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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
164
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:30:00 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:The gaming system could handle it..and we've already seen ccp and sony get thier serves together..ps4 client possible? DuSt 514 on PC would be better than console thats what I believe should had happen from the start. But ps4 umm no thanks. I tried DuSt 514 once and I will never go back. I am a dedicated EvE player not a dedicated DuSt 514 Player. Thats my two cents worth
You can always tell when somebody knows they are saying something stupid when they end everything with "just my two cents".
Realistically what you're saying is "Here is something incredibly stupid, now please dont verbally punch me in the throat." |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1521
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:31:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Explanations don't require manners, last I checked.
Everything requires manners
Otherwise you are just a rude little **** *** Vote MTU For CSM ***
Non omnis moriar |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2139
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Explanations don't require manners, last I checked. Everything requires manners Otherwise you are just a rude little ****
It was an explanation. There were no manners, there was no lack of manners. Explanations are indifferent, ie. not polite or impolite. Do you understand? No one writes a report, or an essay, or a literature review, with manners in mind, because manners are irrelevant when it comes to presenting facts and arguments. That is, presenting them with bad manners is just as irrelevant as presenting them with good ones.
And I don't really care what you think of me personally. That's also irrelevant. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1522
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:52:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
And I don't really care what you think of me personally. That's also irrelevant.
Good show
I wouldn't expect you to considering your overwhelming arrogance
And ridiculous ignorance *** Vote MTU For CSM ***
Non omnis moriar |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1235
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:54:00 -
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Think of the whining when all the console kiddies get scammed out of their isk. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2139
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
And I don't really care what you think of me personally. That's also irrelevant.
I missed the point, was wrong, and can't admit it, now I'm trying to save face by attempting to insult and hurt the feelings of the person that that's responsible for calling me out instead of making a valid argument.
This is called prescriptive retaliation. It's also called "you are not making a relevant point regarding EVE on consoles." All you're trying to do is dig at my character.
The irony is not lost on me when you call me arrogant, Ramona. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1523
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:06:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
The irony is not lost on me when you call me arrogant, Ramona.
You mean my hypocrisy, don't you?
The irony is that I already made it clear that I agree with you in regards to the utter worthlessness of consoles in regards to playing a game like EvE on due to limitations of graphical hardware and shallow-minded developers and publishing houses.
But the initial issue was you said you didnt want to play EvE on a joypad
And it was pointed out that consoles have had mice and keyboards since 1999
And yet you still powered through with "yes but my main point stands"
Without even recognising that your issue with control systems was flawed and wrong
And then proceeded to say that manners dont count for squat in the real world
And thats not correct, your statement supporting it was arrogant and shallow, which I called you on
And here we are
Your move, sweet cheeks
*** Vote MTU For CSM ***
Non omnis moriar |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2139
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
But the initial issue was you said you didnt want to play EvE on a joypad
This was never my issue. This was never my point. I never complained about this. The reason I never complained about this was because the point that even next-gen console hardware is outdated by any given PC supersedes any reasoning regarding peripherals like gaming controllers. You can get all the same peripherals on PS that you can get on a PC, and visa versa, which makes that particular variable completely irrelevant.
I never had an issue with control systems to be flawed and wrong, so if that's what you're sniping at me for, then you are missing your intended target. You might want to go back and find out who had this particular problem with playing EVE on a gamepad, and throw your tantrum at them, because even though I would never play EVE on a gamepad, I don't have a problem with it being made compatible for one. You can do that on PC.
I have a problem with it being ported to console and stagnating on proprietary hardware. That is all. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Digital Messiah
Digital Alchemist Abandon PlayGrounds
346
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:56:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:The gaming system could handle it..and we've already seen ccp and sony get thier serves together..ps4 client possible? This idea is everything that's wrong with consoles. All this can lead to is the watering-down of a great game. I don't care if you think the PS4 can handle it, what happens to it then if it gets ported? In its life, EVE has experienced many graphics and sound upgrades that it will stop getting if it winds up stagnating on hardware that cannot be upgraded, modified or swapped out. I enjoy consoles as much as the next guy, but some games aren't meant for consoles. EVE is one of them.
This is why they will never do it. Not because the system couldn't handle it consoles have the ability to run everything under the sun far better than a computer with lower hardware requirement. The reason being is driver and code optimization. It is a lot harder to optimize games for the pc because there is so much hardware it has to be compatible with. They could run eve on the ps4 at max graphical capacity for the next 3 - 5 major graphical updates. The problem all in all with this is putting the resources forth to actually do this. I think it would've been more profitable for eve than dust 514. But if you look at other mmo's it isn't what is holding the playerbase numbers back. And console kids don't flock to games with this high a learning curve. Something clever |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:07:00 -
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Console gamer = "I bees teh awesome after one day of game play and can max level mah toon after just one week"
Eve gamer = " "your toon is only 4 years old ??? ... that must really suck being so low skilled" |
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Knights Armament
State Protectorate Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:10:00 -
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I think eve should focus on the steam box, we need to let sony, and microsoft die. http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/
https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Jill Chastot
Aliastra Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:14:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:James Nikolas Tesla wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:The gaming system could handle it..and we've already seen ccp and sony get thier serves together..ps4 client possible? Possible sure. Functional, maybe. But why? Because not all of us have access to $1,000+ gaming rigs. Whoa whoa... my Rig is Over -ú2000+ Oh Dear god why did I spend so much
shesh you even paid that expensive british money. It must be something special, or you bought alienware... |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1550
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:22:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
This was never my issue.
kk, so you made a point that had nothing to do with what you quoted
cool *** Vote MTU For CSM ***
Non omnis moriar |
Jill Chastot
Aliastra Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:31:00 -
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Kris Xavier wrote:James Nikolas Tesla wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:The gaming system could handle it..and we've already seen ccp and sony get thier serves together..ps4 client possible? Possible sure. Functional, maybe. But why? Because not all of us have access to $1,000+ gaming rigs. Yes i have an expensive gaming rig, but not for eve. I currently run eve on a Core 2 duo, Win xp, GT630, 4gb ram, running 2 x 22" 1680x1050 and yes usally have graphics turned right down and im scrolled out, but if i want to, i can turn them right up, use one screen and play on near max settings and enjoy some graphics ****. You do not need to spend much money on a pc to play eve.
I skimmed it so fast i thought you had a 630 in your gaming rig and i had to re read it a few times properly...
._. herpa derpa |
The Zetin Sunn
1st Armored Division
9
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:45:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:The gaming system could handle it..and we've already seen ccp and sony get thier serves together..ps4 client possible? Possible sure. Functional, maybe. But why? Because not all of us have access to $1,000+ gaming rigs.
Learn to build a PC, its easier than lego (no actually) and you'll be dualboxing like a pro for much less than the PS4 costs. |
Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
9
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:22:00 -
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Auric Varangian wrote:Logan Revelore wrote:Kryptik Kai wrote:Ambassador Crane wrote: Frankly, it's bad enough Dust is only on PS3 and at present they have not announced any plans to make it available on PC, much to the current Eve community's disapproval. Why would they put Eve on PS4?
Well, Dust flopped, why not watch EVE flop on console. I mean... does anyone really see the typical console player having the patience required for this game? QFT. Charming to see PC owners bash console owners. I never understood that animosity, perhaps it stems from beeing insecure? I own a PC (for gaming and some work) and a PS3 for gaming. Some segments of the console owners don't have the patience for EVE and others do, and this is, of course, also the case with people who only own a PC. Since the PS4 works like a charm with KB/M, runs much like a PC (no more cell) the only problem I see is the consoles capacity concerning future updates of EVE's graphic engine. But again...this is also the case with all the PC people with older machines. If the investment to port, and continually support, EVE is moderate then perhaps CCP should look into it. Also, this is my first post, where is the cake?
Not bashing anyone, I just doubt that 95% of the console population has the patience for a game like EVE. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7021
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Posted - 2013.12.19 04:38:00 -
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Logan Revelore wrote:Not bashing anyone, I just doubt that 95% of the console population has the patience for a game like EVE. Hardly saying much considering the same is probably true of the PC gaming population. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Bobinu
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
23
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is like asking for Starcraft on the Nintendo 64.
Can I have Starcraft on my N64..pleeeeease! |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2145
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
This was never my issue.
kk, so you made a point that had nothing to do with what you quoted cool
Wrong. I was explaining why the argument quoted was irrelevant. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Brendan Anneto
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
12
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:00:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:The gaming system could handle it..and we've already seen ccp and sony get thier serves together..ps4 client possible? Possible sure. Functional, maybe. But why?
I'm to poor to afford a computer. Better downgrade
Proverbs 1:26-27 |
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Steve WingYip
The Alect Squadron
4
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:30:00 -
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icedragon2072 wrote:The gaming system could handle it..and we've already seen ccp and sony get thier serves together..ps4 client possible?
Or just play it on PC? LOL |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2524
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:26:00 -
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icedragon2072 wrote:well, in my oppinion the ps4 can run it better graphics wise than a comparable priced desktop :P.
You are aware that the PS4 is built from overpriced desktop hardware right? Looks up what's in a PS4 and price it up, build a computer yourself. You could make a PC with identical hardware stats for a quarter of the price.
Quote:ThereGÇÖs an 8-core AMD Jaguar/Kabini x86-64 CPU, a Radeon 7870-derived GPU with 18 compute units (vs. Xbox OneGÇÖs 12 CUs), and 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM
-ú60 for the AMD Jag, -ú120 for the Radeon 7870, 8GB RAM -ú40. Basic PC case -ú10, cheap PSU -ú20. So, -ú250 for the equipment. -ú350 for the PS4 without controllers etc. PCs are cheaper, and you could spend the extra -ú100 on more powerful hardware and then it would be better for the same price. No competition. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
9
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Logan Revelore wrote:Not bashing anyone, I just doubt that 95% of the console population has the patience for a game like EVE. Hardly saying much considering the same is probably true of the PC gaming population.
Good point. I'd counter with this though:
Those players that like a game such as EVE will probably find their way here on their own via a PC. That's what I think at least. Consoles aren't really known for games such as this, and as such the player base there is probably more biased towards other genres of games. |
Jill Chastot
Aliastra Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:31:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:well, in my oppinion the ps4 can run it better graphics wise than a comparable priced desktop :P. You are aware that the PS4 is built from overpriced desktop hardware right? Looks up what's in a PS4 and price it up, build a computer yourself. You could make a PC with identical hardware stats for a fraction of the price. Quote:ThereGÇÖs an 8-core AMD Jaguar/Kabini x86-64 CPU, a Radeon 7870-derived GPU with 18 compute units (vs. Xbox OneGÇÖs 12 CUs), and 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM -ú60 for the AMD Jag, -ú120 for the Radeon 7870, 8GB RAM -ú40. Basic PC case -ú10, cheap PSU -ú20. So, -ú250 for the equipment. -ú350 for the PS4 without controllers etc. PCs are cheaper, and you could spend the extra -ú100 on more powerful hardware and then it would be better for the same price. No competition. That is of course assuming you don't have computer parts you could already use, which would make it even more cheap than the PS4. Games consoles are for people who don't want the extra hassle a PC brings and are willing to pay the extra expense. If your argument is that they should release it for PS4 because some people are poor, then your doing it backward. That's just more reason for them not to develop a PS4 crossover.
Dont forget an OS :l |
Boomhaur
162
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:02:00 -
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It seems people are forgetting the development cost to get the game on a PS4. I don't see the market for a game like Eve on a console, were a tad bit too hardcore for them. Plus with the comparable entry cost to get a new computer that can run Eve, or just dropping in a GPU in almost any machine to run it. I don't see a compelling reason to have Eve ported.
Plus you can't run Excel on an PS4 and you be forced to use the terribly bad in game browser to use google spreadsheets to get the full Eve experience.
It's not just the game that makes this it's the community and what drives it, a large chunk of which isn't entirely "in game". Want to join a corp and use voip, better download some software. Keep track of skills, theres evemon. Killboards, out of game. Make the best ship possible for yourself, download EFT or PYFA. And the list goes on.
A PS4 version of Eve would give it's players a gimped experience compared to the PC players even if they were exactly the same and supported keyboard and mouse.
Plus I'd rather have them put their money on expanding Eve rather than trying to lose money by trying to tap into a market filled by players who prefer Call of Duty 2013, than pay $60 plus DLC to get Call of Duty 2014 which has a few new maps and skins but pretty much the same game the very next year. (Yes I just picked on COD to prove a point, majority of the console games out there are just rehashes of older games with tacked on DLC. I don't see Eve doing well in this market as there is nothing else like it for them to compare it too.) Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:14:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:Arduemont wrote:icedragon2072 wrote:well, in my oppinion the ps4 can run it better graphics wise than a comparable priced desktop :P. You are aware that the PS4 is built from overpriced desktop hardware right? Looks up what's in a PS4 and price it up, build a computer yourself. You could make a PC with identical hardware stats for a fraction of the price. Quote:ThereGÇÖs an 8-core AMD Jaguar/Kabini x86-64 CPU, a Radeon 7870-derived GPU with 18 compute units (vs. Xbox OneGÇÖs 12 CUs), and 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM -ú60 for the AMD Jag, -ú120 for the Radeon 7870, 8GB RAM -ú40. Basic PC case -ú10, cheap PSU -ú20. So, -ú250 for the equipment. -ú350 for the PS4 without controllers etc. PCs are cheaper, and you could spend the extra -ú100 on more powerful hardware and then it would be better for the same price. No competition. That is of course assuming you don't have computer parts you could already use, which would make it even more cheap than the PS4. Games consoles are for people who don't want the extra hassle a PC brings and are willing to pay the extra expense. If your argument is that they should release it for PS4 because some people are poor, then your doing it backward. That's just more reason for them not to develop a PS4 crossover. Dont forget an OS :l
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Installing_EVE_on_Linux
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Arduemont
The State of War.
2535
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:01:00 -
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This man has it covered.
I love the implication in that straight face smiley. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
680
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:28:00 -
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Even if they do a perfect port, the various 3rd party tools and communication features would not be available. Playing without a keyboard and mouse would not be possible.
They shouldn't waste time developing a product that would be unavoidably inferior. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
213
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Posted - 2013.12.20 05:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is like asking for Starcraft on the Nintendo 64.
Starcraft Ghost - Been there done that. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |
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