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Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
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Posted - 2013.12.15 18:48:00 -
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I was planning on introducing some new players to eve by running the angel epic arc. For myself I plan on training for interceptors on a new character with dual training, my friends have perhaps played for two weeks and they're aiming for them as well. We are considering FW after that, so I figured interceptors would work well there, but perhaps assault frigs would be a better choice?
Is the arc doable on pretty fresh characters? I've heard that they're meant for frigates/destroyers, but with approx 2mil sp you're a bit limited even when flying small ships, especially if you need to dump 1mil sp into racial frigs + evasive maneuvering, and on top of that, interceptors are pretty weak.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.15 19:07:00 -
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I remember it not being trivial in an interceptor. A newer player in an AF may or may not be able to solo it... Multiple new players in AFs would solo it just fine.
If you are helping them run the arc, then you will be similarly fine.
Keep in mind that running the arcs in group necessitates running the same mission of the arc once per player in order for everyone to get the rewards. |
Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:05:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:I remember it not being trivial in an interceptor. A newer player in an AF may or may not be able to solo it... Multiple new players in AFs would solo it just fine.
If you are helping them run the arc, then you will be similarly fine.
Keep in mind that running the arcs in group necessitates running the same mission of the arc once per player in order for everyone to get the rewards.
Perhaps AF would be safer although running a bigger risk for gate camps. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:59:00 -
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Interceptors have recently been buffed to be immune to Warp Bubbles and have very quick align and warp capability.
You might wanna look into Pirate Epic Arc Support Packages
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.12.16 19:48:00 -
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You'll want to use interceptors, anything else will die to bubble camps. The station you need to dock up with a few times during the mission chain always has large bubbles on it.
Fit an afterburner + small ancillary armor rep and you'll tank all the missions just fine, theres one mission that has a bunch of destroyers with artillery, their alpha can hurt if you fly straight at or away from them. The most important part will be the dps you do, taranises work great, crusaders and crows tend to be rather low on dps and might have trouble breaking the tanks of some of the named npcs.
Also; The bookmarks and support packages are useless, you dont need any bookmarks with interceptors as you're immune to bubbles and theres plenty of free guides if you google a bit :)
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Dato Koppla
PillowFighters Inc Stealth Wear Inc.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:00:00 -
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The first time I ran these I used a cheapfit Thrasher, they worked extremely well for the missions themselves, the only problem as people have pointed out is traveling between the systems, I ended up losing 2 Thrashers and 2 Pods but it was well worth it for the loot, I bought 4 Destroyers and hauled them to the nearest highsec as well as put my clone there so I could easily get back in if I lost them.
Second time around I did them in Interceptors and some missions were actually quite tough with the weak Interceptor tank, but the bubble immunity and extremely quick align time made traveling far easier and therefore I didn't lose anything. I used a Crusader for the Angels arc and a Crow for the Guristas Arc, I found the Crow to be far better because it has good range and can range tank and that's what I would recommend. I used something like this:
[Crow, Epic Arc]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Small Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
I also kept a travel fit handy with nanos to run past bubble camps, usually if they are not heavily sensor boosted you should easily get away.
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Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
209
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:08:00 -
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Does the increased damage on the fury missiles make up for them losing DPS due to lower explosion velocity and higher explosion radius ? |
Dato Koppla
PillowFighters Inc Stealth Wear Inc.
409
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Posted - 2013.12.17 14:41:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Does the increased damage on the fury missiles make up for them losing DPS due to lower explosion velocity and higher explosion radius ?
Didn't run exact numbers but considering the Crow fit I posted has no damage application bonuses/modules/rigs, it will probably do less damage to frigate sized rats than faction missiles. However you'd obviously use fury against anything destroyer sized and up. |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:42:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Does the increased damage on the fury missiles make up for them losing DPS due to lower explosion velocity and higher explosion radius ? Didn't run exact numbers but considering the Crow fit I posted has no damage application bonuses/modules/rigs, it will probably do less damage to frigate sized rats than faction missiles. However you'd obviously use fury against anything destroyer sized and up.
I just ran the numbers in EFT. Frigates are best shot with T1 ammo, AB dessies with T1, non-AB dessies with fury.
Precisions do more damage than T1 to frigates, but they have range issues.
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:06:00 -
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I I have not run one of these arcs since rubicon but the fastest-to-complete ship type is/was assault frigates with high-DPS (close range) setups. Having said that, they can be completed in a tech 1 frigate GÇô I used an autocannon fitted rifter. Interceptors, pre-rubicon, were fine but significantly slower than assault frigates. Destroyers and stealth bombers can also complete these arcs.
With the rubicon interceptor changes interceptors may well now be the ship-type of preference. They are not going to be faster than an assault frigate in completing any of the actual missions, but they are now so, so, so much more safe for getting around in nullsec. Short of smartbomb camps (and mistakes) they are virtually unstoppable. I'm plannign to run the pirate arcs again soon(ish) in an interceptor, just to see how different it is.
As mentioned in a previous response (thanks DMC) I sell comprehensive packages to help people with those pirate epic arcs - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:19:00 -
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Thanks for all replies, I've decided interceptors will be my tool for these arcs. |
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