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Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
314
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:09:00 -
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Just going to interject here, what's the big deal with the holovid? I thought it was pretty good. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
220
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:03:00 -
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Ascentior wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Tell me: If you canGÇÖt even take the challenge of fighting a war which is brought to your doorsteps, how can you even talk about bringing stability and order to the Empire and defeat to the Shakorites? I understand that to you, this war is a momentous occasion. You think you are defending your honour, after all. You searched for someone who will bring your wrath and vengeance to those who have outed you as a disgrace to your ancestors. You found a band of warriors who would take your plight to the stars and inflict righteous fury upon those who you deem unworthy. You (well, someone else) have declared war upon the mighty and stubborn PIE Inc. Watch as you (well someone else) bring this institution to its knees! To us, it was a Tuesday. We have a job to do, and the Stormcrows are an inconvenience. We receive more resistance from Shakor's terrorists than your hired sword. We don't have to fight this war at all. You know, Ascentior, when you accept that a certain countess, who is known for her bad taste in art and interest in political intrigue, to pretend interest in moderating arbitration, and then can not even wait an hour to properly rephrase the information you think she has extracted from us, we have reason to believe you are acting in a nervous fashion. And below your own standards.
Almost every of your posts here is a ritualistic display of GÇ£We donGÇÖt care.GÇ¥ What does that tell us about what you really think?
Kind regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest
Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
Aarin Kyasura
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:33:00 -
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This bit about not having to fight at all translates to "Open season" to my ears. Have fun! |
Constantin Baracca
326
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Posted - 2013.12.20 23:34:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Ascentior wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Tell me: If you canGÇÖt even take the challenge of fighting a war which is brought to your doorsteps, how can you even talk about bringing stability and order to the Empire and defeat to the Shakorites? I understand that to you, this war is a momentous occasion. You think you are defending your honour, after all. You searched for someone who will bring your wrath and vengeance to those who have outed you as a disgrace to your ancestors. You found a band of warriors who would take your plight to the stars and inflict righteous fury upon those who you deem unworthy. You (well, someone else) have declared war upon the mighty and stubborn PIE Inc. Watch as you (well someone else) bring this institution to its knees! To us, it was a Tuesday. We have a job to do, and the Stormcrows are an inconvenience. We receive more resistance from Shakor's terrorists than your hired sword. We don't have to fight this war at all. You know, Ascentior, when you accept that a certain countess, who is known for her bad taste in art and interest in political intrigue, to pretend interest in moderating arbitration, and then can not even wait an hour to properly rephrase the information you think she has extracted from us, we have reason to believe you are acting in a nervous fashion. And below your own standards. Almost every of your posts here is a ritualistic display of GÇ£We donGÇÖt care.GÇ¥ What does that tell us about what you really think? Kind regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest
If PIE exists in a state of perpetual conflict in an area of factional warfare, why would they be nervous of losing more ships except that it may cost the Empire a system someday? It isn't as if your servants can do more than moderately inconvenience them. At least I'm not presently aware of PIE having a mining or industrial branch.
I'm not aware of PIE having altered their modus operendi to account for the few extra red dots on their displays, so I'm not sure why we shouldn't take them at their word that they don't necessarily care enough to do more than voice their annoyance. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2013.12.21 00:43:00 -
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This news saddens me. |
Condor Amarr
Black Watch Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
61
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:30:00 -
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Just so that I understand this, someone in the Amarr Militia hurt someone else in the Amarr Militia's feelings and so some war decs were thrown around and Merc's hired?
YC110 called, they want their breaking story back.
PS - You guys will definitely be the one's to break the back of PIE, where so many others have failed. Seriously, well done to you. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
68
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:53:00 -
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So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top? |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3675
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:11:00 -
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They're mercs, not criers. Their input ended at the form declaration.
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Erin Savonarola
House Savonarola
0
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:15:00 -
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Dutchess, I was inclined to agree and advocate on your behalf on some of your points of contention. I do agree that Imperial organizations should not meddle in internal Khanid affairs. Nor should Imperial citizens feel it is their right to determine the veracity of Khanid titles. That said, the recourse was not to hire mercenaries.
Since you have made unfounded accusations regarding my motives, I will bow out and leave you and PIE to your own devices and simply pray for an outbreak of sanity. |
Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
229
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:42:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top? At the time of this writing, the war report between Stormcrows and PIE shows that Stormcrows have taken down 3 ships, 2 frigates and 1 cruiser, worth approximately 111 million ISK. PIE has scored no kills. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |
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Constantin Baracca
326
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:13:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top?
Essentially, I think Stormcrows are annoying PIE while PIE go about their business, so this is something of a one-sided conflict. I don't think PIE is suddenly going to turn around and forget their primary job. They don't really have a choice; they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving, so they're probably a bit too busy to turn around and set up a back-alley rumble with the Stormcrows to decide things.
I'm assuming the Crows will probably drop in during fights and help the Republican forces out a bit, but I doubt highly that a professional mercenary organization which was hired primarily to do damage to PIE's operational abilities is going to set up a time and a place for PIE to bring the biggest weapons they have around. The Stormcrows are not stupid and know how to leverage their weight most effectively.
I'll assume PIE will be frequently ambushed, but isn't really going to stop working. I'd say the question is centered more around the contract Odelya paid for their services. 111 million isn't a lot even for an I.N.D. cleric like myself, and I'll assume that as a decent mercenary organization, the Stormcrows' services do not come cheap. Especially in lowsec, where the Crows may have other issues to deal with (though I suppose that they aren't likely to be bearing a racial flag, so they can avoid some of the factional squabbling PIE does have to deal with).
Either way, I would assume that Odelya will run out of personal funds to pay for them long before PIE runs out of money to replace their losses. In the end, that may be where this war is really fought. It's just a battle of purse-strings. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
68
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:25:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top? Essentially, I think Stormcrows are annoying PIE while PIE go about their business, so this is something of a one-sided conflict. I don't think PIE is suddenly going to turn around and forget their primary job. They don't really have a choice; they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving, so they're probably a bit too busy to turn around and set up a back-alley rumble with the Stormcrows to decide things. I'm assuming the Crows will probably drop in during fights and help the Republican forces out a bit, but I doubt highly that a professional mercenary organization which was hired primarily to do damage to PIE's operational abilities is going to set up a time and a place for PIE to bring the biggest weapons they have around. The Stormcrows are not stupid and know how to leverage their weight most effectively. I'll assume PIE will be frequently ambushed, but isn't really going to stop working. I'd say the question is centered more around the contract Odelya paid for their services. 111 million isn't a lot even for an I.N.D. cleric like myself, and I'll assume that as a decent mercenary organization, the Stormcrows' services do not come cheap. Especially in lowsec, where the Crows may have other issues to deal with (though I suppose that they aren't likely to be bearing a racial flag, so they can avoid some of the factional squabbling PIE does have to deal with). Either way, I would assume that Odelya will run out of personal funds to pay for them long before PIE runs out of money to replace their losses. In the end, that may be where this war is really fought. It's just a battle of purse-strings. Sensible as always, mister Baracca. I'm mostly curious at this point. |
Constantin Baracca
327
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:31:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote: Sensible as always, mister Baracca. I'm mostly curious at this point.
I wish I could help more. I try to avoid this sort of thing, so I don't know specifics like how much it costs to man and operate PIE nor how much it costs to hire the Stormcrows. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more specific help.
"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
68
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:46:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote: Sensible as always, mister Baracca. I'm mostly curious at this point.
I wish I could help more. I try to avoid this sort of thing, so I don't know specifics like how much it costs to man and operate PIE nor how much it costs to hire the Stormcrows. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more specific help. Not at all. Answers come with time. |
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
87
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Posted - 2013.12.21 06:49:00 -
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Erin Savonarola wrote:Dutchess, I was inclined to agree and advocate on your behalf on some of your points of contention. I do agree that Imperial organizations should not meddle in internal Khanid affairs. Nor should Imperial citizens feel it is their right to determine the veracity of Khanid titles. That said, the recourse was not to hire mercenaries.
Since you have made unfounded accusations regarding my motives, I will bow out and leave you and PIE to your own devices and simply pray for an outbreak of sanity.
Thank you for the valiant attempt, Countessa. I applaud efforts to keep honest debate and communication open. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
108
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:32:00 -
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Well, if we needed any proof that we were absolutely right about Odelya's lack of character we now have it.
I do hope her Alliance has taken note of the fact that she is actively working against the Amarrian militia.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |
Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
82
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:43:00 -
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One can only pray for the lost souls of those capsuleers who's blown up egos doesn't care for the lives of innocents anymore... Aethion Mirra Captain and Head of HR,-áPIE Inc.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
647
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:53:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote: they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving.
That sure is a rather... inventive way to describe it...
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Well, if we needed any proof that we were absolutely right about Odelya's lack of character we now have it.
The irony. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1237
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Posted - 2013.12.21 15:15:00 -
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Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?
What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?
Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1534
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Posted - 2013.12.21 15:25:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?
What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?
Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?
Odelya d'Hanguest made some comments not befitting an Amarrian. I amongst others suggested that she was overstepping the bounds of decency. An argument ensued, during which words were exchanged. Since then I understand she's been trying to get her friends and colleagues to declare war on us, but without much luck.
So she's hired mercenaries instead, and has finally persuaded her sister to join the fray as well.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
88
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Posted - 2013.12.21 15:48:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?
What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?
Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?
I linked to it in my first post on the thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4021508#post4021508
Offending comments and ensuing vigorous discussion are in this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281488&find=unread
You perhaps looked at it and didn't think it worthy of all this hubub (such as it is), and to that I can only say I agree. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3678
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Posted - 2013.12.21 15:49:00 -
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So basically she had a ***** fit and couldn't stomp hard enough to get her side to do anything, so she used money to get someone to kick over a sand castle.
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Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
22
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Posted - 2013.12.21 16:18:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?
What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?
Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?
In the Name of the Lord
We deemed it necessary to declare war for the following reasons:
1.) Despite the lack of jurisdiction and competence Lord Admiral LokGÇÖri has accused Her Grace of heresy. While this would not concern us, since the institutions which usurp jurisdiction in the Empire do not exist in the Kingdom, we consider it to be an unprovoked attack by a supposedly allied (albeit schismatic) entity.
(The opinions expressed by Her Grace are not only always standing within the legitimate spectrum of the Khanid Orthodox Church, which remains independent from the churches of Amarr and is the true and complete continuation and preservation of that very church that Dano Gheinok founded, but are a shining example of clarity of thought and theological insight.)
2.) The lack of fulfilling the requirements to address Her Grace according to protocol and custom as established by the Book of Records under the entry of GÇ£Odelya of House dGÇÖHanguest, Duchess of PalasGÇ¥ (and with the addition of GÇ£HyperprotopansebastokratorissaGÇ¥ and GÇ£Porphyrogenita.GÇ¥)
3.) A certain feeling of general disgust towards sycophancy, biased sophistry, arrogance, incompetence, the tendency to corrupt the innocent, shameless hypocrisy, and double-standards.
4.) Attempts of peaceful arbitration were made, but failed due to the unwillingness of PIE to open discussion: Not only is this war a war of self-defence against a guilty enemy, but all other means of putting an end to it have shown to be impractical.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Ducal Chancellor
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
329
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Posted - 2013.12.21 17:04:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?
What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?
Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?
In the Name of the Lord We deemed it necessary to declare war for the following reasons: 1.) Despite the lack of jurisdiction and competence Lord Admiral LokGÇÖri has accused Her Grace of heresy. While this would not concern us, since the institutions which usurp jurisdiction in the Empire do not exist in the Kingdom, we consider it to be an unprovoked attack by a supposedly allied (albeit schismatic) entity. (The opinions expressed by Her Grace are not only always standing within the legitimate spectrum of the Khanid Orthodox Church, which remains independent from the churches of Amarr and is the true and complete continuation and preservation of that very church that Dano Gheinok founded, but are a shining example of clarity of thought and theological insight.) 2.) The lack of fulfilling the requirements to address Her Grace according to protocol and custom as established by the Book of Records under the entry of GÇ£Odelya of House dGÇÖHanguest, Duchess of PalasGÇ¥ (and with the addition of GÇ£ HyperprotopansebastokratorissaGÇ¥ and GÇ£ Porphyrogenita.GÇ¥) 3.) A certain feeling of general disgust towards sycophancy, biased sophistry, arrogance, incompetence, the tendency to corrupt the innocent, shameless hypocrisy, and double-standards. 4.) Attempts of peaceful arbitration were made, but failed due to the unwillingness of PIE to open discussion: Not only is this war a war of self-defence against a guilty enemy, but all other means of putting an end to it have shown to be impractical. Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Ducal Chancellor
Anslo wrote: So basically she had a ***** fit and couldn't stomp hard enough to get her side to do anything, so she used money to get someone to kick over a sand castle.
So.... yes. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
648
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Posted - 2013.12.21 17:54:00 -
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Point 1) is legitimate. All the others sound highly volatile. |
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
88
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Posted - 2013.12.21 18:57:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:In the Name of the Lord We deemed it necessary to declare war for the following reasons: 1.) Despite the lack of jurisdiction and competence Lord Admiral LokGÇÖri has accused Her Grace of heresy. While this would not concern us, since the institutions which usurp jurisdiction in the Empire do not exist in the Kingdom, we consider it to be an unprovoked attack by a supposedly allied (albeit schismatic) entity. (The opinions expressed by Her Grace are not only always standing within the legitimate spectrum of the Khanid Orthodox Church, which remains independent from the churches of Amarr and is the true and complete continuation and preservation of that very church that Dano Gheinok founded, but are a shining example of clarity of thought and theological insight.)
Imperial subjects of all walks of life have been calling each other heretics for millenia. It is a duty of the faithful to recognize heresy, keep oneself clear of it, and call it out for question.
It is not the same as usurping the authority to declare someone a Heretic for all of the orthodoxy. I am surprised so many people, even good Amarrians, are confused on this subject.
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote: 2.) The lack of fulfilling the requirements to address Her Grace according to protocol and custom as established by the Book of Records under the entry of GÇ£Odelya of House dGÇÖHanguest, Duchess of PalasGÇ¥ (and with the addition of GÇ£HyperprotopansebastokratorissaGÇ¥ and GÇ£Porphyrogenita.GÇ¥)
I (and I am sure others) would be more willing to give the benefit of any doubts, if her grace would accord the same respect for Amarrian institutions and holdings.
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote: 3.) A certain feeling of general disgust towards sycophancy, biased sophistry, arrogance, incompetence, the tendency to corrupt the innocent, shameless hypocrisy, and double-standards.
Charitable of you to see our side of the argument.
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote: 4.) Attempts of peaceful arbitration were made, but failed due to the unwillingness of PIE to open discussion: Not only is this war a war of self-defence against a guilty enemy, but all other means of putting an end to it have shown to be impractical.
Discussion has always been possible. True that we did reject arbitration, after discussing it with you, but that's a different thing. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
329
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:16:00 -
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Didn't these sorts of things used to be settled when a noble would throw a glove down on a table and we would have a trial by combat? Suddenly, after years of wondering about the barbarism of that system, suddenly I see why it was so necessary. Now, instead of two people fighting hopefully not to the death, Amarrian crewmen are dying to a mercenary force.
Why don't you both just take a battleship apiece and a form master to a spot of space and fight until one of you has taken the hull integrity of the other down to 50%? Crew losses would be minimal, it would only take one member of PIE out of the fight for the duration, nobody would have to pay any mercenaries.
It seems rather simple. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2464
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:41:00 -
[88] - Quote
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote: 2.) The lack of fulfilling the requirements to address Her Grace according to protocol and custom as established by the Book of Records under the entry of GÇ£Odelya of House dGÇÖHanguest, Duchess of PalasGÇ¥ (and with the addition of GÇ£HyperprotopansebastokratorissaGÇ¥ and GÇ£Porphyrogenita.GÇ¥)
I have to be honest, I have no idea what a Hyperprotopansebastokratorissa is, but it sounds like a complex polymer variant involved in some sort of orbital industrial process.
If anybody called me a Porphyrogenital my first reaction would probably be to swing at them. |
Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
23
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Posted - 2013.12.21 23:08:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
Dear Colonel,
Porphyrogenita, i.e. born into the purpleGÇöwithout the final GÇ£lGÇ¥, Colonel.
Hyperprotopansebastekratorissa is not translatable into a single word, but you will easily understand its meaning: hyper, i.e. above; proto, i.e. first; pan, i.e. all; sebaste, i.e. venerable; kratorissa, i.e. ruler. Hyperprotopansebastekratorissa. Effortless.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Ducal Chancellor
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |
Erin Savonarola
House Savonarola
0
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Posted - 2013.12.21 23:40:00 -
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A Holder that has to demand respect is no Holder. |
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