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trader joes Ichinumi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.16 01:36:00 -
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Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable. |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
697
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:11:00 -
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trader joes Ichinumi wrote: its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
Ahh yes of course - you have no systems because you decided not to take them. Took you longer to come up with this excuse than we expected.
But don't fret OP. In a few months we too will have no systems because we decide not to keep them.
Will you then claim to have taken the systems we decide not to hold?
This thread might be of use in the future.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1743
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:22:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote: Ahh yes of course - you have no systems because you decided not to take them. Took you longer to come up with this excuse than we expected.
We don't have "no" systems, we have "5".
Quote: But don't fret OP. In a few months we too will have no systems because we decide not to keep them.
Will you then claim to have taken the systems we decide not to hold?
Yes. Just because you decide to not hold systems doesn't mean we didn't take them. |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
697
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:46:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Yes. Just because you decide to not hold systems doesn't mean we didn't take them.
According to the OP - Gallente don't want to take systems because it's counter productive.
Anyhow you forgot the current official Gallente line: 'We are only here for pvp and dont care about sov. '
The OP doesnt even have the brain to post on his main and used a derp alt to post - That is a good sign that even he knows what he posted is extrasuperretarded.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Theroine
Justified Chaos
62
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Posted - 2013.12.16 03:00:00 -
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trader joes Ichinumi wrote: Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable.
You should be busting the iHub for the greater good of your faction, not as a way to farm LP. You wouldn't be one of those isk grubbing space wh or es, would you? |
trader joes Ichinumi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.12.16 03:32:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote: its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
Ahh yes of course - you have no systems because you decided not to take them. Took you longer to come up with this excuse than we expected. But don't fret OP. In a few months we too will have no systems because we decide not to keep them. Will you then claim to have taken the systems we decide not to hold? This thread might be of use in the future.
There are currently 4 Caldari controlled systems that are vulnerable. I know that at least 2 of them have no Caldari presence in them. and Gallente has fleets roaming around that could take those systems. Instead, they opt to gank Caldari because they don't think taking systems is worth it.
What I would claim is that unless you get a group large enough to commit resources to moving up in tiers(like TEST), there is little incentive to take systems.
Taking individual systems is time consuming, risks higher value ships and offers little reward in itself. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
249
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Posted - 2013.12.16 03:37:00 -
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Confirming that ganking squids is more fun than bashing iHubs. |
trader joes Ichinumi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.12.16 03:40:00 -
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Theroine wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote: Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable.
You should be busting the iHub for the greater good of your faction, not as a way to farm LP. You wouldn't be one of those isk grubbing space wh or es, would you?
Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. People care about good pvp and people care about LP farming. Spending 30 minutes bashing on a control point with little reward doesn't appeal to either of these groups.
My corp actually does like to PvP. We took Frarie a few days ago when it became vulnerable. It was pretty boring. It took us about an hour and the only action we got from was from neutrals(despite a Test fleet being 10 jumps away. guess it wasn't interesting to them).
Then we decided that we would rather roam and haven't capped anything since. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
417
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Posted - 2013.12.16 04:22:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: We don't have "no" systems, we have "5".
*High Five* |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
192
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Posted - 2013.12.16 04:29:00 -
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trader joes Ichinumi wrote:Theroine wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote: Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable.
You should be busting the iHub for the greater good of your faction, not as a way to farm LP. You wouldn't be one of those isk grubbing space wh or es, would you? Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. People care about good pvp and people care about LP farming. Spending 30 minutes bashing on a control point with little reward doesn't appeal to either of these groups. My corp actually does like to PvP. We took Frarie a few days ago when it became vulnerable. It was pretty boring. It took us about an hour and the only action we got from was from neutrals(despite a Test fleet being 10 jumps away. guess it wasn't interesting to them). Then we decided that we would rather roam and haven't capped anything since.
You really don't understand FW. There is no winning and no losing, only fights. Once Gallente have enough systems vulnerable, we will flip them, and push to tier-3/tier-4. Then the farmers will farm like crazy and we'll take the warzone until we are down to only defended systems. At that point, the farmers will starve out and switch sides to Caldari and everything will start over again.
If we take the systems now, Caldari will just farm them back.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1745
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Posted - 2013.12.16 05:30:00 -
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trader joes Ichinumi wrote:Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. Who are you again? While you're at it, how about adding some "street cred" by showing us your killboard and letting us know how much VP you or your corp make each day. |
Starbuck05
The Mjolnir Bloc B O R G
91
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Posted - 2013.12.16 08:38:00 -
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Just because gals don't bash ihubs when YOU want does not mean they don't bash at all..
uh btw common frogs i need more systems to plex so get to work will ya -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |
Ali Cyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.16 08:53:00 -
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posting in a "caldari have suddenly realized why we dont care about warzone control" thread.
its cute. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1403
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Posted - 2013.12.16 10:19:00 -
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Reading the title to the thread I couldn't help but think how CCP can't even give reasons for sov in Null. FW? |
March rabbit
True Horde
905
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:07:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Yes. Just because you decide to not hold systems doesn't mean we didn't take them. According to the OP - Gallente don't want to take systems because it's counter productive. exactly. It gives caldari farmers new place to farm ISK. And capturing new systems doesn't give enough benefits to gallente to spend time and effort.
IbanezLaney wrote: Anyhow you forgot the current official Gallente line: 'We are only here for pvp and dont care about sov. '
and grinding structures and forcing farmers out of plexes is not that kind of PvP people would like to do.
IbanezLaney wrote: The OP doesnt even have the brain to post on his main and used a derp alt to post - That is a good sign that even he knows what he posted is extrasuperretarded.
there is another variant: you just have no trained reading comprehension to actually understand what people write
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March rabbit
True Horde
905
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Posted - 2013.12.16 11:09:00 -
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. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
111
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:35:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote:Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. Who are you again? While you're at it, how about adding some "street cred" by showing us your killboard and letting us know how much VP you or your corp make each day.
I'll take two guesses based on who lives in Eugales (to my knowledge only two corps were involved with the most recent Frarie flip but I could be wrong as I wasn't online at the time).
Either TPLUS or BLFOX alt. BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
221
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:22:00 -
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No |
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:21:00 -
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Yes "The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain." |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
252
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:07:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:X Gallentius wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote:Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. Who are you again? While you're at it, how about adding some "street cred" by showing us your killboard and letting us know how much VP you or your corp make each day. I'll take two guesses based on who lives in Eugales (to my knowledge only two corps were involved with the most recent Frarie flip but I could be wrong as I wasn't online at the time). Either TPLUS or BLFOX alt.
Just how green do you think this guy is? I mean, our last warzone control push wasn't that long ago.
Srsly, GalMil are the defenders of free speech and the open forum! OP should be less cowardly and post on his main. |
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Jill Chastot
Aliastra Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:48:00 -
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Wait wait wait WAIT.
Structure bashes are not fun?
I think this man may have something here, put him on CSM immediately |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
621
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:21:00 -
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Gallente has always problems to do hard part of work, they need always CCP to help, OP is good example.
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
595
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:47:00 -
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trader joes Ichinumi wrote:Theroine wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote: Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable.
You should be busting the iHub for the greater good of your faction, not as a way to farm LP. You wouldn't be one of those isk grubbing space wh or es, would you? Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. People care about good pvp and people care about LP farming. Spending 30 minutes bashing on a control point with little reward doesn't appeal to either of these groups. My corp actually does like to PvP. We took Frarie a few days ago when it became vulnerable. It was pretty boring. It took us about an hour and the only action we got from was from neutrals(despite a Test fleet being 10 jumps away. guess it wasn't interesting to them). Then we decided that we would rather roam and haven't capped anything since.
You're either a TPLUS or BLFOX alt since I know it was you guys who took Frarie. A couple piece of advice:
1. If you bring 15 ABCs preferably Talos, you will take the ihub in less than 15 minutes. Problem is that many of the militia fleets bring cheap crap to take the ihubs (bombers and destroyers) thus making the ihub bashing process longer than it needs to be. Don't be cheap. Bring ABCs or field caps.
2. Don't rely on the more older established corporations within GalMil to bother doing the work for you. It's not that they don't care. It's that they have done it numerous times already (Gallente reaches t2/t3 about 3-4 times a year) and no one cares to bash more ihubs just so a minority can leech off of the upgraded warzone control. Besides, many of the older corps have older pilots who are filthy rich from previous cash outs. They are apathetic to the woes of newer pilots.
3. If you really really want higher warzone control and bigger ihub fleets, you should reach out to other interested corps who would share a similar ideal. You need to find corps who are hungry for the opportunity to better themselves and/or the militia. Find new blood.
BTW, you can easily earn 80m isk/hour at T1 right now. Certainly not as high as what Caldari have been making recently but not pocket change either. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
trader joes Ichinumi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:49:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote:Theroine wrote:trader joes Ichinumi wrote: Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.
A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.
I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable.
You should be busting the iHub for the greater good of your faction, not as a way to farm LP. You wouldn't be one of those isk grubbing space wh or es, would you? Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. People care about good pvp and people care about LP farming. Spending 30 minutes bashing on a control point with little reward doesn't appeal to either of these groups. My corp actually does like to PvP. We took Frarie a few days ago when it became vulnerable. It was pretty boring. It took us about an hour and the only action we got from was from neutrals(despite a Test fleet being 10 jumps away. guess it wasn't interesting to them). Then we decided that we would rather roam and haven't capped anything since. You're either a TPLUS or BLFOX alt since I know it was you guys who took Frarie. A couple piece of advice: 1. If you bring 15 ABCs preferably Talos, you will take the ihub in less than 15 minutes. Problem is that many of the militia fleets bring cheap crap to take the ihubs (bombers and destroyers) thus making the ihub bashing process longer than it needs to be. Don't be cheap. Bring ABCs or field caps. 2. Don't rely on the more older established corporations within GalMil to bother doing the work for you. It's not that they don't care. It's that they have done it numerous times already (Gallente reaches t2/t3 about 3-4 times a year) and no one cares to bash more ihubs just so a minority can leech off of the upgraded warzone control. Besides, many of the older corps have older pilots who are filthy rich from previous cash outs. They are apathetic to the woes of newer pilots. 3. If you really really want higher warzone control and bigger ihub fleets, you should reach out to other interested corps who would share a similar ideal. You need to find corps who are hungry for the opportunity to better themselves and/or the militia. Find new blood. BTW, you can easily earn 80m isk/hour at T1 right now. Certainly not as high as what Caldari have been making recently but not pocket change either.
You misunderstand me. Given the current system, I have no interest in improving our system control. Yes I could do things to make it faster, but gaining faction control would still be boring and not profitable.
The point of my post was to point this out. Ideally so that CCP would change how system control is established. THe simplest way would be to increase the rewards for taking ihubs. At least then it would be liking plexing(boring and profitable). |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
595
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:08:00 -
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Quote:You misunderstand me. Given the current system, I have no interest in improving our system control.
So you want to make a quick buck off of the ihub bash but have no vested interest in a sustainable warzone control strategy?
How much LP do you think a fleet should get for bashing a structure that takes no more than 20 minutes? Before you answer with a number, I want you to think this through very carefully. You will start to see the flaw in your logic.
Quote:THe simplest way would be to increase the rewards for taking ihubs. At least then it would be liking plexing(boring and profitable).
At least you admit to being another farmer. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
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