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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5304
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:14:00 -
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MestariBation wrote:baltec1 wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Oh I like this reply to Mittens: Some Bloke wrote:"bottom line anything that attempts to mitigate the CFCs number advantage is OP and unfair to the blob. We also are using the mechanic we whine about to show how OP it is but its not hypocritical because we are doing it ironically. We just want the mechanics that don't support us winning to be nerfed, so we can go back to feeling smug about our ability to beat everyone due to the overwhelming subcap advantage.
Seriously complaining about slowcats because you have trouble fighting them is like the hi-sec miners complaining about how easy it is to suicide gank." Riddle me this. If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand? Baltec fleet was the answer in Fountain, what has changed since? Sewers gone bad? read the linked TMC article again There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9044
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:14:00 -
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MestariBation wrote: Baltec fleet was the answer in Fountain, what has changed since? Sewers gone bad?
250 man sentry carrier fleets became a thing. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5304
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:15:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:What a whiny whiny whinefest that article is... Poor CFC can't wtfpwn N3 because they're using Slowcats.. lmao We can wreck the slowcats....the issue is that we kill the server before we reach critical mass. There is a big difference between a TEST slowcat fleet and a PL/NC. slow fleet under Erebus bonuses. Rekon X wrote:Null sec alliance war decing another null sec alliance is noting more than propaganda. But that is what mitten is all about.
Think they can do more than gank a hisec mission runner or a mining barge?
I doubt it. lol grrr Goon. remember, you can have a peaceful time farming as a progodlegend renter There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
MestariBation
Viziam Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:MestariBation wrote:baltec1 wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Oh I like this reply to Mittens: Some Bloke wrote:"bottom line anything that attempts to mitigate the CFCs number advantage is OP and unfair to the blob. We also are using the mechanic we whine about to show how OP it is but its not hypocritical because we are doing it ironically. We just want the mechanics that don't support us winning to be nerfed, so we can go back to feeling smug about our ability to beat everyone due to the overwhelming subcap advantage.
Seriously complaining about slowcats because you have trouble fighting them is like the hi-sec miners complaining about how easy it is to suicide gank." Riddle me this. If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand? Baltec fleet was the answer in Fountain, what has changed since? Sewers gone bad? read the linked TMC article again Are you crazy? Send me isk im poor |
ElQuirko
The Scope Gallente Federation
2769
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:MestariBation wrote: Baltec fleet was the answer in Fountain, what has changed since? Sewers gone bad?
250 man sentry carrier fleets became a thing. Bah, if you're going to ask me a question you could at least acknowledge my answer instead of the shidlorty one that hijacked it. Dodixie > Hek |
David Kir
Endless Winter Night The Kingdom of Heaven
371
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Riddle me this.
If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand?
A rather good chance, as long as they use the right tool, unlike the CFC did until now. That's a silly argument, numbers aren't always the deciding factor.
Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9044
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:21:00 -
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David Kir wrote:baltec1 wrote: Riddle me this.
If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand?
A rather good chance, as long as they use the right tool, unlike the CFC did until now. That's a silly argument, numbers aren't always the deciding factor.
Well lets look at this.
They are immune to any subcap fleet and they have the largest supercap fleet.
Who else has the power to stop them? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
ElQuirko
The Scope Gallente Federation
2769
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Well lets look at this.
They are immune to any subcap fleet and they have the largest supercap fleet.
Who else has the power to stop them? Bomber's Bar? Dodixie > Hek |
MestariBation
Viziam Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:David Kir wrote:baltec1 wrote: Riddle me this.
If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand?
A rather good chance, as long as they use the right tool, unlike the CFC did until now. That's a silly argument, numbers aren't always the deciding factor. Well lets look at this. They are immune to any subcap fleet and they have the largest supercap fleet. Who else has the power to stop them? Stop them doing what? Send me isk im poor |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Oh I like this reply to Mittens: Some Bloke wrote:"bottom line anything that attempts to mitigate the CFCs number advantage is OP and unfair to the blob. We also are using the mechanic we whine about to show how OP it is but its not hypocritical because we are doing it ironically. We just want the mechanics that don't support us winning to be nerfed, so we can go back to feeling smug about our ability to beat everyone due to the overwhelming subcap advantage.
Seriously complaining about slowcats because you have trouble fighting them is like the hi-sec miners complaining about how easy it is to suicide gank." Riddle me this. If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand?
And will the goon pets join in when it's obvious da goonz will let them fry if they get attacked.
Is anyone really that stupid? Definition of goon - a stupid person |
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David Kir
Endless Winter Night The Kingdom of Heaven
371
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:David Kir wrote:baltec1 wrote: Riddle me this.
If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand?
A rather good chance, as long as they use the right tool, unlike the CFC did until now. That's a silly argument, numbers aren't always the deciding factor. Well lets look at this. They are immune to any subcap fleet and they have the largest supercap fleet. Who else has the power to stop them?
a) They aren't immune to bombers, you won't break them but you'll stop them from dealing damage.
b) Not my issue.
That's not my point.
My point is that whining about a tactic that overcomes superior numbers is silly, and that is it. All you have to do is come up with a superior tactic, which is what the "train dreads" post is for.
As for the supercap superiority: you're the attacking party. Your industrial machine is intact, your carebears can do their thing freely. Build your own, use alliance funds to buy pilots. Problem solved.
Also, stop them doing...? Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5304
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:David Kir wrote:baltec1 wrote: Riddle me this.
If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand?
A rather good chance, as long as they use the right tool, unlike the CFC did until now. That's a silly argument, numbers aren't always the deciding factor. Well lets look at this. They are immune to any subcap fleet and they have the largest supercap fleet. Who else has the power to stop them? maybe they should have the power since they're the best at finding things to abuse then
why don't you blob 200 titans There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
ElQuirko
The Scope Gallente Federation
2771
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:maybe they should have the power since they're the best at finding things to abuse then
why don't you blob 200 titans Yo, no, that's not fair, RnK are pretty good. Or that time those goon guys did that thing with the economy where they made shitloads of money, I forget the details. Dodixie > Hek |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1470
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:46:00 -
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c u on teh battlefield m8s o7 |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
207
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:57:00 -
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Actually the fun part of this is, that if the two blocks go for it and lose massive amounts of strategic assets in major fights then this is a game changer, I can only hope that this happens, the game needs it... If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2774
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:57:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I mean, Goons and Russians have so much respect and love for each other and do not harbour any ill feelings at all towards each other We've been on good terms with the Russians since back in 2006 so I'm not sure really what you're getting at. Post on the Eve-o forums that drinking bleach is bad for you on a Goonswarm Federation character, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong. |
Othran
Route One
624
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:02:00 -
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Frankly nobody gives a **** apart from you and them.
OP should get hit with the banstick for being a fuckwit and posting it here though. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5304
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:04:00 -
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It's just goon tears and blobbers getting together to blob
nbd
Btw, if you guys make XL Artillery, might want to start counting your isk~ies There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:05:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I mean, Goons and Russians have so much respect and love for each other and do not harbour any ill feelings at all towards each other We've been on good terms with the Russians since back in 2006 so I'm not sure really what you're getting at.
And you've been right there beside them the last month. Definition of goon - a stupid person |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:09:00 -
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Every internet spaceships war is fought on three theatres: GÇó Morale and population metagame #1 GÇó Economy and logistics #2 GÇó Doctrines and skill level #3
Failure in any of these results in cascade of others, and when morale fails it takes a week for any entity to fold.
How will the slowcats be defeated? By making them show up less for fights. The Naglfar picture is only painted as a threatening scenario for that slowcat blob pilots, the Nag doctrine will probably never see the daylight because one day in the near future the slowcats will undock without the critical numbers to hold the spider up with good enough response. Then the morale spine cracks and N3 folds in a week.
Alternatively, the slowcats turn up with 300 every single undock and start to gain ground. No dread doctrine can reach the range of bouncer/warden with enough alpha. 140km - lol. My money is on the turn up f up though.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5304
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:10:00 -
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Miasmos wrote:Every internet spaceships war is fought on three theatres: GÇó Morale and population metagame #1 GÇó Economy and logistics #2 GÇó Doctrines and skill level #3
Failure in any of these results in cascade of others, and when morale fails it takes a week for any entity to fold.
How will the slowcats be defeated? By making them show up less for fights. The Naglfar picture is only painted as a threatening scenario for that slowcat blob pilots, the Nag doctrine will probably never see the daylight because one day in the near future the slowcats will undock without the critical numbers to hold the spider up with good enough response. Then the morale spine cracks and N3 folds in a week.
Alternatively, the slowcats turn up with 300 every single undock and start to gain ground. No dread doctrine can reach the range of bouncer/warden with enough alpha. 140km - lol. My money is on the turn up f up though. don't worry, they are elite pvp, they will survive There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
David Kir
Endless Winter Night The Kingdom of Heaven
372
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:10:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I mean, Goons and Russians have so much respect and love for each other and do not harbour any ill feelings at all towards each other We've been on good terms with the Russians since back in 2006 so I'm not sure really what you're getting at.
I have no business discussing this, but I just figured out I'd link you this stuff.
http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~840.htm http://www.eveinfo.net/wiki/inde~839.htm
Look at the "Relations".
It's post-2006, mind you. Try avoiding false statements. Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:12:00 -
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Miasmos wrote:Every internet spaceships war is fought on three theatres: GÇó Morale and population metagame #1 GÇó Economy and logistics #2 GÇó Doctrines and skill level #3
Failure in any of these results in cascade of others, and when morale fails it takes a week for any entity to fold.
How will the slowcats be defeated? By making them show up less for fights. The Naglfar picture is only painted as a threatening scenario for that slowcat blob pilots, the Nag doctrine will probably never see the daylight because one day in the near future the slowcats will undock without the critical numbers to hold the spider up with good enough response. Then the morale spine cracks and N3 folds in a week.
Alternatively, the slowcats turn up with 300 every single undock and start to gain ground. No dread doctrine can reach the range of bouncer/warden with enough alpha. 140km - lol. My money is on the turn up f up though.
More like goon pets are negotiating CFC space with N3 and PL right now. They will fold in on da goonz 'if' they start to war. Definition of goon - a stupid person |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
133
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:15:00 -
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You guys are making my Nyx all hot and bothered. |
David Kir
Endless Winter Night The Kingdom of Heaven
372
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:24:00 -
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WarFireV wrote:You guys are making my Nyx all hot and bothered.
Question: could you explain to a random subcap only pilot why do some of you supercap dudes use Hels?
Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:25:00 -
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Nvm |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
136
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:28:00 -
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David Kir wrote:WarFireV wrote:You guys are making my Nyx all hot and bothered. Question: could you explain to a random subcap only pilot why do some of you supercap dudes use Hels?
They look better than Aeons and Wyverns.
Edit: Just to add more basiclly this is how the chart goes
Nyx: Master Race Super Carrier
Aeon: Max Coward Super Carrier
Hel: Max Baller Super Carrier
Wyvern: Hippster Super Carrier |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
336
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:36:00 -
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26 Nag BPOs?
I hope that's some kind of typo or bad joke....
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:37:00 -
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What happened to the goonz propaganda machine? It was quite entertaining. Definition of goon - a stupid person |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
692
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:44:00 -
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David Kir wrote:baltec1 wrote:David Kir wrote:baltec1 wrote: Riddle me this.
If we cant kill it with our numbers what chance does anyone else stand?
A rather good chance, as long as they use the right tool, unlike the CFC did until now. That's a silly argument, numbers aren't always the deciding factor. Well lets look at this. They are immune to any subcap fleet and they have the largest supercap fleet. Who else has the power to stop them? a) They aren't immune to bombers, you won't break them but you'll stop them from dealing damage. b) Not my issue. That's not my point. My point is that whining about a tactic that overcomes superior numbers is silly, and that is it. All you have to do is come up with a superior tactic, which is what the "train dreads" post is for. As for the supercap superiority: you're the attacking party. Your industrial machine is intact, your carebears can do their thing freely. Build your own, use alliance funds to buy pilots. Problem solved. Also, stop them doing...?
Aren't immune to bombers? Have you any idea how many sentry drones fit in the 80,000m3 drone bay on an archon? I'll tell you its 3,200. Likewise at 7 bombs at a time you have NO chance of doing any appreciable to an Archon.
Also, supers and super pilots don't grow on trees. |
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