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seth Hendar
I love you miners
264
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:07:00 -
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Agent Luther Sloan wrote:Tyrton wrote:Signal11th wrote: Run lvl 4's they are good for 15-30 mil an hour probably more (haven't run any for years but I imagine they are still around this mark)
fixed mission prices for you If you're only making 15-30 mil an hour running lvl 4's you are doing them wrong. Adding isk rewards + bounties + LP I make at least 50 mil/hour, up to 75 or so if I get two really good ones in a row. OP, hit me up in-game some time - I have standings to get decent lvl 4s from a couple corps and I'm always willing to help out someone new to missions. 50 to 70M / hour running lvl4 is the norm if done with regular BS / strat, in high sec.
if you max your connections + salvage + do it in a very good mission running ship like a machariel, this can go around 100-120M / hour.
up to 150-160 in lowsec, if you can chain them in peace.
but then if you can be in low without fearing trouble, there are then better means to make isk like running anoms / DED but this then require a good ship like a strat or an ishtar with good skills, a good t2 ishtar will be the bare minimum in investment to be able to run those solo, a 1B strat will do without blinking an eye, and in the long run, you will do far better than running lvl4, cause even if not all DED dropp big loot, the payout is at least 60-70M for a 5/10 and 70-90M for a 6/10, this is if no loot at all, just the personnal effect, this can go up to +-1b (the biggest i remember, might go even higher), i'd say a 300-500M / DED average is realistic if you do them often (based on my experience, and i'm not specially lucky on drop and i don't chase DED, just do the ones in my area) |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
800
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:30:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:
Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long
WHAT? Losing money when running mission? |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2733
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:37:00 -
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I just build stuff. It seems to work. Some nice people are paying me to build stuff for them. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:38:00 -
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If isk is all your concerned about then is it really a game? Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
801
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:41:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:If isk is all your concerned about then is it really a game?
Depends on what level you are having trouble making some. If you have trouble with making even a few million, even frig PVP will put large dent in your wallet so fixing that part of your game play is priority number one before any other potential fun can be had. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:42:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:If isk is all your concerned about then is it really a game?
In the early days of gaming we had only one measure. It was called "Score".
Do not assume that just because someone seeks ISK that it is somehow without meaning. |
Logical 101
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:50:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong. Knocking out almost 20 pages worth of posts and threads going back to 2012 without learning anything about EVE in the process was your first mistake. Your second mistake was being bad at EVE.
Assuming you are not a troll, please follow these steps to ensure ISK is generated...
1) Play this game with other people
2) Go back to the basics
3) HTFU and stop squirting tears all over my new suit
Good luck, se+¦or! |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
291
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:55:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Zol Interbottom wrote:
Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long
WHAT? Losing money when running mission?
Can only guess was using faction ammo with no supporting skills |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
801
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:00:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Zol Interbottom wrote:
Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long
WHAT? Losing money when running mission? Can only guess was using faction ammo with no supporting skills
With the wrong size of gun too maybe. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:09:00 -
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OP
On a serious note, you seem to lack the focus it takes to make isk. You need to choose what you want to do, train the proper skills and stick to it for a while. "Rome was not built in a day"
For example, you commented on your lack of standings gain, have you trained the social skills required to get a the best standings boost possible? Have you even made yourself aware of these skills? |
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ZenThunder
30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
6
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:45:00 -
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Sheesh - Just have fun. There are lots of weird ways of making isk that dont involve missions or mining... You can ninja salvage in low/null for example, or even in highsec near gankspots... Or find secret trade routes using the eve-central tools, or get a cheap frig and some exploration skills and just see whats out there. If you find something cool and make some isk great, if not then great you still had a good time. If you *want* to grind up missions then do it, but I found it boring as heck and could never bother (although I've always enjoyed mining so whatever)..
There are also ways of making money that are cool enough no-one will ever post them on the forums - its up to you to explore and discover/invent these on your own
be creative, have fun - don't grind unless its your thing.
Sounds weird but it would be fun to start over with zero cash and skills, just to see what I could do in a day/week/month.. You would be surprised.
Also - if you get spendy like I sometimes do.. It can help to have a second character who is just your 'bank'... keep siphoning isk off your main to your bank alt's wallet so you wont be tempted to waste isk.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3888
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:00:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Stefanita Juarez wrote:PvP pays good if you win enough. PvP in eve these days is blob or gank. So fit a cat go to Jita and ruin some noobs day. Crime pays in eve. Until I'm on a negative sec status, permanently trapped out of highsec with no money and no way to actually do anything
You are never trapped out of highsec. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Saji'us
Interstellar Booty Hunters
4
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:03:00 -
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0/10 |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3442
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:14:00 -
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Just go to the Character Bazaar and offer yourself for sale, OP.
That will do two things.
1) Give you some working capital. 2) You get to start a new character with some actual focus.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Careby
Careby Exploration
148
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:23:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:...Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long I don't dispute that running missions can be boring and that grinding standings can be tedious. But you say running missions was fine, which doesn't sound like you found them all that unpleasant. So I do not understand the "takes too long" part of your complaint. I can only guess that you have a very low threshold of pain, or that the goal of your post is something else entirely.
You only need modified standing of 5.0 with any one npc corp to have access to level 4 missions for that corp. You can get that in two hard days if you plan it right (that means regular missions and storyline missions for the same npc corp). I can't imagine how it could take longer than a week, even if you didn't have a plan. Well, I suppose I can - if you ran missions for many different corps instead of sticking with one.
But just so we're all on the same page, how many of each level mission have you run? And what is your highest standing with an npc corp? What kind of mission? Security, mining, or distribution? What social skills have you trained?
Sarcasm is OP |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
48
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:10:00 -
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I made 38 billion isk in last 2 months.....and in not even farming..... ISK is sooo easy to make
OP, factional warfare is your BEST and EASIEST way to make isk. you dont even need a ship, just spin them buttons in the noob ship, and cash out the LP.
or do missions if you like safety. |
Boomhaur
162
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:53:00 -
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I made over 500mil when my account lapse in the course of 2 weeks. That was just selling junk. Missions are easy as well, in the past over 50mil an hour, don't know what I do now in my TFI but I imagine it be more as the 50mil mark was in a Tengu. Pretty much when I got the TFI my internet provider decided they hate me and I have a shoddy connection now, lv4 + shoddy internet = dead ship so I avoid it. PI you can make some easy money there with very little work. or skill. Heck I can train 3 characters for 1 month (total) and get the total profit to be over 100mil by end of the month and thats starting from scratch.
So yeah OP learn to play, we don't hand out money to the weak. If you don't like it go back to WoW it may be more your speed. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
8
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:00:00 -
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I have played eve for nearly 10 years, in that time, I broke 1b isk twice, once 3 years ago when I sold all my assets over the years and got a donation from a member and bought a nyx, to just recently.
For 7 years I played eve with a max of 500m in my wallet. Most fo the time I would replace stuff I lost, or waste money on crap I did not need. Hell I did not break 200m till year 3.
I mined, missioned, npc's, pvped, etc. But when I ran my own corp my isk either went to replacing stuff I lost, or helping out my corp/corp mates. Was once accused of 'embezzling all my corp isk' when anyone who actually knows me, knows I have always been pretty much poor. I would have enough money to do what I wanted, and that suited me fine.
Why am I telling you that? Because as others have said, if you are poor you are doing something wrong. I would spend hours recruiting, or running pos' that I never took a cut from, because I found that sort of thing fun. The only way I ever saved any money was by using an alt and transferring isk to it. Cause if I had 100m I had to go buy a new ship, or skill, or undock and get blown up running fuel to pos' in providence (ah the kari pipe in the BoS UK days..)
So as a friend told me, the only way you will make money is when you WANT to make money, and then losses become unacceptable. So you need to look at your patterns and see what the hades you are wasting your isk on. And more then likely stp doing it, or make an alt that holds you money. Cause when you want a new ship, if you are not willing to log off and into your alt to buy it... then clearly you don't need it.
also check your skills, if you are not breaking 100m isk in at least a week (hell you can do it in a few hours) mining, then your skills are wrong. Same with pvp, missioning. You can easily make 100m doing lvl 4's or npcing if you do it right. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
8
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:09:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:
Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long
Then you need to figure out where your money is going. Missions is a faucet, money comes in. You should not lose any money, at all, just doing missions. So you are spending your money unwisely.
Its like the guy who makes a $1,000,000 a year, then wonders why he is always broke after paying all his bills and spending money in random stuff. Only you control your money, if you make isk then have none after, you are spending more then you take in. Stop doing that. People make money by saving it, not by getting 10m then buying a 10m isk skill book everytime they get 10m. |
Spartacus Batiatis
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:17:00 -
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Do Factional Warfare plexing, it's very lucrative even in tier 1. I gathered more than 600mills in just 3 days with my other new character plexing for the Gallente Federation.
If you wanna plunge into it, i advise you to read some articles about it first so that you'll invest your time more wisely. If you wanna do some thing do it right. |
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1708
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:22:00 -
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Farm wormholes baby!
Simple.
If you've tried it already and weren't making money then you were doing it wrong. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Ivan Krividus
Straightedge and Compass Industrial
34
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Posted - 2013.12.19 22:59:00 -
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Alright, I know OP, you need help.
So I am willing to help you out. Mail me in game and we can talk it out. If it looks like you know what you are doing here in EVE I will make a deal. Send me any amount of ISK. Anything. And I will double it and you will be off doing whatever the hell you like, instead of grinding for stupid standings.
In fact, you can use the money I send you for data center missions to instantly improve standings and never have to grind to be able to run L4s. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
821
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:44:00 -
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If you cannot undock it and fly it like you stole it, it's not worth buying. Spend ISK wisely, invest instead of spend.
Don't expect to get space rich in ten days, real wealth takes time, patience, and cooperation.
In PVP, firsts stick looted crap on a cheap hull and experiment. If something seems to work, buy the real thing (a t2 fitting). |
Trevor Dalech
CandyMan Cartel Point Blank Alliance
18
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:53:00 -
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I used to be a low sec explorer. When odyssey hit, I switched to shooting explorers, profits only increased.
But, as others said, figure out what you enjoy doing, then learn to be good at it. Essentially, you will only make ISK if you're better than the average noob. So do not spread your skills and be average at evrything, but specialize and be great at what you enjoy doing. |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
712
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:17:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.
I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.
Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.
I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.
For real?? You can make a few 100 mil a day just flying around low sec looting wrecks that are left behind.
Playing the market can be very profitable but the .01 isk game is not how you do it. You also need to be very committed to it and it is insanely fkn boring.
Find a new corp maybe. Having knowledgeable people around is 1/2 the battle.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
359
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:34:00 -
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Send me 100 million ISK and I will double it. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
947
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Posted - 2013.12.20 09:13:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Zol Interbottom wrote:
Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long
Then you need to figure out where your money is going. Missions is a faucet, money comes in. You should not lose any money, at all, just doing missions. So you are spending your money unwisely. Its like the guy who makes a $1,000,000 a year, then wonders why he is always broke after paying all his bills and spending money in random stuff. Only you control your money, if you make isk then have none after, you are spending more then you take in. Stop doing that. People make money by saving it, not by getting 10m then buying a 10m isk skill book everytime they get 10m.
I am startign to think he flies with an armor buffer ship and repairs it at station repair... :/ "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
35
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Posted - 2013.12.20 09:53:00 -
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There's a lot of good advice in this thread, so maybe what I post is superfluous, but you will get it anyway!
I was like you. After four years I had 40 million ISK in hand, most of the rest had been spent on skill books, BPOs, ships etc. I fluttered around like a butterfly, which from what you say is exactly what you are doing, never sticking to one thing for more that a day or two. Did this make me unhappy with EVE. Not on your life! I was doing what I enjoyed, and at root that is what this game is all about.
You have to decide on what it is about EVE that you enjoy. If having little money is getting in that way of doing that then you need to work out a way of getting an income that will support your aims. In my case it was PI and industry, I still don't make a lot of ISK but it does allow me to do what I want in the game.
So sit down, think about where you want to go, what you enjoy most and stick to it. If, as others here have said, you want to do mission running, then skill up, join a corps that specialises in mission running and learn how to do it.
Unless you have a real need to keep up with the plutocrats there is no need to amass huge wedges of cash, just have enough to let you play EVE the way you want to. After all it's your subscription and you can do whatever you like with your own property.
Good luck. |
Obunagawe
276
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Posted - 2013.12.20 12:08:00 -
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Just buy a damn PLEX.
You assholes have given buying PLEX a stigma of being "pay to win" and that anyone who would buy them is a "bad player". Now you're reaping your rewards in the form of 620M per unit. Ironically the only people you've benefited is the people who want to buy PLEX for cash. |
Meskiaggaseir
Anunnaku Industrial Corp.
19
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Posted - 2013.12.20 12:19:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Zol Interbottom wrote:Rin Valador wrote:If you cant find something you enjoy and make money from it i don't like your chances of sticking around. Well that's the ******* thing, I've spent more time grinding for rep then i have making money, i lost most of the sec status I've ever made in 5 minutes, i usually just come back once a year to see how the latest expansion is going and what all the current drama is. Considering the average amount of my wallet is usually less than 20m ISK and i still don't have high enough reputation with any agent after days of grinding i don't really know why the **** I'm actually sticking around. Whine whine, you don't actually play, stay away for a year and somehow magically expect isk to fall into your lap. Perhaps you should just realise you're simply not smart enough and stick to WOW or Hello kitty online. No, I grind for hours and hour, days and days, check my ****, oh look, ******* nothing, burn the **** out and give up, come back six months later and give it another try, you're just not getting it they said, it's fun once you get on your feet and figure out what your doing and I come crawling the **** back. Maye I should just go back to WoW, I hear there are pandas and its becoming more like the vanilla, at least in WoW, I don't spend all ******* week grinding for a 0.01 rep increase
yes good idea go back to wow , whats a rep increase btw? |
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