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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:56:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:At this stage, I'm just relieved that CCP has gone from idiotic large scale interference in the sandbox to idiotic small scale interference in the sandbox.
If you look at it like that then I guess progress has been made.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
389
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm having a hard time mustering the care for this.
You're obviously not in the business of producing Tech 2. This pretty much guts anyone who produces these items, making entire PI and POS chains obsolete due to the market suddenly flooding with goods.
It's CCP messing with the sandbox again. Now production has to worry if CCP will simply start spawning goods they produce. To make a PvP comparison, it's like that time they had an 'event' to help clear out all those alliance POS in Fountain with CCP spawned dreadnoughts and fleets.
I wonder which alliance they're helping this time?
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2050
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:07:00 -
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OP is doing it wrong. This is all a matter of perspective.
I received a Miner II and an Expanded Probe Launcher II.
This tells OP, "ZOMG FUKKEN CCP they hate T2 production, let me BAWWW on forums."
It tells me, "Oh, hey. Some **** I won't use that I will reprocess at no cost to me. Also, I should gank more miners and explorers." Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Damasi DeFanel
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:19:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Kate stark wrote:
no, i didn't. if you're dumb enough to think that's even remotely what I implied then I worry for you.
they might be meant as a joke but that's kinda the point, they're only a joke in the "this is a waste of ******* time" rather than "oh, that's cool". the only one that i haven't redeemed and thought "why did i bother/what was i expecting?" was fedo. even then, i'd rather have had 1 remap than any of the junk we've been given so far.
Why don't you just claim them all on the 24th? problem solved. You only have to claim the **** once and you will get something neat on top of it, it will probably not be a remap, but it will be something of value. You whine like a little spoiled kid who thinks that every gift must be something super awesome and you fail to understand that these gifts are all parts of one gift, where the last 1 or 2 parts are the actual gifts. I find it entertaining to read about the yule lads and then guess what they give. It is nice to learn about other traditions and for some reason there is something nostalgic over christmas calenders like this. Makes me think of my childhood. And the fedo is funny. I wish I could have it crawling around in my CQ.
Next xmas.... an arena to battle fedo against each other for a piece of meat....
You know you want it >.>
Staged fedo duels, gambling isk on the odds... whole new game. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
979
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:21:00 -
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You know, bitching about gifts given to you is an activity done by crass, lowbrow, uneducated people. It's a really great way to convince CCP that it's really just not worth the bother next year.
So far, I think all the gewgaws and trinkets are nifty, and they sort of "fit" with the Yule Lad handing them out. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
509
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:30:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:T1 modules can also be npc drops
Actually, they can't. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
385
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:32:00 -
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Have to say, I enjoy the gifts so far, and we're not at the end yet. The biggest hit so far in gifts seem to have been the festival launchers + snowballs (albeit many already had it) and the Fedo (my blogpost about the fedo gathered quite some attention, so people definately liked to know more about the Fedo's background & lore ingame)
Tbh, people whine each year about the gifts.... no matter how good or bad they are... So imo, CCP should just do what they like, and make the people happy who just enjoy getting free gifts. Remember, they're not required to hand out fgifts, and for a while they barely even did. Preparing for the Luminaire celebrations and other happy news! Latest Top Newsfeed:More info about your newest pet, the Fedo! ! |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
509
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:34:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm having a hard time mustering the care for this. You're obviously not in the business of producing Tech 2. This pretty much guts anyone who produces these items, making entire PI and POS chains obsolete due to the market suddenly flooding with goods. It's CCP messing with the sandbox again. Now production has to worry if CCP will simply start spawning goods they produce. To make a PvP comparison, it's like that time they had an 'event' to help clear out all those alliance POS in Fountain with CCP spawned dreadnoughts and fleets. I wonder which alliance they're helping this time?
[url=http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/ows_137730809360460.jpg]WTS Industrial-sized lot: 4x Roll Aluminum Foil 3m width by 5,000m length. Perfect for hats! [/url Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7110
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:38:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm having a hard time mustering the care for this. You're obviously not in the business of producing Tech 2. This pretty much guts anyone who produces these items, making entire PI and POS chains obsolete due to the market suddenly flooding with goods. It's CCP messing with the sandbox again. Now production has to worry if CCP will simply start spawning goods they produce. To make a PvP comparison, it's like that time they had an 'event' to help clear out all those alliance POS in Fountain with CCP spawned dreadnoughts and fleets. I wonder which alliance they're helping this time? I understand just fine what it means. However it's still pretty small potatoes. T2 data/relic analyzers and core/expanded probe launchers. Not worth getting very upset over. But it's worth getting CCP to recognize the issue, so I suppose you have a point. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. The Cursed Few
59
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:47:00 -
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Go home, you're drunk.
Unfiltered for the masses.
Forum Posting - Basic Common Sense Level - III Grammar Level - III Reading Comprehension - III Facetiousness - III Skin Level- V Trolling Level - V |
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Cyber SGB
Bionetic Creations
39
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:06:00 -
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I without a shadow of a doubt, believe some people take this game, way too ******* serious. I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
390
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:32:00 -
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So you don't think giving everyone in the game a free one will impact the people trying to sell them? Imagine being stuck with dozens of now worthless T2 mods you're trying to sell.
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
836
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:41:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote: You're obviously not in the business of producing Tech 2. This pretty much guts anyone who produces these items, making entire PI and POS chains obsolete due to the market suddenly flooding with goods.
It's CCP messing with the sandbox again. Now production has to worry if CCP will simply start spawning goods they produce. To make a PvP comparison, it's like that time they had an 'event' to help clear out all those alliance POS in Fountain with CCP spawned dreadnoughts and fleets.
I wonder which alliance they're helping this time?
I understand just fine what it means. However it's still pretty small potatoes. T2 data/relic analyzers and core/expanded probe launchers. Not worth getting very upset over. But it's worth getting CCP to recognize the issue, so I suppose you have a point. It is pretty small potatoes seen from a general game perspective.
The value of the injected modules aren't enough to cause any real impact on the overall market.
But it's more than enough to cause a real impact on the market for those specific modules.
Setting up a T2 production chain (even if it's just modules) isn't exactly trivial, nor cheap, so having that specific market shot dead will have an impact for some players.
On the other hand, stuff like this happens every time something is tweaked in the game, and often with much deeper impact.
Ships/modules go from more or less unused to FOTM and the market for all related modules and materials goes bananas.
It's simply a part of the game for any T2 manufacturer.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Winchester Steele
243
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:20:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing. T1 modules can also be npc drops and thus those are less of an issue but T2 items are all player produced and while they're "just" T2 data and relic analysers it does affect supply and demand for a player created product, effectively fcking over anyone producing or trading these (and no, I'm not one of them).
CCP shouldn't interfere with the market on specific items (be they Ishuk Scorpions, Magnates, T2 modules or whatever other silly thing they may come up with) like that, one would have thought they'd have learned that by now. Ideally they'd only give away stuff that's without any sort of use and doesn't interfere with any existing product but realistically that'll be quite difficult and costly to come up with something new every time, but they should at least realise what NOT to do.
Proof positive that Eve players will ***** and moan about literally ANYTHING. ... |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
932
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:24:00 -
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This won't do anything to the market. Drones and T2 modules die all the time. The only market items we got that are permanently devalued are the clothes.... but those items were amongst the cheapest ones, anyhow. It's not like they gave everyone a monocle or a robot arm. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
171
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:28:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:baltec1 wrote:I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets. Basically this. A load of T1/T2 junk is basically nothing. 30 Ishukone Scorpions are something totally different, OP.
This! These mods are common and have low value the value of IWS was around 20+ billion before they started to seep onto the market (the secret ones) causing a huge market cost drop causing all types of strife.
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Damasi DeFanel
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.12.22 18:44:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:So you don't think giving everyone in the game a free one will impact the people trying to sell them? Imagine being stuck with dozens of now worthless T2 mods you're trying to sell.
a) everyone in the game really means Everyone who can be bothered to click the link and claim a prize, THEN redeem it.... which i assure you isnt going to be "everyone"
b) Loss through suicide ganks, gate camps, mission fubars, overheating damage etc really negates how much ONE item per person is going to effect the overall economy of said item.
c) Really doesnt make the entire stock of the T2 mod given away "worthless"
Eram, we are going to need a hell of alot more of that foil. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2013.12.22 19:01:00 -
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I want BPOs for the Rookie ships =) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18463
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Posted - 2013.12.22 19:02:00 -
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The gifts from the Yule Lads are great. Doesn't matter if they're top of the line or bottom of the barrel, the price is right and it's the thought that counts.
Each year I look forward to and love the fact that CCP does this type of thing. This is something they do that's above and beyond the call of duty as game designers.
The OP claims these free gifts are game breaking actions yet wants to have free Neural Remaps to change attributes in order to train specific skills faster. That can also be considered as game breaking actions and I personally don't see any difference between the two.
Bottom line - if people can't say anything nice about CCP's generosity at this time of year, then they shouldn't say anything at all.
DMC |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
390
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Posted - 2013.12.22 19:10:00 -
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Damasi DeFanel wrote: b) Loss through suicide ganks, gate camps, mission fubars, overheating damage etc really negates how much ONE item per person is going to effect the overall economy of said item.
c) Really doesnt make the entire stock of the T2 mod given away "worthless"
Prices on them dropped below material values. That's 'worthless' enough for most people.
By the by: how many scan probe launcher 2's do you think get lost due to overheating, per se? gate camps are pretty much the only place you might lose one of those, since they're not used in missions and don't, IIRC, allow overheating,
These are not items like T2 turrets or ammo that get burned through quickly. The Scan probe launcher one will impact the market for the foreseeable future, if even 20% of the people bothered to click twice to get theirs. And they will, because CCP doesn't tell you what you'll get, it's a surprise. So more people will click on the off chance that it's something good.
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2013.12.22 19:11:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:The gifts from the Yule Lads are great. Doesn't matter if they're top of the line or bottom of the barrel, the price is right and it's the thought that counts.
Each year I look forward to and love the fact that CCP does this type of thing. This is something they do that's above and beyond the call of duty as game designers.
The OP claims these free gifts are game breaking actions yet wants to have free Neural Remaps to change attributes in order to train specific skills faster. That can also be considered as game breaking actions and I personally don't see any difference between the two.
Bottom line - if people can't say anything nice about CCP's generosity at this time of year, then they shouldn't say anything at all.
DMC
Show me where I mention remaps. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18464
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Posted - 2013.12.22 19:17:00 -
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Ahhh, my mistake and I'm sorry.
Seems I saw someone else saying that so I'll retract my statement asap.
DMC |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2013.12.22 19:39:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Prices on them dropped below material values.
Sounds like it's time to stop crying and start putting up buy orders then. They're not going to stay that way forever. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Na Kahm
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.12.22 20:22:00 -
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IB4L, as I am sure it will be soon John 17 : 23 |
Adeena Torcfist
Right Hand Of The Legion.
51
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Posted - 2013.12.22 21:59:00 -
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I manufacture many T2 items. the give away is so insignificant, its not even going to effect me. Your reading way too much into this, & considering ships go boom a lot, & new alts/members etc join or existing people complete the skills to use the modules, they will still sell.
Even if the price was to be reduced a tiny little bit, everything else to make that said item will also drop. allow for fluctuations. so.....
Dear CCP:
Moar T2 itemz please
I don't want T1/named stuff, that's what missions & ratting is for. |
Abdullah Bahdoon
Somali Initiative for Dialogue and Posting
9
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Posted - 2013.12.22 22:08:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing.
But yet can I have your t2 gifts please ? |
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
151
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Posted - 2013.12.24 04:04:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing. T1 modules can also be npc drops and thus those are less of an issue but T2 items are all player produced and while they're "just" T2 data and relic analysers it does affect supply and demand for a player created product, effectively fcking over anyone producing or trading these (and no, I'm not one of them).
CCP shouldn't interfere with the market on specific items (be they Ishuk Scorpions, Magnates, T2 modules or whatever other silly thing they may come up with) like that, one would have thought they'd have learned that by now. Ideally they'd only give away stuff that's without any sort of use and doesn't interfere with any existing product but realistically that'll be quite difficult and costly to come up with something new every time, but they should at least realise what NOT to do.
They handed out a large range of T2 items. I got an t2 expanded cargo hold for example. This minimizes the effect on the market as only a few thousand of each module are handed out. The modules were also very common and enjoy a large sales volume. Would surprise me if what they handed out was a fraction of the amount produced daily so impact will be negligible imo. Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Felicity Love
Nighthawk Exploration
1095
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Posted - 2013.12.24 04:06:00 -
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... you know the 12-13 Day of Yule Lads is over when... the "*****-o-meter" starts spiking...
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7624
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Posted - 2013.12.24 06:01:00 -
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As the only producer of Leopards in Eve, I am outraged by CCP seeding the markets with the wares I work my fingers to the bone to create.
My family Fedo farm has also recently taken a huge loss due to a massive influx of fedo-puppy-mill fedos on the market. These inferior Fedos have many health issues stemming from their forced breeding and inhumane conditions of their captivity.
For shame CCP. You are putting small business owners in a tight spot AND are supporting the abuse of Fedos.
For Shame! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
961
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Posted - 2013.12.24 06:04:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:As the only producer of Leopards in Eve, I am outraged by CCP seeding the markets with the wares I work my fingers to the bone to create.
My family Fedo farm has also recently taken a huge loss due to a massive influx of fedo-puppy-mill fedos on the market. These inferior Fedos have many health issues stemming from their forced breeding and inhumane conditions of their captivity.
For shame CCP. You are putting small business owners in a tight spot AND are supporting the abuse of Fedos.
For Shame!
Liked this post for being a stealth "don't buy your kid a puppy for Christmas" post... That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
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