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Jimblob
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Posted - 2006.03.08 22:49:00 -
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ask ccp to make billboard space available for in game corp adverts and then give you billboard time in exchange for being pioneers...
worth a try.
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2006.03.09 02:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Jimblob
ask ccp to make billboard space available for in game corp adverts and then give you billboard time in exchange for being pioneers...
worth a try.
Wow, we've been trying to do this for awhile now, since before the BMBE was even imagined. It's something that CCP have let slip too readily, pssobily for good reasons.
One being the simple fact that Eve is beautiful, and they would probaly, and more than likely, need to assign a full-time design team to turn our miserly pieces of advertising into acceptable artwork. No one wants to fly along and see '1 sell t3h V3lat0r Ch33p!1!!!1111' in space.
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Silent Bruce
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Posted - 2006.03.09 04:02:00 -
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Are bounties a way of discouraging default? Surely someone who's spent months skilling up a char won't want a big price on their head.
Just a noob trying to make sense of this.
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Jimblob
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Posted - 2006.03.09 16:10:00 -
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I was originally going to say that the BMBE model must be secure in that nobody has tried to scam the system.
While faction ships and module prices are volatile, it may be worth including them as possible collateral. On the other hand the prices of these items will only ever go down as more players reach a point where they can get hold of them through effort rather than just buying the things. Loans based on faction items / ships could be for approx 50% of current market value and have to be approved by someone in authority. may work.
Bounty on a defaulter doesn't discourage defaulting. The bountied character just has to gain a bounty that offsets the cost of their clone + 100k to install a jumpclone and everything above that is profit. It's not possible to place a bounty on someone with a security status of higher than -1, so that won't work. A private bounty may work.
I'd say just keep advertising, keep working on the website (as long as it's a fun passtime) and see how things pan out with Kali contracts system.
Banks are long term investments / projects. The investors should have been aware of that whether it was stated or not.
Keep up the good work TornSoul.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kaaii on 09/03/2006 22:16:21
Link me the site Torn..
I'll try it out.
/edit Are you looking for investors(bankers?) or customers to loan money to?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 09/03/2006 23:52:34
Thanks.
Fixed
(case of too long a string variable... Damn them item names can get long...)
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Currently looking for customers.
The BMBE got oodles of ISK ready to lend (50B ISK worth... Just sitting there... It's nearly a crime)
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Renshu
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:12:00 -
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If you are prepared to take on big factional/T2 BPO items for loans, you can add a host of profitable services that would support your loan service eg.
The BMBE Price check
- Customers pay a reasonable fee to get a price check of the item.
- This price check is not a mere price check as it is also an offer to buy the item at that price.
- The customer could then arrange a loan, use the "price check offer" as the reserve price in their own auction or ask BMBE to publicly auction the item for them or sell the item to BMBE immediately at the check price.
- BMBE auctions charge an additional percentage of the sale price but save the customer the hassle of running an auction and are more likely to attract interest and serious bids - bidders know the item is held by a trusted party with no messing about.
- The price check info would come from trusted parties such as big traders, industrial corps or Alliances wanting the items, that would pre-bid on your web site for items they wanted in a "hidden trusted parties market", agreeing to pay if BMBE could obtain the item at that price. BMBE would get a percentage for obtaining the item at that price. The trusted parties should be anonymous to each other in this bidding to make it competitive. That would also enable them to sell items via it as well as buy if there were enough bids to preserve offers for the price check customers. The trusted parties market can work much like the Eve market with buy orders (perhaps requiring trusted parties to escrow some isk with BMBE in case they default on a buy offer). Trusted parties should only see the markets for items they have made bids/offers.The price check info just comes from the buy offers on this market.
- Buy offers on the trusted market would be liable for a fixed time (eg. week, month), that could be quoted. When a customer is given a price check, he would pay an additional holding fee to keep the price offer for the time required for loans/auctions etc. That could flag the offer as held in the trusted parties market to avoid a price being offered more often than could be honoured. The holding fee might need to be shared with the trusted party making the offer depending on how liquid the market is. You could also refund/credit the customer some of the holding fee, for cancelling their hold of a price check if no longer required, so that it can be made available for new price checks.
- BMBE can easily sell items to the trusted market if loan customers default on their loan and has a market to value them for loans.
So BMBE would start to operate it's own market even getting fees from the price check enquiries. All in addition to the existing loans idea.
It would be important to keep the price check info hidden from the public unless they pay for an individual check though the price check info would change dynamically with the trusted market. Trusted parties should only see the items in which they are participating and probably need restrictions on cancelling bids or keeping silly low bids to gain info on other bids. Of course they might no longer be trusted if they abused the market. Only start this with a few popular items adding to them gradually. The site can have a list of what it offers price checks on.
I'd suggest BMBE auctions be done on the actual Eve site for maximum visibility, but agree some "trade mark" in the title with Forum moderators to stop scamming. Each auction would have a link to a list of the auctions on the BMBE web site to make it easy for people to find the current auctions in the Eve forums.
I'm sure the above raises lots of questions, but hopefully adds some ideas. If BMBE can capture part of the Eve market the shares should be worth having ! |
Vestalia Gaea
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Renshu
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There are some nice ideas here. Personally i'm new, but I would very much like to see the first operational bank in eve, and in the future i'll probably use it when I build up some assets of my own. And yes I would be much more likely to give t2 items and BPOs as collateral than items based on their mineral value.
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:00:00 -
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The Pawn Broker Model (because that is what this is) is an excellent one to apply in EvE since pawn brokers have historically always been able to operate in the most lawless of societies, based on their characteristic witholding of customers' pledges.
However, for you to succeed, your offer must be attractive to potential customers.
This will only be the case if you are able to lend money based on the market value of customers' pledges rather than their much lower base value.
Of course, this requires that you have sufficient expert knowledge to be able to correctly appraise items offered as pledges.
As an example, customer A may decide to apply for a loan based upon a spare Gila faction cruiser they have in their hangar.
By your present model, customer A will only be offered a loan equivalent to the maximum value of the minerals contained in a Gila, ~= 10 million ISK.
Gila faction cruisers have a stable market value of 60 million ISK (+or- 10 million ISK), so customer A may rightly feel that a maximum loan of 10 million is something of an insult.
Applying a correct pawn broker model, your appraisal expert should be able to value the Gila, as I have explained, and offer customer A a minimum loan of around 50 million ISK.
Needless to say, this level of loan would be far more attractive, while still presenting limited risk for the lender.
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Zachios Primos
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:08:00 -
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TS I have an idea for you, I'll evemail you when i am in game, perhaps we can work something out if you are interested
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Zooish
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:23:00 -
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Been away for sometime and just woundered if the Big Merchant Bank has got off the starting block yet
and started lending ....
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Arimai
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Arimai on 21/03/2006 18:26:57
Originally by: Renshu
The BMBE Price check
Very good idea :)
Oh and for the person suggesting that NAGA built items of the t2 bpo's...
I think *cough* that BIG also has a very nice t2 production department. Perhaps even bigger then NAGA if you talk about BIG-owned bpo's compared to what NAGA owns.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2006.03.21 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 21/03/2006 23:03:19
Just a FYI - I follow this thread, and read all the ideas, just dont have time to adress them all atm.
It's also possible to discuss all things BMBE on the BMBE Forum
(it's a public forum on the BIG forum specifically made for the BMBE)
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2006.03.23 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Serenity Steele on 23/03/2006 11:50:32
Edit: Hyperlinked URLS
First and Foremost I'd like to congratulate Torn Soul and BIG for getting Eve's first Merchant bank built, established and a succesful IPO to raise the funds.
It's always an exciting challenge to break new ground in Eve, and with all aspects of Emergent Play, it takes a lot of effort to pull the people and plan together, build it, educate the market and make it a success.
Having been beaten to the post by a few weeks on establishing an ISS Financial Services, I've taken the liberty of contributing to the big forums a number of urgent and critical actions that I believe are key to making the BMBE a commercial success.
As I'm sure BIG are aware, 'Build it and they will come' is a dead analogy of the Internet Bubble era, so it's time to work smart and not hard!
So ... I'd like to invite all fellow shareholders (and potential borrowers) to join me there by bringing their ideas to the BIG forums and discuss them in a structured maner. I know I can be hard to grab in-game, but forum activity I have more time for, so see you there. :)
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2006.03.23 20:17:00 -
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Thank you very very much for the feedback Serenity!!!
As Serenity points out some Case Studies / Examples on Site / Forums are needed for the BMBE.
We could need a bit of inspiration there in fact - So please head over and drop your ideas.
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Also feel free to drop by with any other ideas/suggestions/complaints you might have - It's a forum specifically intended for the BMBE.
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Nessiwuem
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Posted - 2006.03.24 15:10:00 -
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Since we are trying to make thing realistic, with the bank, shares etc. why not institute a law, and then i mean tort law, with the occasional security rights, so then you can sell the items, even though they have been burdened by a security. And institute courts to uphold it:) it's going to be even safer then in real life because of the ability to keep public registry on all goods.
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Elange4
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Posted - 2006.03.25 07:20:00 -
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Tornsoul,
I have been absent the forums for a while, but would like to join your discussion; unfortunately the Big site linked will not let me register - I mention it here, cause I figure I am prolly not the only one...
Welcome to the fray Serenity 8)
--Elange4
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2006.03.26 04:33:00 -
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If you use Norton, it'll have a problem with registering you on our forums.
It'll also hog your system resources, cause you untold migraines, and possibly take your first born.
Get in touch with me in-game and I'll try help you through it. Or disable it during registration if you do indeed run Norton.
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Elange4
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Posted - 2006.03.29 21:31:00 -
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TornSoul and the Investing Community:
On BMBE's Prospects...
I think it is important for people to remember that a "corporation" as founded over 500 years ago was to syndicalize risk; to build a pool bigger and safer than the owners/investors they themselves could manage; often to finance multiple ventures of a risky nature, so that should one fail, the others would still be viable.
What this means for BMBE, is that the reasons for the pool are still integrally valid - it is intact but for a few (small) expenses and the intent to turn profits only available to a large capital resevoir is still the primary purpose.
In fact, BMBE's potential grows daily (not a shameless plug) due to the fleshing out of the capital and IPO markets that is occuring. Sometimes the best opportunity IS to wait for the market to present itself.
Most of us who have invested can afford the investment still - 50 mil was an appropriate hurdle to keep the less established investors from crippling themselves with undue burden... if you thought the idea of 5% weekly profit was sound, then I am sure that the two months involved has not cost you too dearly.
Personally, I believe that the t2 BPO Market is an oppropriate venue to look towards loaning to; but that is just my humble opinion.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2006.03.30 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Elange4
Personally, I believe that the t2 BPO Market is an oppropriate venue to look towards loaning to; but that is just my humble opinion.
--Elange4
It would seem that the t2 buyers are thinking the same 
Theres been some inqueries as to what would be possible etc.
More on this when the second shareholder report will be posted in a weeks time.
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Elange4
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Elange4 on 06/04/2006 03:36:20
Thanks Ray, problem solved: yes I am a computer idiot, but TornSoul & co. talk to me anyway.
To join the discusion at an important time in the development of the financial markets in/for eve, try out the BIG forum site, and also look at the Trader's Academy forums.
Also, keep watching the IPO's and Market Discussions here; it's all so wide open there's real money to be made quick, but caution and pragmatism are the call-signs for businessmen that even Socrates drew attention to.
Heed them.
--Elange4
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Callie Nefarious
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Posted - 2006.04.07 23:42:00 -
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Whens the next report due?
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.04.08 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Callie Nefarious
Whens the next report due?
I'd like to know this too please.
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Originally by: Tuxford
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Elange4
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Posted - 2006.04.08 16:31:00 -
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Excelsior and Callie,
Ray has posted to the BIG Forums, and says it should be "sometime this weekend" - so, it will be soon.
Apparently there has been some shake-up in the business plan - TornSoul & co. have the financial acumen and fortitude to work it til it works...
PM me ingame if you'd like to talk about BMBE or the finacial markets. Im just a small stake holder (in BMBE), but I'm actively involved in the market's developments.
--Cheers
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:31:00 -
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Well it's Wednesday and I still don't see any report. Having invested a lot of ISK in this I really would want to know how progress is going  .
Anyone know what is happening?
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Originally by: Tuxford
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2006.04.13 17:37:00 -
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I've been away for a few days, so not had a chance to chat with TornSoul.
He is kinda busy IRL, and I think he was waiting for a few things to fall into place before making the post.
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.04.14 13:57:00 -
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provide links to a webpage that has all the info and stuff please...
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-Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2006.04.14 21:51:00 -
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(#2 - 2006.03) BMBE Shareholder Report is finally ready.
My apologies for the very long delay on this.... But RL simply hasnt left me much time as of late.
For general information about the BMBE : BMBE website
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Zorael
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Posted - 2006.05.24 22:35:00 -
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I was just looking at investments and wanted to see what playing the stockmarket was like. I dont know if this would be a vialable way to hold colateral or not. If colateral for a ship or ships for example where insured under your corp insurance and was lost wouldnt you recieve the isk as a corp. I know its not perfect and there are ways around it I guess just wondering if this could be useful.
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