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Metternich Stele
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kindakrof
Originally by: Metternich Stele omg this was supposed to be an intersting post?
Tell me this was not just another whinger post?
This is whining. But i am trying to discuss with half-decent people about their opinions on how to fix all the bugs wich followed the Blood patch and exchanging information about what CCP has been doing. Apparently they have been doing more about the bugs than i knew/thought they were but there's still a long way to go.
Now, make a useful comment
Ok I didn't read your post until now. So you lost ship in a PvP incident during a patch. Of course if wasn't for said patch you would have won? This patch robbed of your PvP dignity so much you had to post about and hint that it was not your fault that your ship exploded when another person was shooting you.
We understand now - your ship exploded because of CCP and THEIR stupid patch, it had nothing to do with your own stupidity did it. It Tomb fault not yours OFFC.
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Bhuknar Hhallas
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Asane Edited by: Asane on 09/03/2006 01:11:03
Originally by: Bhuknar Hhallas And what have you thrown out? Hmm, let see.... A fanboy viled rant.
Let's break a few things down here. I don't think any of us know what CCP does behind doors, but I can safely bet that some of us in the IT field are left scratching their heads. Now next time how about you post on what I actually said, instead of you avoiding the issue.
'us in the IT field'
'us in the IT field' should be well aware of what happens when you try to fix something, even more so when you leave it to the sys admins, and even more so when you ask the admins try it on another system first, AND EVEN MORE so when you try to apply new hardware at the same time.
'us in the IT field' should be well aware of the fact that there is no chance in hell to even get a new RAM stick to work on the first attempt...
Edit: An onwards - you try to find the right bug in a flyswarm... Go ahead
Now, you try replacing a RAM module by constantly rebooting the server. Better try installing a hard drive. That is like your mechanic changing your oil while the engine is running. Stupid moves, if my company performed such a service for a company then I would be out of a job. It seems like the majority of the work ccp does is to put a band aid over the issue and not to fix it.
But you won't see that though. In fanboy land, everything is all milk and honey.
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:17:00 -
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Thread cleaned up. Please keep it ontopic and do not flame or troll.
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bhuknar Hhallas Now, you try replacing a RAM module by constantly rebooting the server. Better try installing a hard drive. That is like your mechanic changing your oil while the engine is running. Stupid moves, if my company performed such a service for a company then I would be out of a job. It seems like the majority of the work ccp does is to put a band aid over the issue and not to fix it.
But you won't see that though. In fanboy land, everything is all milk and honey.
And I'm sure you're the sys admin and so well bewandered in the land of networks and fiberoptics that you can actually make a comparsion like that. I'm sure you are. You actually think all they do is reboot? Ever occured to you that they might need to reboot due to the changes they made?
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Bhuknar Hhallas
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Asane
Originally by: Bhuknar Hhallas Now, you try replacing a RAM module by constantly rebooting the server. Better try installing a hard drive. That is like your mechanic changing your oil while the engine is running. Stupid moves, if my company performed such a service for a company then I would be out of a job. It seems like the majority of the work ccp does is to put a band aid over the issue and not to fix it.
But you won't see that though. In fanboy land, everything is all milk and honey.
And I'm sure you're the sys admin and so well bewandered in the land of networks and fiberoptics that you can actually make a comparsion like that. I'm sure you are. You actually think all they do is reboot? Ever occured to you that they might need to reboot due to the changes they made?
One reboot is fine but constant reboot are a problem. Reboots dont fix the problem, bringing the server down does. Like I stated before, it more like applying a bandaid instead of fixing the issue.
From the drone changes to the latest server hardware. I ask you this. Has your experience gotten any better?
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KirikaPhoenix
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Posted - 2006.03.09 01:51:00 -
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Reboots clear the massive memory issues the servers were experiencing, something that cannot be done on the fly.
How many unscheduled reboots have there been since CCP put up the tentative post that the memory leak was fixed?
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Kindakrof
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Posted - 2006.03.09 08:22:00 -
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Things have gotten alot better than they were 2-3 days after the patch, but there are still silly bugs and often my ship will not undock or jump. That happened only yesterday.
I know CCP are putting their work into it, i know we should give it 2-3 weeks before we whnie about the bugs. But as a paying subscriber i think i have the right to say that 2-3 weeks after one big patch is a bit much to ask for. Especially since all of us are wasting our subscription money on laggy weeks. I know it's hard on CCP and that they're doing their best. But that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement ----
my sig has lots of colors. is pretty and ISD like it so nobody can rob it from me :D |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.09 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bhuknar Hhallas
Originally by: Asane
Originally by: Bhuknar Hhallas Now, you try replacing a RAM module by constantly rebooting the server. Better try installing a hard drive. That is like your mechanic changing your oil while the engine is running. Stupid moves, if my company performed such a service for a company then I would be out of a job. It seems like the majority of the work ccp does is to put a band aid over the issue and not to fix it.
But you won't see that though. In fanboy land, everything is all milk and honey.
And I'm sure you're the sys admin and so well bewandered in the land of networks and fiberoptics that you can actually make a comparsion like that. I'm sure you are. You actually think all they do is reboot? Ever occured to you that they might need to reboot due to the changes they made?
One reboot is fine but constant reboot are a problem. Reboots dont fix the problem, bringing the server down does. Like I stated before, it more like applying a bandaid instead of fixing the issue.
From the drone changes to the latest server hardware. I ask you this. Has your experience gotten any better?
People are hostile cause people that have no clue what's going and/or what's being done are whining that CCP is doing it all wrong or nothing at all when that is complete bull****. They're the most dedicated dev team you could ever hope for and do know very well what they're doing, but EVE is far more complex in both hardware and software then you think. And simple things might not be as simple as you think. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.09 08:42:00 -
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what kind of crash? I think I just solved mine, click link m8!
Linkage
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.03.09 09:49:00 -
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Whiners & fanbois are always going to exist, nothing wrong with that, it's how it is.
Take a balanced view though - CCP, like ALL companies running MMORPGS know full well that lag, server issues, reboots, downtime are the things that players hate the most. Time and time again the things that generate the most vitriol, whining, cancelled accounts and heartache are server issues and lag or queues.
ALL of these companies, CCP, Blizzard, SOE, all try very hard to resolve these issues quickly. They're complex issues. Servers for MMORPGS aren't single PC's that can be quickly and easily rebooted, they're multi-component clusters with dedicated databases, function-specific hardware and 100's of people running them. Fixing the complicated problems that happen isn't a simple case of someone saying "Guys, stop making new content until we've fixed the lag".
Also content teams and technical teams are different teams -stopping the content development would have no affect on the bug fixes to be honest.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.03.09 09:58:00 -
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The worst patch deployment ever was Castor.
Blood has been like a walk in the park compared to Castor.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.09 10:02:00 -
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Content team = devs in this case. They're not separated. That's the reson behind no main story arc advancement in over a year. New toys are more interesting than old stories.
The bughunters are hunting bugs wich the devs should fix. The GM are there for petition work.
Hundreds of people tending the (now 70) servers? Yeah, right.
With a working quality control system 90% of the bugs would not make it onto tranquility. But quality control is not fun so who cares ... The devs obviously prefer working overtime. --*=*=*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
Blighter
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Posted - 2006.03.09 10:10:00 -
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They should seriously rollback the blood patch, becuase no one ever lost a ship to lag before Blood
Seriously, it comes with the turf of all MMO's. Sometimes there are disconnects, sometimes reboots. Name me one MMo that has not crashed, rebooted when you were playing? Just gotta roll wth the punches. Ever FPS's with personal servers have times when they are unstable.
My advice, roll with the punches. Or find a nice, offline game to play.
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Etruscus
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Posted - 2006.03.09 14:44:00 -
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I think there are two issues at hand here.
One, the OP does have a legit issue, which he posted about.
Two, those who read the forums on a regular basis (or even semi-regular) have seen the same or similar posts varying from vitriol to well crafted at least dozens if not hundreds of times since blood went live.
Mix that up in a bag, and what do you get?
Personally, I think the OP should have read a few days worth of backhistory on the forums and more then likely his concerns would have been answered. Maybe not, but at least then he could have stated why his position is different then dozens of other posters who came before him.
That said, I do not know how people can claim to "know" what will fix a problem and declare it to be just so simple. With 24,000ish people and over 100K accounts all trying to get into this game at any moment, if the solution was that simple, it would have been done. If you have all answers, you should put a job application in to CCP for QC - since you would be the QC God. Certain people must think CCP employees are playing foosball and measuring their respective nerfbats rather then doing their jobs. The next person to complain, how about delineating exactly what you think the average CCP employee should do with each hour of the day; keeping in mind "Fix it!" is not an answer.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.09 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake The worst patch deployment ever was Castor.
Blood has been like a walk in the park compared to Castor.
God yeah, remember that first week like it was yesterday. Oh and if you want your own thread locked mailing the mods at [email protected] is a good idea. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2006.03.09 15:57:00 -
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Thread locked. OP has edited his post and thread is no longer relevant.
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