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Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Reddit and twitter not subject to CCP's rule or EULA
This is exactly the point. They can't prove or disprove anything that happened there was actually carried out by the eve player in question: DBRB.
So say you get some rookie CEO of a highsec 'Industry focused corp' with more assets than common sense to let you join his corp. A week goes by and you help teach him the ways of running a corp.
You tell him that as a member of his corp a CCP GM sent you an email claiming the corp is doing something in violation of TOS. Now youve been a very helpful advisor to this rookie CEO so he trusts you but just wants to see the email before he gives you the roles you requested to fix the 'TOS violation'. So you fabricate an email and dump it to pastebin-not wanting to give out the password to your email.
Now seeing is believing and he has faith in you to help him get his corp 100% legit again. So he gives you the roles, you rob him blind, and he is understandably upset. Now you take down the pastebin right after your done stealing everything.
He goes to CCP with his story and 0 proof. You tell CCP you just smooth talked your way into his good graces and robbed him first chance you got and everything else he says is a lie. This is EVE mind you and upset people say crazy things, and with no way to verify that you impersonated a GM with a fake email they let you go.
Now tell me how that is going to be me banned or is in anyway different from CCP's point of view as far as being able to act on the info given. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2151
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:52:00 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:If you think by impersonating a GM outside of Eve is ok, let me say this was brought up not long ago about using alts as well. That anytime you impersonate somebody real or virtual, depending on the laws of where you are, you CAN be found and brought before the courts with charges out the wazoo.
My advice to you is don't do it unless you want to rot away in prison for doing something like this. like this
I don't know where you got that you can get jail time from this, regardless of territorial laws. I'd really love to see the US try to expedite an Australian citizen for impersonating Mickey Mouse. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17843
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:54:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote: This is exactly the point. They can't prove or disprove anything that happened there was actually carried out by the eve player in question: DBRB.
They can when the scam victim reports you to the GMs for impersonating a GM for in-game gain, at which point it no longer matters where you did it.
Quote: He goes to CCP with his story and 0 proof. GǪaside from all the stuff you used to scam him, which they will nail you for since what you're doing is against the EULA and they don't mid around with this stuff. Thus, they'lll belive him far mire than you.
Now, since you're going to be so obtuse about this and are determined to get yourself banned, can I have your stuff. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7065
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:55:00 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:If you think by impersonating a GM outside of Eve is ok, let me say this was brought up not long ago about using alts as well. That anytime you impersonate somebody real or virtual, depending on the laws of where you are, you CAN be found and brought before the courts with charges out the wazoo.
My advice to you is don't do it unless you want to rot away in prison for doing something like this. like this Why are we blue? I think someone made a mistake somewhere. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Curious Bear wrote: This is exactly the point. They can't prove or disprove anything that happened there was actually carried out by the eve player in question: DBRB.
They can when the scam victim reports you to the GMs for impersonating a GM for in-game gain, at which point it no longer matters where you did it. Quote: He goes to CCP with his story and 0 proof. GǪaside from all the stuff you used to scam him, which they will nail you for since what you're doing is against the EULA and they don't mid around with this stuff. Thus, they'lll belive him far more than you. If you're really, really lucky, they'll just reverse the whole thing so you end up with nothing. Now, since you're going to be so obtuse about this and are determined to get yourself banned, can I have your stuff.
Everything i used to scam him would be over mumble or pastebin. Would join the corp with an app and then just help him and other corp mates in mumble to gain their trust. Fake gm email is on pastebin and then removed. What proof can he provide CCP?
So basically what your saying is since CCP will blindly believe what the victim says (that i impersonated a GM/Faked GM corespondence with ZERO supporting evidence) and ban me.
I guess i dont have to worry about locking anything down in my next corp b/c next time someone awoxes the corp i can just say "UM HE TOLD ME HE WAS A GM HURR" and be in the clear.
And yes you can have my draek. |
Ricard Chastot
Snake Eye Production
20
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:06:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:He goes to CCP with his story and 0 proof. You tell CCP you just smooth talked your way into his good graces and robbed him first chance you got and everything else he says is a lie. This is EVE mind you and upset people say crazy things, and with no way to verify that you impersonated a GM with a fake email they let you go.
If you have to lie to CCP in order for your plan to work, then it's not within the rules. You're no longer asking if it is or even arguing that is it. Instead you're discussing (on their own forums) how to get around the rules and trick CCP.
Oh noes I'm doing it rong. |
stoicfaux
3469
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:15:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:Tippia wrote: Reddit and twitter not subject to CCP's rule or EULA
This is exactly the point. They can't prove or disprove anything that happened there was actually carried out by the eve player in question: DBRB. But CCP doesn't have to prove anything. They can ban you without reason.
Quote:Now tell me how that is going to be me banned or is in anyway different from CCP's point of view as far as being able to act on the info given. I agree that CCP would be loathe to ban you at first. However, CCP isn't stupid, and if they notice a trend, they'll act on it before it damages their reputation/income/business.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17843
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:19:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote: Everything i used to scam him would be over mumble or pastebin.
GǪthereby providing the evidence that you're breaking the EULA.
And per above, you are fully aware that your entire strategy is against the rules and you have communicated this to the world. Guess what will happen when you break those rules and start lying to the GMs to try to make up excusesGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:27:00 -
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This is entriely hypothetical. CCP can see i have two acounts with one character each (minus this alt which is 1 day old) and have been in one corp since i started. Im not going to do anything ive described above. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to make a post like this then turn around and do what they described.
The point is i don't think CCP takes GM impersonation very seriously. Thanks all for making this a little more visible. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17843
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:29:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:The point is i don't think CCP takes GM impersonation very seriously. Thanks all for making this a little more visible. What makes you think that? Last time it was tried, people got slapped hard. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7068
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Curious Bear wrote:The point is i don't think CCP takes GM impersonation very seriously. Thanks all for making this a little more visible. What makes you think that? Last time it was tried, people got slapped hard. You realize this thread has nothing to do with using GM impersonation to scam, and everything about an obfuscated personal crusade against a player because they're upset that he wasn't banned for something he didn't do. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5338
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Posted - 2013.12.21 06:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:Curious Bear wrote:The point is i don't think CCP takes GM impersonation very seriously. Thanks all for making this a little more visible. What makes you think that? Last time it was tried, people got slapped hard. You realize this thread has nothing to do with using GM impersonation to scam, and everything about an obfuscated personal crusade against a player because they're upset that he wasn't banned for something he didn't do. A Large Scarlet Vessel There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1798
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Posted - 2013.12.21 08:22:00 -
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I doubt CCP really cares about somebody writing up fake GM correspondence to troll reddit/twitter but you'll undoubtedly be slapped hard if you write up fake GM correspondence to add legitimacy to a scam. Idiots are jumping on this "ban dbrb for writing up GM correspondence and because grrgoons" train and it's going to go nowhere. npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Kate stark
1007
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Posted - 2013.12.21 09:24:00 -
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wait, who did dbrb scam? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5340
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Posted - 2013.12.21 09:45:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:wait, who did dbrb scam? Reddit, maybe en24
They were delighted at his banning. These "reverse tears" were harvested... There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7069
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Posted - 2013.12.21 09:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:A Large Scarlet Vessel The Giant Crimson Watercraft?
Reddit was trolled probably before DBRB was aware of all the pubbie outrage. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5340
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Posted - 2013.12.21 09:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:A Large Scarlet Vessel The Giant Crimson Watercraft? Reddit was trolled probably before DBRB was aware of all the pubbie outrage. He said that some N3 guy posted the incriminating fleet chat logs, so yeah... There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1155
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Posted - 2013.12.21 11:05:00 -
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was going to link CCP OhWell's twitter to end this silly discussion but he added a disclaimer |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17845
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:You realize this thread has nothing to do with using GM impersonation to scam, and everything about an obfuscated personal crusade against a player because they're upset that he wasn't banned for something he didn't do. Of course. I'm just interested in seeing in what kind of logic pretzel the OP is trying to bake to make that point. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
406
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:44:00 -
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Wow these guys are desperate. Signed, Implying |
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ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
2793
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Posted - 2013.12.21 15:48:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:Goon button mashers calling out N3 button mashers.... Best thread ever. GETCHER POPCORN 'ERE! TUPPENCE A BUCKET! Dodixie > Hek |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5341
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:You realize this thread has nothing to do with using GM impersonation to scam, and everything about an obfuscated personal crusade against a player because they're upset that he wasn't banned for something he didn't do. Of course. I'm just interested in seeing in what kind of logic pretzel the OP is trying to bake to make that point.
Implying Implications wrote:Wow these guys are desperate. Be careful, pretzels can be dangerous There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jove Death
The Jovian Navy
316
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:39:00 -
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User attempts to crash node by advising chars to log off and on plus drop drones.
Then you get GM Nova.
\o/ your fooked! Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7084
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:37:00 -
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Jove Death wrote:User attempts to crash node by advising chars to log off and on plus drop drones.
Then you get GM Nova.
\o/ your fooked! We don't carry curators or wardens. Ever. We also don't combine Domi and dread fleets. We also don't have an Omega fit yet. Those logs are doctored. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5342
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:47:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jove Death wrote:User attempts to crash node by advising chars to log off and on plus drop drones.
Then you get GM Nova.
\o/ your fooked! We don't carry curators or wardens. Ever. We also don't combine Domi and dread fleets. We also don't have an Omega fit yet. Those logs are doctored. Are people still falling for those stupid logs There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
975
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:53:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jove Death wrote:User attempts to crash node by advising chars to log off and on plus drop drones.
Then you get GM Nova.
\o/ your fooked! We don't carry curators or wardens. Ever. We also don't combine Domi and dread fleets. We also don't have an Omega fit yet. Those logs are doctored. Are people still falling for those stupid logs
Sadly, yeah. I was discussing EVE elsewhere, and some pubbie vomited up about how "a key leader in Goonswarm" had been "permabanned, and possibly in legal trouble". the DBRB fake Email was then shown.
The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7084
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:54:00 -
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Hahahaha legal trouble. Oh god. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5342
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:06:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jove Death wrote:User attempts to crash node by advising chars to log off and on plus drop drones.
Then you get GM Nova.
\o/ your fooked! We don't carry curators or wardens. Ever. We also don't combine Domi and dread fleets. We also don't have an Omega fit yet. Those logs are doctored. Are people still falling for those stupid logs Sadly, yeah. I was discussing EVE elsewhere, and some pubbie vomited up about how "a key leader in Goonswarm" had been "permabanned, and possibly in legal trouble". the DBRB fake Email was then shown. How is boat a key leader... There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
502
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:07:00 -
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aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhaahahhahahaahaaa
No. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1798
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:21:00 -
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dbrb, a key leader in goonswarm
cripes npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
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