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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 00:40:00 -
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This post is slightly premature because we will not be ready for this service for probably a few weeks, but it will hopefully give us some time to evaluate our options and see if anyone is interested in providing us with this service. There are two separate possibilities that we are open to exploring.
Option 1.
We are seeking an alliance that is willing to accept one of our corporations into their alliance and provide PvP training to the members within it. This is a concept we explored earlier in the year with The Ghost Army, but we were not able to get very far before they made the decision to disband.
Essentially, we would want to place Firesworn Warfare into your alliance, where members of our alliance are able to transfer to that corporation to engage in training through practical experience. This is something that would likely be best served by a merc alliance. There are obvious pros and cons to this approach.
On the pros side, you would be gaining some pilots who are eager to learn and participate in PvP activities. You would have sole discretion over who is permitted to participate with you. If you do not want a certain pilot in your alliance, we will transfer them back to our alliance. You also have sole discretion over who even joins that corporation. You could place an alt in the corp with director rights to manage it as you please while it remains in your alliance.
On the cons side, we would obviously have some knowledge of your operations and members, and we have been at war with many of you, and are still at war with some of you. This provides a security risk to you, unless you're willing to put aside our differences and work with us instead. Another con is that I understand the importance of your KB and our pilots could harm it as they are learning, but you are welcome to set any limitations you want, such as only flying cheap tacklers and not engaging in certain activities such as PvE or exploration.
This is our preferred option because I believe it provides the greatest long-term rewards to our pilots. They are able to get hands on training fighting a variety of different threats and to learn from the best. We do not have your experience so we cannot do this ourselves. We need them to be in this corporation because it allows them to remain connected to our community while they are learning from you.
Option 2.
On the flip side, there are plenty of solo PvP pilots that are exceptionally skilled at their art, and I do not want to dismiss an opportunity for them to learn from you. Perhaps you could join our corporation, even if it is with an alt, and provide lessons to them this way. I believe this approach would need more structure in the form of classes with some aspect of hands-on training through lowsec roams or perhaps allying with you in wars where you're the defender.
This option seems a little harder to pull off, but if it is something that sounds interesting to you, I am open to it. Again, you'd be working with players that have a genuine interest in learning to PvP, so they will listen to your guidance, and you have discretion over who you choose to work with. The only thing I would not want to do is wardec other corporations as part of their training, which is why the first option is more appealing.
Payment Terms.
This is completely negotiable. You can charge us a flat weekly rate or a per-pilot rate or a hybrid of the two or something else entirely. Many of you know our situation. We were very active up until the end of summer, and right now we are quite small. We are not rich, but we will entertain any reasonable offer for providing a valuable service. I'm not really the type to hold grudges, so regardless of any history we may have together, I would consider your offer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:17:00 -
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Now where have I seen this name before? |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:25:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Now where have I seen this name before?
Killmails? As the guy who lost really expensive ships in really stupid ways? Just a guess. xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Zol Interbottom
Theft and Taxes
202
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Posted - 2013.12.16 03:28:00 -
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Let me train you in PVP. Stupid forum posts become my MS-Paint art, send me some stupid posts if you see them |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 03:30:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Let me train you in PVP.
Are you hitting on me? Because it sounds like you are.
(You looked better without the eye patch.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
103
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Posted - 2013.12.16 05:47:00 -
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rswfire wrote:This post is slightly premature because we will not be ready for this service for probably a few weeks, but it will hopefully give us some time to evaluate our options and see if anyone is interested in providing us with this service. There are two separate possibilities that we are open to exploring.
Option 1.
We are seeking an alliance that is willing to accept one of our corporations into their alliance and provide PvP training to the members within it. This is a concept we explored earlier in the year with The Ghost Army, but we were not able to get very far before they made the decision to disband.
Essentially, we would want to place Firesworn Warfare into your alliance, where members of our alliance are able to transfer to that corporation to engage in training through practical experience. This is something that would likely be best served by a merc alliance. There are obvious pros and cons to this approach.
On the pros side, you would be gaining some pilots who are eager to learn and participate in PvP activities. You would have sole discretion over who is permitted to participate with you. If you do not want a certain pilot in your alliance, we will transfer them back to our alliance. You also have sole discretion over who even joins that corporation. You could place an alt in the corp with director rights to manage it as you please while it remains in your alliance.
On the cons side, we would obviously have some knowledge of your operations and members, and we have been at war with many of you, and are still at war with some of you. This provides a security risk to you, unless you're willing to put aside our differences and work with us instead. Another con is that I understand the importance of your KB and our pilots could harm it as they are learning, but you are welcome to set any limitations you want, such as only flying cheap tacklers and not engaging in certain activities such as PvE or exploration.
This is our preferred option because I believe it provides the greatest long-term rewards to our pilots. They are able to get hands on training fighting a variety of different threats and to learn from the best. We do not have your experience so we cannot do this ourselves. We need them to be in this corporation because it allows them to remain connected to our community while they are learning from you.
Option 2.
On the flip side, there are plenty of solo PvP pilots that are exceptionally skilled at their art, and I do not want to dismiss an opportunity for them to learn from you. Perhaps you could join our corporation, even if it is with an alt, and provide lessons to them this way. I believe this approach would need more structure in the form of classes with some aspect of hands-on training through lowsec roams or perhaps allying with you in wars where you're the defender.
This option seems a little harder to pull off, but if it is something that sounds interesting to you, I am open to it. Again, you'd be working with players that have a genuine interest in learning to PvP, so they will listen to your guidance, and you have discretion over who you choose to work with. The only thing I would not want to do is wardec other corporations as part of their training, which is why the first option is more appealing.
Payment Terms.
This is completely negotiable. You can charge us a flat weekly rate or a per-pilot rate or a hybrid of the two or something else entirely. Many of you know our situation. We were very active up until the end of summer, and right now we are quite small. We are not rich, but we will entertain any reasonable offer for providing a valuable service. I'm not really the type to hold grudges, so regardless of any history we may have together, I would consider your offer.
Send me a mail ingame, I can prob help you with option 2 and provide some videos on top to help you guys get started.
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Zol Interbottom
Theft and Taxes
202
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Posted - 2013.12.16 07:00:00 -
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PVP LESSONS BEGIN TOMORROW, MARMITE ARE AT WAR WITH YOU TOO
PREPARE YOURSELF Stupid forum posts become my MS-Paint art, send me some stupid posts if you see them |
Linda Acheron
Killing With a Smile
0
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Posted - 2013.12.16 07:09:00 -
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I would be more than happy to help you by joining you. I'm all about pvp and I think you could learn a thing or two from me. Message me in game and we can talk |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 07:13:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:PVP LESSONS BEGIN TOMORROW, MARMITE ARE AT WAR WITH YOU TOO
PREPARE YOURSELF
You do realize we're no strangers to wardecs, right?
We have only recently come back after a three or four month hiatus. We have three people in our alliance that are active, and none of us are really playing on our mains right now. You have nothing to shoot at. This also has nothing to do with wardecs. I'm looking for a long-term relationship where we can send our pilots for training. I have detailed what I feel would work best for us. This is a business opportunity. I tried to make light of the trolling, but now I will simply ignore it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Zol Interbottom
Theft and Taxes
202
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Posted - 2013.12.16 07:16:00 -
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Well ****, i just payed for a months worth Stupid forum posts become my MS-Paint art, send me some stupid posts if you see them |
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 07:19:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Well ****, i just payed for a months worth
That's not possible. At most, you can only pay for two weeks of war upon first declaration.
To everyone who has replied so far, thank you for the thoughtful responses and I will reach out to you soon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Zol Interbottom
Theft and Taxes
202
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Posted - 2013.12.16 07:20:00 -
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then where did the other 100m go? Stupid forum posts become my MS-Paint art, send me some stupid posts if you see them |
Haedonism Bot
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
531
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Posted - 2013.12.16 09:54:00 -
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I believe I can help you arrange something. I am a skilled small gang and solo PvPer, and I would be willing to join your corporation with an alt and help to teach you a thing or two. Contact me in game and we will work out the details. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
927
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Posted - 2013.12.16 10:21:00 -
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rswfire wrote:This post is slightly premature because we will not be ready for this service for probably a few weeks, but it will hopefully give us some time to evaluate our options and see if anyone is interested in providing us with this service. There are two separate possibilities that we are open to exploring.
Option 1.
We are seeking an alliance that is willing to accept one of our corporations into their alliance and provide PvP training to the members within it. This is a concept we explored earlier in the year with The Ghost Army, but we were not able to get very far before they made the decision to disband.
Essentially, we would want to place Firesworn Warfare into your alliance, where members of our alliance are able to transfer to that corporation to engage in training through practical experience. This is something that would likely be best served by a merc alliance. There are obvious pros and cons to this approach.
On the pros side, you would be gaining some pilots who are eager to learn and participate in PvP activities. You would have sole discretion over who is permitted to participate with you. If you do not want a certain pilot in your alliance, we will transfer them back to our alliance. You also have sole discretion over who even joins that corporation. You could place an alt in the corp with director rights to manage it as you please while it remains in your alliance.
On the cons side, we would obviously have some knowledge of your operations and members, and we have been at war with many of you, and are still at war with some of you. This provides a security risk to you, unless you're willing to put aside our differences and work with us instead. Another con is that I understand the importance of your KB and our pilots could harm it as they are learning, but you are welcome to set any limitations you want, such as only flying cheap tacklers and not engaging in certain activities such as PvE or exploration.
This is our preferred option because I believe it provides the greatest long-term rewards to our pilots. They are able to get hands on training fighting a variety of different threats and to learn from the best. We do not have your experience so we cannot do this ourselves. We need them to be in this corporation because it allows them to remain connected to our community while they are learning from you.
Option 2.
On the flip side, there are plenty of solo PvP pilots that are exceptionally skilled at their art, and I do not want to dismiss an opportunity for them to learn from you. Perhaps you could join our corporation, even if it is with an alt, and provide lessons to them this way. I believe this approach would need more structure in the form of classes with some aspect of hands-on training through lowsec roams or perhaps allying with you in wars where you're the defender.
This option seems a little harder to pull off, but if it is something that sounds interesting to you, I am open to it. Again, you'd be working with players that have a genuine interest in learning to PvP, so they will listen to your guidance, and you have discretion over who you choose to work with. The only thing I would not want to do is wardec other corporations as part of their training, which is why the first option is more appealing.
Payment Terms.
This is completely negotiable. You can charge us a flat weekly rate or a per-pilot rate or a hybrid of the two or something else entirely. Many of you know our situation. We were very active up until the end of summer, and right now we are quite small. We are not rich, but we will entertain any reasonable offer for providing a valuable service. I'm not really the type to hold grudges, so regardless of any history we may have together, I would consider your offer.
You probbably need to be more specific. What type of pvp?
High sec? Low sec... 0.0, cookies warfare. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Cavalira
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2013.12.16 10:47:00 -
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He's probably looking for someone to teach him how to manage his guardian alts. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
675
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:11:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Well ****, i just payed for a months worth Why do people never tell me this, always the last to know these things.... Ohh, hang on, no one paid..... War is on for not having CODE. mining permits.
You either love us or we hate you. |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:16:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Zol Interbottom wrote:Well ****, i just payed for a months worth Why do people never tell me this, always the last to know these things.... Ohh, hang on, no one paid..... War is on for not having CODE. mining permits.
Interesting...considering we have no miners in our alliance.
At any rate, this topic isn't about you, Tora. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
675
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:19:00 -
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rswfire wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Zol Interbottom wrote:Well ****, i just payed for a months worth Why do people never tell me this, always the last to know these things.... Ohh, hang on, no one paid..... War is on for not having CODE. mining permits. Interesting...considering we have no miners in our alliance. At any rate, this topic isn't about you, Tora.
Ohh for **** sake, its not about meeee meee meeee ??! Ok, can it be about my alt then ?
You either love us or we hate you. |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:35:00 -
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It seems I was not clear in my original post, so I will try to clarify.
We are a new pilot friendly alliance. Historically, about 80% of our members are less than three months old. We can teach them the basics of fleet mechanics, skill training, overview setup, locator agents, aggression timers, etc. We can help them get into some basic ship doctrines and with some measure of success how to fly them well.
We were an active alliance until around the end of summer, having about 200 members at our peak. During that time, we had members who were able to mentor and help members with the things mentioned above. At the same time, we were embroiled in several wars in which we were often outnumbered.
We had difficulty putting fleets together in a timely fashion and many of our pilots were just not experienced enough or provided with the right guidance to be effective. This is largely my fault because (a) I did not spend enough time trying to build up our PvP side of the alliance and (b) I suck at PvP, having only engaged in it in a limited capacity.
Ideally, we would have someone competent to run that division for us. It's a big job though and it needs to be someone we mesh well with and trust. In the absence of that, we simply need to do the best we can. We considered Agony classes, but they are rather sporadic and I am not sure they would provide the best value or experience that our pilots need.
They would be better off training under another corp who engages in these activities every day. As I said, we were in the process of doing this with The Ghost Army, which would have been ideal because we've always very good relations with them. I am open to other suggestions other than the two options I made above. Constructive feedback is always welcome.
We also try to train our "carebear" pilots to at least be prepared for war, so we provide guidance on flying smart during wartime, and we ask that they train into some basic fits such as Blackbirds and Guardians. These players are not as interested in PvP but they are passionate about our community and are willing to help defend it. They could use help learning to fly these ships well.
Some of our pilots are fairly experienced at solo PvP and might do well at FC'ing if they had the confidence for it, which they would probably only get from someone willing to mentor them.
So ideally, what we are looking for is to work out a deal with someone wherein we are able to have our members learn from those with the experience to teach them properly. This would be an ongoing arrangement as new players are brought on board, probably culminating with many of the pilots you trained in the beginning taking on those same roles in the future so we can be self-sufficient and reasonably competent enough to defend against wardecs.
Hopefully this helps to clear up our objectives. I'd like our players to have enough confidence and skill to be able to form small gangs and work together to overcome threats and take a more offensive role against any threats we face. It's an area we are struggling with, and a challenge we would like to overcome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
933
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Posted - 2013.12.16 12:05:00 -
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I ask again, WHERE you operate. HIhg sec PVP, Low sec PVP, FW PVP, 0.0 PVP and WHole PVP, Forum PVP are completely different beats. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.16 12:10:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:I ask again, WHERE you operate. HIhg sec PVP, Low sec PVP, FW PVP, 0.0 PVP and WHole PVP, Forum PVP are completely different beats.
We currently operate in highsec. We have spent some time in lowsec also and we have even participated in FW (both as attempts in the past to improve our ability to PvP). But right now, we are in highsec. We are basically starting over. We were inactive for a good length of time and we are now in a rebuilding phase. We want to learn from our mistakes so we do not repeat them, hence the reason for this post now while we are just getting started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Marlin Spikes
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
75
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:10:00 -
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For new players who are learning the basics, maybe try Eve Uni and save a few iskies. They will teach the basics and get your players to fly well under an fc. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
73
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:12:00 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:For new players who are learning the basics, maybe try Eve Uni and save a few iskies. They will teach the basics and get your players to fly well under an fc. I'd be worried about the uni application process for this if you can't work out a deal. I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining". -á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |
Christian Lionbate
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.12.17 09:00:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:then where did the other 100m go?
Haha Concord scammed you good |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
132
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:02:00 -
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Grunanca wrote:Send me a mail ingame, I can prob help you with option 2 and provide some videos on top to help you guys get started.
I'll reach out to you soon, thanks.
Haedonism Bot wrote:I believe I can help you arrange something. I am a skilled small gang and solo PvPer, and I would be willing to join your corporation with an alt and help to teach you a thing or two. Contact me in game and we will work out the details.
You don't need any introduction at all. :)
I read your blog post some time ago about your incident with Brave Newbies. Was a great read.
I'm sure there's much we could learn from you and I'm glad you're willing. I'll reach out soon.
Marlin Spikes wrote:For new players who are learning the basics, maybe try Eve Uni and save a few iskies. They will teach the basics and get your players to fly well under an fc.
E-UNI is great, but I imagine the requirements of actually getting into that corp would be burdensome, and it would separate our players from our community while they are a part of it. That's something we're hoping to avoid. I appreciate the feedback, though.
Zol Interbottom wrote:Well ****, i just payed for a months worth
Isn't it obvious? Taxes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Yi-Ming Gren
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
41
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:39:00 -
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Seems you have wars on multiple fronts, why would you need to hire someone for PVP lessons when there are so many willing to give you antimatter for free? Undock in something nice and shiny, PVP will come to you. |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
132
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:36:00 -
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Yi-Ming Gren wrote:Seems you have wars on multiple fronts, why would you need to hire someone for PVP lessons when there are so many willing to give you antimatter for free? Undock in something nice and shiny, PVP will come to you.
We always have wars on multiple fronts.
And we're not really in a position to fight you right now. There's like three of us, and we're not Cannibal Kane. xD
This is a project I am trying to put together as part of a larger program...one that goes beyond this alliance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Leigh Akiga
Trickle Down Economics
375
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Posted - 2013.12.18 06:48:00 -
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I recently read about your situation and I would like to suggest that you consider renting in 0.0
All the people that you are currently having problems with will not go to nullsec. You would essentially cease to exist to them. Also- the PVE activities that you enjoy in highsec are more profitable in 0.0
It may seem scary and alien and entirely too dangerous but as someone who has spent their entire eve career in nullsec I can say that- once you grow accustomed to your surroundings it is quite 'safe' and I use that term loosely because danger may be all around but only if you are careless.
http://tinyurl.com/pblrd-rentals |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
445
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Posted - 2013.12.18 06:52:00 -
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I hear Goonswarm has some wonderful new property down in Delve....:)
You should contact them, their prices are very reasonable.
You might have to front a security deposit tho, they are very wary of possible spies.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
128
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Posted - 2013.12.18 10:51:00 -
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The only real training option is to go get shot at.
That said there are a number of options for the risk averse to look into such as Uni, Agony, or RvB. These are good options for basic levels of mechanics. However, the environments are (in many ways) contrived. As such you can learn as many bad habits as good.
Brave is a great new option for folks and can be looked into on an individual level for good times. But it likely will not appeal to those who are worried about committing assets.
For a realistic chance at moving a whole lot of people I would advise for either NPC null or renting. For the NPC Null you get much of the benifet for living in null and the isk potential associated, without having to deal with sov mechanics. Also null NPC mission LP can be very valuable.
For renting you get a larger body of potential income, but you get the associated politics of the parent body. The case in point being that third front deployment by gents where the first couple weeks of pain was felt only by renters. Also renters often will draw gangs to your door. But that is a good thing if you want to learn. Heck with access to a bridge network and a gang of interceptors you can be violencing other renters pretty quickly.
Send an eve message for vale rental contacts and terms. |
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