE playerbase and admit they were stupid for even thinking of Dust and the way it was implemented.
Brutal but true |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
598
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:36:00 -
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sad but probably necessary. In a perfect world, bringing the CCP's particular brand of grimdark sandbox gameplay to a vampire MMO would be pretty cool. But, I think most of us who remember the purchase of White Wolf also remember our collective incredulity as well. Between Eve, Valkyrie, Eve in other media such as Chronicles and True Stories, and Dust, CCP has enough on their plate. And I'm not among the "kill Dust" crowd either. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
374
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:40:00 -
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My question is....
If the rumor that CCP is/was producing WoD as part of their contractual obligations as part of the WW purchase is true.... does failure to deliver mean that WW reverts to the original shareholders?
If so that could be very expensive.
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
103
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:42:00 -
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Whatever the business decision behind it, is a horrible thing to happen to anybody especially at Christmas. Here is hoping those affected by the lay off have a good package and good luck in finding work elsewhere.
_____________________________________ Start wide, expand further, and never look back
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
763
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Posted - 2013.12.12 17:00:00 -
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Credit travels up Blame travels down
Expected something different? |
Tabra Penken
Nexus Incorporated
26
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:24:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Thead Enco wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Considering WOD was featured prominently as part of the CCP line up (EVE, DUST, VALKYRIE, WOD) in their latest video I kinda seriously doubt they suddenly decided to stop development. They did base the development out of the Atlanta office. Would not be the first time they did a 180 with marketing. Anything is possible of course, but the only reason WOD would be dropped is if they ran into a technical limitation that was insurmountable... which is highly unlikely. You mean like their complete inability to come up with any fix for lag, other than lag for everyone?
Since most lag is client side anyway would be hard for CCP to "fix" it to start with
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Tabra Penken
Nexus Incorporated
26
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:30:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:What does Christmas have to do with anything? If these people had no savings and could only afford presents if their check clears in time then they couldn't afford presents at all. Whether they were laid off now or in June their income is gone just the same. If they live paycheck to paycheck then that is their choice and should not be a consideration of CCP or any other company when these kinds of decisions must be made. Wow, you are seriously some kind of humanitarian. I bet you think that sending all those clothing mfg jobs to Bangladesh is a sign of great largesse by big business, not some money grab on the backs of the most desperate. Do you also believe that by eliminating unemployment payouts you are helping those people by "encouraging" them to find work as soon as possible?
A business any business has one and only one goal and that's to make a profit. It is not nor has it ever been to provide people with jobs
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
505
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:56:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:CCP should also apologize for Dust. They need to come together and address their entire EVE playerbase and admit they were stupid for even thinking of Dust and the way it was implemented.
I agree. They apologized for WiS and stopped wasting time on it and they should do the same with Dust. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
4107
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:58:00 -
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Theres a rumor i lke Cake, and possibly Battleships too. Zimmy Zeta -I f*cking love martinis.the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:07:00 -
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Good luck and all the best to those who have lost their job. |
Revman Zim
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
208
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:41:00 -
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I just want to comment on the TIMING of the layoffs.
I work for a global electronics company based in Amsterdam (google it, there is only one) and EVERY year there are layoffs at the end of December. It has nothing to do with the Sky Fairy's birthday and everything to do with End of Quarter and End of Year financials.
I believe this year the noticies will go out on the evening of the 20th this year, last year it was the 22nd. So pretty much the weekend before a major holiday. It is nothing personal, just business.
They have these reports that investors and other businesses look at to determine the health of a company. It also affects stock price and credit worthiness. These are important things to keep a company running.
And if you are in a position that could be considered "not profitable", you had better have a good resume and have already started networking well before the official notification.
Just thought I would add my 2 cents. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
764
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:43:00 -
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Congratulations and Merry Christmas... Good luck in the next company you do a crap job in. PS, please apply to Nokia, Microsoft, Google, Facebook or something like that, we could do with a shake up in the market. |
Victor Amarrius
Shigesaki Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.12.12 23:01:00 -
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EVE dying? No.
Dust514 dying? Hopefully. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
679
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Posted - 2013.12.12 23:03:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:So when is WoD going to finally be shuttered, and efforts redirected to EVE, Dust 514 and Valkyrie?
It seems that CCP will do anything but invest in eve. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
201
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Posted - 2013.12.12 23:13:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:So when is WoD going to finally be shuttered, and efforts redirected to EVE, Dust 514 and Valkyrie? It seems that CCP will do anything but invest in eve.
Are you shitting me?...
This is like the 4th or 5th successful expansion, that has added content to the game IN A ROW... you are either too new, or a complete troll.
EVE is now the SECOND MMO IN THE WORLD to offer a full DirectX 11 engine upgrade, the first was World of Warcraft.
EVE and WoW, the only MMOs worth a damn, coincidence that they are the ones being maintained? Thank You Obama! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.12.12 23:40:00 -
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White Wolf LARP (Vampire and Werewolf) locally is a strange and somewhat sad phenomena. Here it is played by incompetent gamers who cannot act running around attacking each other with plastic swords and reciting monologues. Everyone in the group seems at some stage to have dated everyone else (of either gender in some cases) and they all take it far to seriously with some of the local players even taking court orders out against each other claiming they are being intimidated.
Odd stuff ... presumable on a global basis it is not quite so dysfunctional .. but meh ... |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
376
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Posted - 2013.12.12 23:49:00 -
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Skill Training Online wrote: Are you shitting me?...
This is like the 4th or 5th successful expansion, that has added content to the game IN A ROW... you are either too new, or a complete troll.
STO, maybe you're just too new to remember this but the last 4-5 expansions have been a pale shadow of what came before.
Further:
Crucible: T2 rigs, New BCs
Inferno: Nada. Was almost entirely about reblancing and alterations.
Retribution: Four new Dessies and a frig
Odyssey: New Exploration sites, Navy BCs.
Rubicon: three new deployables, a rare new type of scan site, and two ships. Maybe 3 if they ever figure out the SoE BB.
Compared to such older expansions as...
RMR: 23 new ships
Exodus: POS, Deadspace, Alliances, and quite a few ships IIRC.
Trinity: graphics engine update, 20 new ships,
Liek the woman in that old Commercial used to ask:
"Where's the Beef?'
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
817
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:05:00 -
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Davon Mandra'thin wrote: It wasn't in fashion when CCP started developing it. World of Darkness is a huge franchise, based off a pen and paper game much in the same way that Dungeons and Dragons games are. In fact, if you had to ask people for two Pen and Paper franchises off the top of their head it would be "Dungeons and Dragons" and "World of Darkness", probably in that order... Fall out may make it in between those two.. not sure.
Now if you had to ask people about a single Pen and Paper franchise most people would just look confused and then evaluated if you where dangerous to their person or just a bit strange.
Those who know about one would state D'n'D and the majority would recall it as a fad back in the eighties known for the rumours related to satanism and teenagers committing suicide.
I know WoD, and I've played various variants for many years.
But calling it a "huge franschise" is just ridiculous ... CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:42:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote: It wasn't in fashion when CCP started developing it. World of Darkness is a huge franchise, based off a pen and paper game much in the same way that Dungeons and Dragons games are. In fact, if you had to ask people for two Pen and Paper franchises off the top of their head it would be "Dungeons and Dragons" and "World of Darkness", probably in that order... Fall out may make it in between those two.. not sure.
Now if you had to ask people about a single Pen and Paper franchise most people would just look confused and then evaluated if you where dangerous to their person or just a bit strange. Those who know about one would state D'n'D and the majority would recall it as a fad back in the eighties known for the rumours related to satanism and teenagers committing suicide. I know WoD, and I've played various variants for many years. But calling it a "huge franschise" is just ridiculous ...
The heyday of D&D in terms of player participation was actually more the early 2000s.
The in the mid 2000s WoC dropped the ball with 4th Edition D&D (Devs ignoring player advice and sticking to their own vision) which crashed and burned badly.
The playerbase moved wholesale to what was basically a 3rd Edition D&D system known as Pathfinder.
Now ... here is the interesting bit. Pathfinder is being developed as an online MMORPG which pretty much is using the EVE skill and training system with a few minor tweaks. There are minor differences for example if your skill queue is empty the points just accumulate for you to use late.
Pathfinder Online will basically be EVE in a D&D/fantasy setting, but is not being developed by CCP at all:
https://goblinworks.com/ http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/licensees/pathfinderOnline |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
817
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:08:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: The heyday of D&D in terms of player participation was actually more the early 2000s.
The in the mid 2000s WoC dropped the ball with 4th Edition D&D (Devs ignoring player advice and sticking to their own vision) which crashed and burned badly.
The playerbase moved wholesale to what was basically a 3rd Edition D&D system known as Pathfinder.
You are missing my point.
The number of people who have any idea of what D&D is, much less any idea of the editions and of other companies involved are a very small group of people.
A very nice group of people, and dare I even say a very smart and intelligent group of people (at least that's how we like to see ourself).
But still a very limited market ;)
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
72
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:41:00 -
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While layoffs of any kind really suck and I feel bad for those affected....I sure hope any layoffs were strictly on the DUST side. That game is a spiraling failure, if they have to make budget cuts, it should be there. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17712
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Posted - 2013.12.13 02:00:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:[quote=Hasikan Miallok] You are missing my point.
The number of people who have any idea of what D&D is, much less any idea of the editions and of other companies involved are a very small group of people.
A very nice group of people, and dare I even say a very smart and intelligent group of people (at least that's how we like to see ourself).
But still a very limited market ;) GǪso, much like Warcraft, then.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.12.13 02:23:00 -
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When you waste millions of $$$ on a game that doesn't even compete with the original Halo alpha version this is what happens. When you let assholes dictate EVERY aspect of the game in the game this is what happens. When you bring in EA guy, this is what happens.
CCP. Here is some pro advice. Focus on EVE. Bring the hammer down on hisec gankers who luv to masquerade as 'pro-pvpers' while committing acts of non-consensual pvp. Make them have REAL consequences. Take 2 ******* guns off of the Catalyst.
I've been calling for REAL consequences for years while warning of this exact thing.
Make sovereignty mean something more than playing virtual hotel manager.
Fix lag ffs.
Let the dicks run New Eden and CCP will not exist much longer. You can go back to creating lame board games like whatever the hell that one's called that came with the ridiculously overpriced 10-year pack.
It's not too late to correct course. But your time is limited. |
Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
201
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Posted - 2013.12.13 02:26:00 -
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You seem to have short term memory loss, the universe now exists in 3 dimensions, you warp directly to the star gates in-game, the V3 was completed on the entire series which was a larger project than even Trinity.
You forgot the faction Super carrier, the massive PVE content required to create it, and it's fighters.
You forgot to mention the complete overhaul of every exploration site.
You forgot to mention the exploration system redesign.
You forgot to mention the removal of RMT. (Almost Entirely)
You forgot to mention the removal of Botting (Almost Entirely)
You forgot to mention the hundreds of ships that were not useful balanced back into the meta.
You forgot the revolutionary creation of time dilation.
You forgot Planetary Interaction
You forgot POCOs
You forgot Dust514 integration.
YOU FORGOT DUST514... another LINKED game with hundreds of hours of game play.
YOU FORGOT 6VDT, NEVER FORGET! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9x8eYjUQzg
You have massive short-term memory loss. The Good old days were good, but CCP has been loyal to it's customers for years now (July 2011, we are well past July 2013).
The Goold Old Days have come again, EVE's second decade is looking at least as revolutionary as it's first.
Thank You Obama! |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
818
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Posted - 2013.12.13 02:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:so, much like Warcraft, then. And how many of the people who are playing warcraft has any idea of the pen and paper game behind it? ;) CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
800
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Posted - 2013.12.13 03:03:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote: CCP. Here is some pro advice. Focus on EVE. Bring the hammer down on hisec gankers who luv to masquerade as 'pro-pvpers' while committing acts of non-consensual pvp. Make them have REAL consequences. Take 2 ******* guns off of the Catalyst.
We'll just bring more catas mate. We adapt. We survive. You die. You cry.
I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2814
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Posted - 2013.12.13 03:09:00 -
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I think you need to read that article. WoD and DUST. 15 people.
Dust is still no bueno (I think)... think I'll log in tonight and see what the new update had in it.
EvE is actually looking like it's back on track, imho. We'll see but Rubicon was the best since Apocrypha imho. I don't think an "EvE is dieing" thread really fits atm. Things are going pretty well...
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