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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.11 14:36:00 -
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Well you have to play the way that suits your playstyle the most. I couldn't stand Empire anymore, it bored the hell out of me. I like the thrill, the risk and the money of 0.0. There's no shame in being a carebear.
However, you should really get a Covetor. If mining is your main source of income, the covetor will mine 33% more than the Apoc w/ 8 MDCMII. 33% is a lot if all you do is mining, your income would significantly increase.
At the end, it's all about the fun
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.11 15:17:00 -
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Yup, a Covetor might be the way forward for me ... and since I'd need a month to raise the skill to 5, I still have some time to think about it
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kery Nysell Yup, a Covetor might be the way forward for me ... and since I'd need a month to raise the skill to 5, I still have some time to think about it
Especially if you've got the skills to use T2 Strips already. If you don't rat, there is no other skill that should be more important than getting a Covetor really. Trust me on this one, you'll thank yourself you took the time
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BillyBong2
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Posted - 2006.03.11 17:55:00 -
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Must got to the nearest station and find mining skill book, then must go to nearest alliance 0.0 and start miing _________________________ Siggy by Esturary |
Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.12 10:43:00 -
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The Recruitment forum has many industrial corps looking. Just make sure they already have 0.0 access (and not the usual "soon to have 0.0 access"). "Soon" can mean months.
GL
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.12 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 12/03/2006 11:31:49 nm
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2006.03.12 11:57:00 -
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Bottom line:
Which adds up to more money generally? Bistot/Crok + hulk, or Merc + skiff? -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.12 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake Bottom line:
Which adds up to more money generally? Bistot/Crok + hulk, or Merc + skiff?
It's a good question, and I'd Say Bistot/Ark + Hulk. If you do find Merx, the quantity is always limited as well. Like I said, you can only find Merx in -1 0.0 systems, and there aren't that many. They're not more dangerous, but they're usually deep in space, so hauling to Empire can be problematic. Owning both ship is the best combination, strip a belt of merx, then go back to HQ and mine around, since Bistot is found in any 0.0 belts.
Considering the very low price of a Skiff compared to the Hulk, I would simply buy both, even the Mackinaw as well. Over time the Hulk will be much more lucrative, but like said in the guide with the current prices it will take a while. For a serious miner, it will be done in a month.
Hope that helps
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Zeer Sark
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Posted - 2006.03.12 15:42:00 -
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Great guide, many thanks.
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:41:00 -
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Thanks, you're very welcome :)
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OlbeupDlo
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Posted - 2006.03.12 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: OlbeupDlo on 12/03/2006 23:27:20 Excellent guide, thanks. I'll throw in two cents. The Gallente Battlecruiser (Brutix) can outmine the first barge as well with 7 Miner II's and Mining/Astrogeology trained up. You need to fit CPU upgrades in 4-5 low slots (depending on your skills) and then shield tank. It of course costs less then the Dominix though obviously it can't tank as well. Not a bad choice though for low security space (not 0.0) if you can't quite make the barge or the BS ships.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.03.12 23:31:00 -
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.12 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Halada on 12/03/2006 23:56:27 Wow thanks a lot :) I was wondering how I was gonna add more sections, nice idea to add space.
Thanks a lot Abdalion
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.12 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: OlbeupDlo Edited by: OlbeupDlo on 12/03/2006 23:27:20 Excellent guide, thanks. I'll throw in two cents. The Gallente Battlecruiser (Brutix) can outmine the first barge as well with 7 Miner II's and Mining/Astrogeology trained up. You need to fit CPU upgrades in 4-5 low slots (depending on your skills) and then shield tank. It of course costs less then the Dominix though obviously it can't tank as well. Not a bad choice though for low security space (not 0.0) if you can't quite make the barge or the BS ships.
I forgot to mention it with the Osprey and the Scythe. However, the Brutix cannot tank a 0.0 spawn (except maybe the very exceptionally small ones). Actually, any mining cruisers will outmine the small barge. It's just not worth it to get one.
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Lani Stalisa
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Posted - 2006.03.13 00:10:00 -
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might want to include tips for those mining as they level the skills for the bigger ships.
I noticed that I do good with the EP-S Gaussian I Excavation Pulse lasers on the various ships at lower skill levels.
They are not as expensive or hard to get as miner 2's or others and have a decent mining rate, and are more price/efficency wise than most others imho for aspiring miners training up skills.
Discussion of the cruisers, frigates and even battleships that can be used to mine might be nice too.
As well as sample configs for them.
since I normally mine in high sec space (1.0 -0.9) I stick to an after burner and scanner in the mids, and cargo expanders in the lows. all highs have as many miners as I can slap in them.
Course I have no hauler, but find a station with a short warp to an asteroid belt and unload as the hold fills. Don't make as much but it doesn't run the risk of ore theft (several try to get you flagged so they can blow up your ship)
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eritreus
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Posted - 2006.03.13 00:42:00 -
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Quote: They are not as expensive or hard to get as miner 2's or others and have a decent mining rate, and are more price/efficency wise than most others imho for aspiring miners training up skills.
hair splitting. Miner II's are pretty cheap, even for a newer player, I mean anyone after second week shouldn't be splitting hairs about that if they really want to mine.
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Kixyrya
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Posted - 2006.03.13 00:51:00 -
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Awesome Guide by the way.
One thing I noticed is the Mining Foreman Mindlink Implant also has a bonus of MiningAmountBonus: 15 That's the same attribute the other mining implants give you the 5%. It's slot 10 so you would have to drop a mining implant, and the implant has a lot more pre-reqs, but if it works it's another 10% bonus.
Hopefully someone can test this out, these are selling for ~850m btw.
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Lani Stalisa
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Posted - 2006.03.13 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: eritreus
Quote: They are not as expensive or hard to get as miner 2's or others and have a decent mining rate, and are more price/efficency wise than most others imho for aspiring miners training up skills.
hair splitting. Miner II's are pretty cheap, even for a newer player, I mean anyone after second week shouldn't be splitting hairs about that if they really want to mine.
Yes but miner II's require advanced training in mining, so they can not be used as early on. These are a good first set of lasers till they can use the miner II's
Some people power level mining right off the bat, others like me focus on just enough skills to get a decent frigate/cruiser for mining and then do the learning skills
My main rig right now is an osprey with 3 of them, an after burner, scanner and expanded cargo hold slots. Not the best rig compared to others, but a good rig for leveling up the learning skills and the like.
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MasterSgtJP
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Posted - 2006.03.13 03:44:00 -
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Nice topic you wrote dude =) thx
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Maltor'Vak
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Posted - 2006.03.13 05:56:00 -
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Halada,
Should a new player just starting out and wanting to get into mining, head right for the Dominix?
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.13 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Halada on 13/03/2006 07:28:39
Originally by: Kixyrya Awesome Guide by the way.
One thing I noticed is the Mining Foreman Mindlink Implant also has a bonus of MiningAmountBonus: 15 That's the same attribute the other mining implants give you the 5%. It's slot 10 so you would have to drop a mining implant, and the implant has a lot more pre-reqs, but if it works it's another 10% bonus.
Hopefully someone can test this out, these are selling for ~850m btw.
I had no idea this implant existed. If it gives a 15% bonus to yield, this means both implant together (at the proice of about 1bn ISK, granted) would give a wh0pping 20% to yield. That is enermous and should be the last thing a miner buys, but surely buys it :)
Originally by: Lani Stalisa
Yes but miner II's require advanced training in mining, so they can not be used as early on. These are a good first set of lasers till they can use the miner II's
Miners II only requires Mining IV, wich is about 1.5 day of training for a new character, maybe 2.5 for someone with really low memory and intelligence. The training is insignificant, and the boost to yield very significant. Any beginner should head for those first before anything else.
Originally by: Maltor'Vak
Halada,
Should a new player just starting out and wanting to get into mining, head right for the Dominix?
No. A Dominix is a Battleship and out of reach for beginners for at least 2 months I would say. If you're starting, get a Bantam, get mining to IV and join a corp. Then get an Osprey or a Scythe and get cruiser to III, IV if you wish (another 20% to yield). Then get Astrogeology to IV as well.
From this point on you have two choices: get a Retriever, by training Industry to V which should take about 5-7 days, depending if you trained some learning skills or not. Or mine in an Osprey until you can afford a Dominix.
If I'd be you, I'd get a Retriever and do some mining ops with the corporation you joined. A Retriever costs about 7mil vs 63mil for a Dominix and the yield is just as good. Dominix is only more suitable than a Retriever for solo mining in 0.0 which you should not be doing as a beginner.
Hope that helps :)
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.03.13 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Halada Wow thanks a lot :) I was wondering how I was gonna add more sections, nice idea to add space.
Thanks a lot Abdalion
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.13 09:49:00 -
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Halada.
Would be great if you could recalculate those ISK-per-hour figures, taking into account Veld/Pyrox/Hedbergite.
Thx
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Shorima
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Posted - 2006.03.13 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Shorima on 13/03/2006 11:23:19 I am getting a Dominix this week, and i wanted to know if i should buy some modulated deepcore miner 2 with the appropriate crystals or simply miner 2.
My skills are Mining 5, Astro 5, deepcore mining 2, Industry 5, Refinign 5, Refinign efficiency 5 and about all the processing at atleast 2 or 3 and i use drones alot and have Drone interfacing 4, drone 5, mining drone 4.
I try ot figure out with T2 crystals if i can mine more with MDCM2 or with miner 2.
I want to mine mainly for now in .4 and less stuff like hebergite. But my corp have some access in 0.0 so i might also end-up there thtas why i get a Dominix.
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.03.13 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shorima Edited by: Shorima on 13/03/2006 11:23:19 I am getting a Dominix this week, and i wanted to know if i should buy some modulated deepcore miner 2 with the appropriate crystals or simply miner 2.
My skills are Mining 5, Astro 5, deepcore mining 2, Industry 5, Refinign 5, Refinign efficiency 5 and about all the processing at atleast 2 or 3 and i use drones alot and have Drone interfacing 4, drone 5, mining drone 4.
I try ot figure out with T2 crystals if i can mine more with MDCM2 or with miner 2.
I want to mine mainly for now in .4 and less stuff like hebergite. But my corp have some access in 0.0 so i might also end-up there thtas why i get a Dominix.
If you already have the skills you should of course get Modulated Deep Core Miners II ... you'll get a much better yield.
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Fogy
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Posted - 2006.03.13 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fogy on 13/03/2006 13:41:29 What about the Vexor with its bonus to mining drones? how good is it compared to the osprey/cythe? reason im asking, is becaus its in the path towards the Dominix, and therefor a more vial choise (if its any good at all) compared to the osprey/cythe (wich leads to crappy mining BS's.
could you do the math's plz? :D
Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity" ♥RUBRA♥
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pulse1976
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Posted - 2006.03.13 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Halada
8-Ice Mining Ice can only be mined by Mining Barges or Exhumers, using Ice Harvester strips. Since the introduction of the Mackinaw, the medium Exhumer, ice mining is less of a pain. Ice is refined into fuel, used for Capital ships or POS. It is however a real pain to haul as each unit has a volume of 1000m3. However, a well organised player can make a fortune out of ice mining. Note that there are no crystal to mine ice.
The Mackinaw The Mackinaw at Exhumer V will give a 100% bonus to ice mining yield, per ice harvester.
Skills you should have: Mining V, Astrogeology V, Ice Harvesting V (25% to ice yield), Barge V, Exhumer V, Foreman V
You will get the following yield, using Ice Harvester II: 1000 (base yield) * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.25 * 1.15 * 2 * 1.1 (2xIce Mining Upgrades) * 1.1 = 5435.1 ore per strip/cycle (400sec)
This means you will get each cycle 10 Ice Units, or 90 units per hour. A very considerable yield.
I think these are wrong. Ice Mining is based on the time taken to mine a single unit of Ice. Standard the Ice Harvester 1 will return one unit per 600 secs or 1 unit per 10 mins. Training the Ice Harvesting Skill reduces the time cycle by 5% per level. The Ice Harvesting modules also reduce the time cycle by 5% per module, and the Exhumer skill will reduce the time cycle by 5% per level. These are all the plus points. The bad point is, when using a Mackinhaw you actually incur a 25% one off penalty to the cycle time.
The following calculation is based on my actual standing as of now (Ice harvesting lvl 3, Exhumers lvl 2 and 2x Ice harvesting mods) using T1 Ice harvesters
600 (standard cycle) x 1.25 (Mack's penalty) x 0.9 (2x ice mods) x 0.9 (Exhumers) x 0.85 (Ice Harvesting) = 516.375secs or 2 units of ice per laser every 8.6 mins. Yes 2 units because we have a 100% bonus to the amount mined per laser for the Mackinhaw. This means that I can, and do, mine 14units of ice approximately every hour.
With maxed skills it'll be:
600 x 1.25 x 0.9 x 0.75 x 0.75 =379.688secs = 6.3mins. Therefore we will mine 2units of ice per laser every 6.3mins or 18units of ice in about an hour
By using the Ice Harvester 2 (if anyone knows where i can get 2 let me know!) the cycle time is reduced to 400sec per laser. So in the cals above subsitute the 600 for 400. With T2 Ice Harvesters at max skills the cycle time will be 253secs or 4.2mins or a massive 28 units of ice approximately every hour!
Please if I am wrong, don't flame. Fire suppresing system is now fitted to the Rifter!
Cheers
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VodkaMan
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Posted - 2006.03.13 14:55:00 -
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Quote: (if anyone knows where i can get 2 let me know!)
Well, just saw a couple about 200 mils, but i think, first time they will be too expensive, as usual....
BTW, what about Mining Foreman Mindlink ? Did anyone tested it and it's mining yield +15% bonus ????
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.03.13 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Farjung on 13/03/2006 16:05:52
Originally by: Halada Like I said, you can only find Merx in -1 0.0 systems, and there aren't that many.
I'm almost 100% certain that you're wrong on this. If I recall correctly there's 3 or 4 systems at least in Period Basis that have mercoxit, E2-RDQ being one of them, and that's a -0.9x. There's only one -1.0 in Period.
Edit: some kind soul pointed me at this, which confirms what I thought.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.13 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: VodkaMan
Quote: (if anyone knows where i can get 2 let me know!)
Well, just saw a couple about 200 mils, but i think, first time they will be too expensive, as usual....
BTW, what about Mining Foreman Mindlink ? Did anyone tested it and it's mining yield +15% bonus ????
Yes, it appears you can get up to a 15% bonus from a mining foreman link. But it doesn't stack with the bonus from the mining foreman skill - in other words you'd only get one 15% bonus instead of a 10% bonus and a 15% bonus. (And thats only if you max the skill - with level 4 mining director you only get a 12% bonus - yay for 2%!!!!) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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