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Miter
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Posted - 2006.06.30 11:14:00 -
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Since mining foreman link - laser optimization drops cycle time now, is there any chance that it stacks with mining foreman link - ice harvesting? Or because they both reduce duration only one takes effect? Test results please, not opinions. Thanks.
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Areguzandora Amado
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Posted - 2006.06.30 14:51:00 -
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Referring to Stamm's and Rumbaar's posts before:
About Deep Core Mining Lasers II (DCMLII) - are they available in game? They're not listed in the item database, but there are blueprints for them (although I've never found any available)... Deep Core Mining Lasers II Blueprint
The DCMLII's activation time / duration is 60,00 sec and the mining amount is 120 ore units!
In theory an Osprey fitted with 3 DCMLII 4 Cap Recharger II 2 Mining Laser Upgrades I, one Reactor Control unit II and skill levels of 5 in Mining, Astrogeology and Cruisers should be able to mine ~413m¦ per laser per minute.
You'll need some extra skills (activation cost of 400 for each DCMLII!!!) to run those lasers and both of the mining laser upgrades on your Osprey forever, but it's worth for being able to get 1239m¦ per minute - so my question is: Where can I buy those lasers and are they really obtainable? Or am I missing something?
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Rumbaar
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Posted - 2006.07.03 01:39:00 -
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Wow... hey Areguzandora where did you get the actual spec's of that laser? Is it in game spec's? I'll have to take a look, 'cause if so ... yeah I too want 3 of those ;)
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Areguzandora Amado
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Posted - 2006.07.03 12:06:00 -
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You can get the stats ingame from the Deep Core Mining Lasers I (info, under variations) or from Battleclinic.com Item database.
Precision mining laser,needed for deep core mining operations. Requires a vessel specialy optimized for its use. activation cost 400 Energy CPU usage 50 tf Crystals Damage 1 Damage Cloud Chance 6 Activation time / duration 60,000 ms Hp 20 Optimal Range 5,000 m Mining amount 120 Ore units powergrid usage 2 MW slots occupied 1 Target Group 11 Tech Level 2
Required Skills: Astrogeology - 5 Deep Core Mining - 1 Mining - 5 Science - 4 Cpu Usage 50 Powergrid Usage 2 MW (Cruisers 5 to get the maximum out of it)
With these skills you are already able to learn Mining Barges, but it looks like a waste of time to me - if those DCMLII are obtainable... (or if you want to go all the way through to the Elite Mining Barges)
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Rumbaar
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Posted - 2006.07.04 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Rumbaar on 04/07/2006 00:59:10 Once again ... WOW!! Who at CCP do I need to sleep with to get these in game??
Currently they don't even show-up in the market, at all! Tho with that activation cost it would take some managment in both cargo and cap. But the pull in an Osprey would be heaven :D
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Areguzandora Amado
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:51:00 -
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Someone stated to me that these Lasers aren't seeded in game so far...
Cap wouldn't be a problem with the right skills and items. But cargo would become the limiting factor. Looks like the barges aren't that bad at all!
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Vivus Mors
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Posted - 2006.07.04 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Vivus Mors on 04/07/2006 21:18:45
Originally by: Areguzandora Amado Someone stated to me that these Lasers aren't seeded in game so far...
Cap wouldn't be a problem with the right skills and items. But cargo would become the limiting factor. Looks like the barges aren't that bad at all!
Indeed, the DCM2 likely isn't ever going to be a reality anyhow. The devs said a while back that T2 ore mining beams are of the modulated variety only (ice harvester beams don’t mine ore so they are a separate issue), and while there is a DCM2 in the item database, also keep in mind there is also a “TEST Modulated Strip Miner II” with 360m3 yield and a 10 second cycle time (that’s not a misprint TEN second cycle time) and on top of that they can use crystals just like normal MSM2 lasers. As well as 35 or so other mining lasers, some which are in-game and many which are not, but were developed and put into the database none the less.
Now obviously something like that “TEST MSM2” would be absolutely NUTS to let out into the game (unless of course 3 accidentally fell into my hangar, then they would be fine ) or there wouldn’t be a single rock anywhere in the galaxy by the weekend, but it’s in the database, along with mountains of other database entries that either “never were” or “never will be” in-game items for us to play with, and the reasons are likely as numerous as the hidden items themselves.
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Braaage
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.15 00:26:00 -
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With Squadron Command L5 the laser link drops a 3 minute strip miner cycle time down to 139.50 seconds (2 min 20 secs approx). ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com
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Ivana Humpal0t
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Posted - 2006.07.16 15:38:00 -
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The test items are likely just that, for testing. Devs probably use them to see how effective the normal variants are without waiting for extensive cycles. They're never likely to be release into the public domain.
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Morbius Bloodstar
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.17 13:37:00 -
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Awesome thread, thanks again for sharing your expertise.
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Deena Nord
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Posted - 2006.07.25 15:23:00 -
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High Tech
Im soon getting myself an osprey, and i've never mined anything else than veldspar,scordite + sth i can't remember the name of:)
Any ideas on what to use on my uber "badger", the one that only requires industry level 1? it has 6000^m3 cargo atm, but i wouldn't mind having it a little bigger ;) and if you do osprey 3x miner II and mine veldspar + scordite into a floating can how much isk / hour is that? And yeah, im new :)
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Cairbre 2
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:46:00 -
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i was fixing to max all the cyrstal processing skills...i have been turned off a bit tho as the amount of time it would take to max all of them for 2 toons...im wondering now, having read this, if it's even worth it (??) i have trained arkonor processing on one toon (22days)...i am a .0 dweller (btw)...am also a coupla ops away from purchasing 2 hulks for my toons (both toons are exhumer 4 now)...
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Cairbre 2
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Posted - 2006.07.26 02:52:00 -
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actually, i got another question... im using 3 toons...1 toon in a domi, 2 toons in coveters (soon to be hulks)..one problem i have in .0 is i strip an area of highends FAST..it forces me to move to another area or to another belt...the problem with this is moving 3 toons constantly takes time, especially when im having to move 1-2 of them for hauling duty when the time comes...since im in .0, is mining commons a good way to make isk? i know its not the same as the highends...but the truth of it is, i could set up and park admist alot of velds, etc and not have to move or only move forward a coupla times...now we know the low ends are needed for most everything in eve, but where im in .0 and that i only have a refinery OP at my disposal...i thought if i did this in empire, it would be a good money maker as i could do mineral supply or churn out BS consistently...so whatcha think?
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Wilhelmina Rietval
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Posted - 2006.07.27 23:26:00 -
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I'm in need of some clarification regarding these per minute mining yields.
Just for the sake of illustration, let's assume you're able to mine 1000 units of ore per minute. Let's also assume that your ship's cargo is only large enough to hold 25% as much, or 250 ore units. Does this mean that the mining laser deactivates after 15 seconds (25% of one minute), or does the laser need to run its full cycle before the ore is deposited in the cargo hold? |
Harris
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cairbre 2 i was fixing to max all the cyrstal processing skills...i have been turned off a bit tho as the amount of time it would take to max all of them for 2 toons...im wondering now, having read this, if it's even worth it (??) i have trained arkonor processing on one toon (22days)...i am a .0 dweller (btw)...am also a coupla ops away from purchasing 2 hulks for my toons (both toons are exhumer 4 now)...
If you're using strip miners, you need to get the ore specific processing skills to lvl 3 at least to use crystals. and lvl 4 to use T2 crystals so it all depends on which you'd prefer to use. However, I do not believe that it is worthwhile maxing them out as you currently get no benefit from that with the exception of sub standard refining facilities.
As for your second question, if you have a use for the low ends then it is certainly worth mining. i.e fit T1 strip miners and just mine everything in range, or fit T2 miners and swap out the crystals as you work through each ore type.
If the moving about is a pain for you then that would ease your logistics for sure. Money income is of course going to be less but if you're close to buying 2 hulks then I'd imagine that isn't something that would bother you so much. Decide if you have a viable use for the low ends and if you have, then you just became a 1-man, self sustaining production factory.
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Harris
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelmina Rietval I'm in need of some clarification regarding these per minute mining yields.
Just for the sake of illustration, let's assume you're able to mine 1000 units of ore per minute. Let's also assume that your ship's cargo is only large enough to hold 25% as much, or 250 ore units. Does this mean that the mining laser deactivates after 15 seconds (25% of one minute), or does the laser need to run its full cycle before the ore is deposited in the cargo hold?
The lasers will run their full cycle and fill the hold. If the hold is too full and there is no room for any more ore then they will switch off and deposit the remainder of the ore from that cycle into space (you lose what you can't keep.. if that makes sense).
If you are having that problem then work arounds are cargo expanders to increase the space. (of course) and staggering laser cycles (so that they don't all finish at the same time).
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Halada
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.29 20:21:00 -
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I've re-written some sections, updated others and corrected some. Feel free to respond to my blog or point out to any errors (I don't guarantee I'll fix them though ) I could have inserted.
I'm thinking of setting up a website with updated printable PDFs and references..., with mining forums and all. Anybody would be interested if such a site existed?
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Minai X
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.30 01:16:00 -
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First of all, answering to your question: Yes, we still DO read your guide and I am quite sure many BMark your guide and check for updates regularly.
About going to a site. Yes, I would like to see that. I think the forum is nice, but pretty restraining when it comes to graphical/design issues. If you are interested, I would like to offer some space I have in the server for hosting your site.
Best regards and above all: Thank you.
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Ford Hakata
Rather Odd Industrial Dynasty
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Posted - 2006.07.30 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Halada I've re-written some sections, updated others and corrected some. Feel free to respond to my blog or point out to any errors (I don't guarantee I'll fix them though ) I could have inserted.
I'm thinking of setting up a website with updated printable PDFs and references..., with mining forums and all. Anybody would be interested if such a site existed?
First, thanks for the effort - your guide is very useful! :D
Some things could be improved, of course... How about a link section? (There are a couple of web pages and tools that could deserve some attention, e.g. the eve geek ore/mineral calculators). Some alternate ship setups would be cool too. (The cruiser setup looks a bit... ambitious, CPU-wise) And how good are the smaller exhumers at tanking? Another thing... If you have three accounts you mine more with two barges/exhumers than with a barge/exhumer + an idle BC. And with the full mindlink setup, it seems to me you need at least three covetors before it pays off to use a BC for it's bonuses (This is assuming the BC pilot can use a covetor too, if necessary. I might be wrong, though.)
Otherwise, keep up the good work! :)
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Halada
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ford Hakata First, thanks for the effort - your guide is very useful! :D
Some things could be improved, of course... How about a link section? (There are a couple of web pages and tools that could deserve some attention, e.g. the eve geek ore/mineral calculators). Some alternate ship setups would be cool too. (The cruiser setup looks a bit... ambitious, CPU-wise) And how good are the smaller exhumers at tanking? Another thing... If you have three accounts you mine more with two barges/exhumers than with a barge/exhumer + an idle BC. And with the full mindlink setup, it seems to me you need at least three covetors before it pays off to use a BC for it's bonuses (This is assuming the BC pilot can use a covetor too, if necessary. I might be wrong, though.)
Otherwise, keep up the good work! :)
We need more carebears like you ingame!
The links are already inclued in the guide itself in the relevant sections, although doing a summary of them all is a good idea...
As for the cruiser setup, I'll work it out, as you say it seems hungry CPU but it's nothing a CPU2 or two with Electronic 5 won't fix!
As for skiff tanking, Ive done it before, but it still required faction hardeners and a gist a sb which goes for around 140mil and rising atm... since the skiff goes for 40mil, I find it ridiculous that the required fittings cost around 5 times more than the ship... not worth it.
I currently mine with 2 skiffs with a dominix tanking. Safest way...
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Elsinaril
CHON R i s e
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Posted - 2006.07.30 10:43:00 -
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Thanks for the nice guide you made here and for updating it regularly.
The news that mining foreman links and the respective mindlink work at least partially are encouraging.
After all, that whopping 22.5% decrease to the mining laser cycle time means 29.03225806451612903225806451613% increase to the effective mining yield, whats not all that bad ;)
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Ford Hakata
Rather Odd Industrial Dynasty
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Posted - 2006.07.30 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Halada As for the cruiser setup, I'll work it out, as you say it seems hungry CPU but it's nothing a CPU2 or two with Electronic 5 won't fix!
The fitting you suggest (3x Miner II's and 3x Mining Laser Upgrade I's), will AFAICT never work. I've managed to fit two upgrades, but only when using a CPU2 and using no other CPU-intensive modules.
With Caldari Cruiser 4 and Electronics 5 skills, the following setup works nice for me (OK yield, and all the ore from one mining cycle fits in the cargo hold.)
High: 3x Miner II's, 1x Small tractor beam (dragging the can behind you while mining is fun ) Med: 1x Small shield booster, 1x V-M15 Braced Multispec Shield Matrix, 2x Cap Rechargers Low: 1x Co-Proc II, 1x Mining Laser Upgrade and 1x Cargo expander
With Caldari Cruiser 5 the cargo hold won't fit all the ore, and if one uses mining drones that's the case too.
With this setup and decent shield tanking and cap skills, one can even tank 0.5 rat spawns. (Though you may want to exchange the multispec shield for another cap recharger, and remember to turn off your lasers and keep an eye on you capacitor. ) --
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Octavian Maximus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 14:17:00 -
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Adding a confirmation that yes this guide is being read. In fact it is mandatory reading in my Corps mining division.
Mining Guide! We Love It!!
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Cairbre 2
Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.01 02:45:00 -
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to answer your question, yes a site would be good...a site that the true die hard industrialists can trade info, suggest strategies, discuss latest ships, mods etc...the forums are nice, but mining is a wonderful aspect of EVE that only a select group enjoy doin day in and day out... to go back to mining low ends...if i did use low ends, i'd use them to build ships (is what my alts do)...so instead of mining high ends exclusively...id mine the low ends too...so instead of 500mil worth of mega/zyd...i would have 5 or 6 BS bein sold on market instead...also is bulk mineral supply or contract mineral supply even worth it? i notice down in feyth, low ends aren't mined...if an alliance is living in .0, it seems low end supplies would be profitable...or at least startin it would maybe increase the demand?? Live Rich, Dream Rich, Talk Rich, Die Rich...the life of an Industrialist. |
Duradam
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.01 19:31:00 -
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Yes, this guide is still read! I refer others here often, and check back for updates myself.
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Hehulk
5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:00:00 -
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Hello o/
I check back here on a regular basis. Your guide's helped me to make one f**king c**t load of isk so thanks ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin |
DaRkBoZ
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:11:00 -
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Awesome guide! A must have for any miner !
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Kleshta
Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:12:00 -
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Very nice guide, lots of useful information about mining, one word EXCELLENT !
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Hobaron
The Knights of the New Republic
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:39:00 -
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Something to mention in your refining section is that POS refining does not use the same equations. A regular refining array can only refine to a MAXIMUM of 35% and an intensive can only refine to a MAXIMUM of 75%. The calculator you have linked does not take this into effect (since I'm unaware of any stations with a 75% refining base).
Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong at any time, and I would appreciate a friendly evemail if that's the case (if its over 24 hours from this post, then someone else has already evemailed me, I'm sure. Therefore, dont!).
Beyond that, great info! I've read it cover to cover multiple times. Thanks.
-Hobaron
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Umbriele
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Halada
UPDATE: Mining Foreman Mindlink has drastically dropped in price lately and is still not fixed (at least not completely). If you pay more than 150mil you can send the seller to hell, from me.
Please not that you can only use one implant per slot, so you cannot use both the mining foreman mindlink and the regular 5% mining implant that goes into slot 10 as well.
Paid 165m. The mindlink must be fitted in the battlecruiser pilot, not on the hulk pilot....thats why same slot..
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