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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
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Posted - 2013.12.15 09:59:00 -
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I see some people talking about immersion and reality in EVE.
Something that has occurred to me is the fate of the ship's crews when a capsuleer is podded.
Now as far as I know the crews have neither pods or clones so when a ship is destroyed they get killed.
I realise that crews play no actual part in EVE and are expendible, but should immersion and reality not make their terrible fate of consequence? I mean if you were a crewman for hire would you not check the kill status of a potential employer? I know I would, and if said employer had a history of losing ships would you be willing to sign-on with them?
I know EVE is only a game but just to have crewmen signing on like lemmimgs to a known suicide ganker just strikes me as odd and neither immersive or real. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1231
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Posted - 2013.12.15 10:03:00 -
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They actually have escape pods that we cannot see, but not nearly everyone makes it out alive.
Everyone working in the center of the somewhat bigger ships has no chance to make it out alive. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
950
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Posted - 2013.12.15 10:17:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:I see some people talking about immersion and reality in EVE.
Something that has occurred to me is the fate of the ship's crews when a capsuleer is podded.
Now as far as I know the crews have neither pods or clones so when a ship is destroyed they get killed.
I realise that crews play no actual part in EVE and are expendible, but should immersion and reality not make their terrible fate of consequence? I mean if you were a crewman for hire would you not check the kill status of a potential employer? I know I would, and if said employer had a history of losing ships would you be willing to sign-on with them?
I know EVE is only a game but just to have crewmen signing on like lemmimgs to a known suicide ganker just strikes me as odd and neither immersive or real.
We pay them a lot. Lorewise, IIRC, a dirtsider could retire and live comfortably for life on around 150ISK.
Think RL. How many people do you think would take the following deal: "50million USD to make one trip. You've got a 50% chance of death, but if you die, we'll give the cash to your family."
That's the deal we give our crew, and since we only really need them for menial crap anyway....grab the broke and desperate. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Digital Messiah
Digital Alchemist Abandon PlayGrounds
345
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Posted - 2013.12.15 10:40:00 -
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According to the lore they die. But the general population numbers are never really given. And with an enitre galaxies worth of planets im sure there is more than enough for the very limited number of capsuleers that exist. not to mention they would die in non capsuleer ships fighting for their empires anyways. Something clever |
Angelica Dreamstar
Desperate Desire Inc.
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Posted - 2013.12.15 10:44:00 -
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They fly, they cry, they die! |
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.15 10:51:00 -
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These might be of interest to you...
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hands_of_a_Killer_(Chronicle) https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ship_crew |
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ISD Tipene
ISD STAR
33
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Posted - 2013.12.15 11:05:00 -
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This might also be worth a read
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_Crew_Guidelines
This also gives an indication of the percent of crew likelly to survive a ship destruction per class. |
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Vidua Arte Album
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:28:00 -
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Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.
They hire up knowing they can die. |
Amber Kurvora
128
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:36:00 -
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Yep, every time a ship goes down that's larger than a shuttle, there's probably someone going down with it. |
Othran
Route One
623
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:44:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:They actually have escape pods that we cannot see, but not nearly everyone makes it out alive.
Speak for yourself, I stripped them off my ship for a bit more speed. Concentrates their minds too |
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
694
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:54:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Jaxon Grylls wrote:I see some people talking about immersion and reality in EVE.
Something that has occurred to me is the fate of the ship's crews when a capsuleer is podded.
Now as far as I know the crews have neither pods or clones so when a ship is destroyed they get killed.
I realise that crews play no actual part in EVE and are expendible, but should immersion and reality not make their terrible fate of consequence? I mean if you were a crewman for hire would you not check the kill status of a potential employer? I know I would, and if said employer had a history of losing ships would you be willing to sign-on with them?
I know EVE is only a game but just to have crewmen signing on like lemmimgs to a known suicide ganker just strikes me as odd and neither immersive or real. We pay them a lot. Lorewise, IIRC, a dirtsider could retire and live comfortably for life on around 150ISK. Think RL. How many people do you think would take the following deal: "50million USD to make one trip. You've got a 50% chance of death, but if you die, we'll give the cash to your family." That's the deal we give our crew, and since we only really need them for menial crap anyway....grab the broke and desperate.
I always thought that crews were made of free bio-mass from stations (low grade clones), and that their unique mental patterns were included in the ship's blueprint. Effectively you have a crew of clones which guarantees uniform ship performance from hull to hull. Plus they are simply tools, expendable with no previous knowledge of their other copies activities, maybe their originals are living it up on some paradise world somewhere with all of the isk they made after having a soft scan of their minds. It would fit with eve, being a dark and dystopian universe in which the value of human life is actually zero.
A lot of people would go for that deal, and be uncaring that multiple copies of themselves are dying horrible deaths every single day in their allotted crew position. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
694
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:58:00 -
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Vidua Arte Album wrote:Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.
They hire up knowing they can die.
Your latin bears no resemblance to your statement in English.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/A/ActusReusNonFacitReumNisiMensSitRea.aspx
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Vidua Arte Album
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.12.15 13:28:00 -
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Did not try to provide a translation. I simply don't feel guilty about them willingly risking their lives.
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cynthia greythorne
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
35
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Posted - 2013.12.15 14:07:00 -
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My crew consists of some humans, some Felis sapiens, and a few stowaway Homo rattus. The latter two groups have never suffered a loss, being prescient. Their little pods zip away, always just in time. Everyone else dies, I imagine.
And I see that many of you suffer from the delusion that EVE is 'only a game'. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
695
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Posted - 2013.12.15 14:09:00 -
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Vidua Arte Album wrote:Did not try to provide a translation. I simply don't feel guilty about them willingly risking their lives.
So why the hell are you inserting random latin into your posts? It's not like it makes you look intelligent or anything, it's actually the opposite. If I just dropped a random sentence in English into my posts other people wouldn't think very highly of me would they. In fact lets give it a try.
Orange teddy bears aren't actually brown, not unless they intend to be brown that is... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Angelica Dreamstar
Desperate Desire Inc.
13
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Posted - 2013.12.15 14:10:00 -
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cynthia greythorne wrote:My crew consists of some humans, some Felis sapiens, and a few stowaway Homo rattus. The latter two groups have never suffered a loss, being prescient. Their little pods zip away, always just in time. Everyone else dies, I imagine. And I see that many of you suffer from the delusion that EVE is 'only a game'. Wannna see them escape from a disco... good luck with that! |
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
125
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Posted - 2013.12.15 14:15:00 -
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I fly a tech III ship.
Only me on board. it bends to my will which is why i suffer when it dies. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3784
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:57:00 -
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I've made "arrangements" with the local planetary prison wardens (see: I've bribed them to look the other way).
Basically... I'm allowed to send in a representative and offer the prisoners a deal;
- you will get a crash course in starship maintenance, repairs, and engineering. - you will be paid 50 ISK a month stipends. - you will be pardoned and your record expunged.
The catch? - survive two insurance cycles on my Tech 1 frigates, destroyers, and cruisers.
How do I keep them in check? - none of my Tech 1 frigates, destroyers, or cruisers have any escape pods fitted on them. - there are no space suits to be found anywhere on the ship. - my pod is sealed off from the rest of the ship. The only way to access it is through the pod ejection chute (which leads into space). - all navigation, sensors, communications, and other critical systems are on a closed feed system. Disruption of those systems in any way will initiate an automated depressurization and space venting of the section the disruption originates from.
Sure... I could automate some features and lessen the human error and loss of life... but given that a single Tech 1 frigate/destroyer/cruiser of mine has yet to survive more than ONE insurance cycle () I have found humans to be MUCH cheaper in bulk. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Charles Wu-Wong
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
30
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:22:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:They actually have escape pods that we cannot see, but not nearly everyone makes it out alive.
Everyone working in the center of the somewhat bigger ships has no chance to make it out alive.
Oh so THOSE were what those little pod things were.
Yeah, I took them out to fit a few more mag stabs. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
683
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:29:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:According to the lore they die. But the general population numbers are never really given. And with an enitre galaxies worth of planets im sure there is more than enough for the very limited number of capsuleers that exist. not to mention they would die in non capsuleer ships fighting for their empires anyways.
Yeah, but imagine if the captain of that ship can't die and would face no real reprimand for losing a ship (and it's crew). They'd be a lot more apt to take risks and lose ships (and crews). AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
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Slave A00073078
Northern Raven Reconnaissance Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:35:00 -
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Immortality has it's perks. Like the whole not dying thing. |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
32
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:45:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:According to the lore they die. But the general population numbers are never really given. And with an enitre galaxies worth of planets im sure there is more than enough for the very limited number of capsuleers that exist. not to mention they would die in non capsuleer ships fighting for their empires anyways.
You may be right about there being a lot of people in the EVE systems. I don't know about you but I'm the only me I have and even if there are lots to chose from surely they can't all have the tendencies of lemmings?
Apart from some people with strange attitudes no-one, surely, is that eager to die.
Thanks for all the contributions, they told me things I didn't know, but I just can't imagine these faceless, automatons where there should be living, sentient human beings.
Still I won't lose any sleep over it, I was just curious and a bit puzzled.
Thanks again. |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux Phobia.
283
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:51:00 -
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back in like 2005 each ship showed the amount of crew it had and when you died + podded the crew would also show up in space as corpses. lots and lots of corpses. |
Boomhaur
158
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:10:00 -
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I enslave the Ammar and force them to crew my ship. No Escape Pod, No Breaks, Just Service With A Smile. If they want to survive that is, I keep a cargo bay door to eject them from handy in every room and a self destruct button on me at all times. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Lailyana Enaka
Saved Before Death Industries
105
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Posted - 2013.12.15 23:36:00 -
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I use tourists, they want to see space, and take pictures and all kinds of nonsensse, but the unfortunate part is the pictures they have taken have never been seen by anybody else but themselves..right before my ship explodes |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.12.15 23:46:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Orange teddy bears aren't actually brown, not unless they intend to be brown that is...
Or if you are being all Post-Modern, are only brown when the viewer sees them as brown because no-one cares what the teddy bear thinks about the matter.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.12.15 23:47:00 -
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btw ... my crew have red shirts and have not been given names ... |
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