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Niclas Solo
Caldari High Prime The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.12.27 23:48:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.
Even the death star died to a frigate. |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2287
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:04:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR. Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread?? whos with me You go right ahead and fit smalls in your high slots... If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9584
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:39:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR. Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread?? whos with me You go right ahead and fit smalls in your high slots...
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Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:51:00 -
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For the same reason a blue whale can't catch a barracuda? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
1075
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Posted - 2013.12.29 00:42:00 -
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Can you guys speak up? I can't hear you over the sound of all these smartbombs going off. Also, large neuts + a flight of lights are good ways to fight off frigates, but you can't keep up indefinately against a frigate onslaught. As it should be, it's a game after all. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2792
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Posted - 2013.12.29 00:47:00 -
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why is this thread stil going? is all bittervet trols with no imaginaton? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1606
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Posted - 2013.12.29 02:05:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:In the next exciting episode of "Why not" we discuss why we don't have area effect remote repairing.
I'd hate to disappoint you... but there is. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
807
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Posted - 2013.12.29 03:18:00 -
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So i will ask why not? |
Dyphorus
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2013.12.29 06:02:00 -
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Ever heard of balance? |
Abisha Baboli
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Posted - 2013.12.29 08:19:00 -
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it's a serious design flaw. i will never create a Battleship without at least point defense turrets.
oh and miniguns for those missiles..... even battleships here on earth have them, but in EvE??!!.. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1260
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Posted - 2013.12.29 10:47:00 -
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Dyphorus wrote:Ever heard of balance? Balance in what way?
One could say a 500 million isk Battleship caught and killed (albeit slowly) by a 30 million isk frigate is imbalanced.
Another could say its a result of balance.
My personal opinion is its unreasonable to expect to kill the former with the latter alone. Its reasonable for a good amount of the the latter to kill a battleship but they should expect to take some losses.
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Draconigea
Angry Angels Nachrichtendienst
6
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Posted - 2013.12.29 11:01:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Ever heard of balance? Balance in what way? One could say a 500 million isk Battleship caught and killed (albeit slowly) by a 30 million isk frigate is imbalanced. Another could say its a result of balance. My personal opinion is its unreasonable to expect to kill the former with the latter alone. Its reasonable for a good amount of the the latter to kill a battleship but they should expect to take some losses.
ONE Frigatte can't kill a propper fitted BS....no way....
But think again...what if the BS has anti-frig weapons and can fight everything which is smaller....why use ANYTHING small? No need for support fleets for Titans....they could kill everything by their own....
Ridiculous balacing... |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
251
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Posted - 2013.12.29 11:13:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:why is this thread stil going? is all bittervet trols with no imaginaton?
You've created a monster.
Again.
LOL
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1260
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Posted - 2013.12.29 11:29:00 -
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Draconigea wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Ever heard of balance? Balance in what way? One could say a 500 million isk Battleship caught and killed (albeit slowly) by a 30 million isk frigate is imbalanced. Another could say its a result of balance. My personal opinion is its unreasonable to expect to kill the former with the latter alone. Its reasonable for a good amount of the the latter to kill a battleship but they should expect to take some losses. ONE Frigatte can't kill a propper fitted BS....no way.... But think again...what if the BS has anti-frig weapons and can fight everything which is smaller....why use ANYTHING small? No need for support fleets for Titans....they could kill everything by their own.... Ridiculous balacing... Properly fit for what? I assure you there are some frigs which could and do kill properly fit battleships alone.
Well a super carrier and even regular carrier can fight everything smaller very easily. 25 & 15 warrior IIs or 25 & 15 garde IIs = insta death to any frigs.
So why is everyone not flying around in only SC or regular carrier. |
Arwen Ariniel
Shaolin Legacy Preatoriani
21
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:29:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.
DEATH STAR, was killed by a fighter... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1262
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:44:00 -
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Arwen Ariniel wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.
DEATH STAR, was killed by a fighter... With the assistance of magical powers. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2378
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:44:00 -
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thats the same question they must have asked after pearl harbor. Why can all this small stuff make this big stuff go boom? eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9694
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Posted - 2013.12.30 05:05:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Properly fit for what? I assure you there are some frigs which could and do kill properly fit battleships alone.
If a single frig kills a battleship solo then the battleship was not well fitted.
Infinity Ziona wrote: So why is everyone not flying around in only SC or regular carrier.
As of one month ago they are.
Capital ships have been nerfed several times because they were ripping all subcaps apart. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
244
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Posted - 2013.12.30 11:01:00 -
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They can especially capital ships, you just have to have enough of them. TIDI IS NIGHTMARE - CCP SHOW US THE TIMERS Reactivation timers on : MJD and more. Please like & post in this idea to keep it visible. |
Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
2098
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Posted - 2013.12.30 12:05:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:has anyone heard of point defense??]
Yes. Drones.
Batelle wrote:Its called a Heavy Energy Neutralizer.
Which does exactly nothing when your opponent is using autocannons. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
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Sadayiel
Inner Conflict
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Posted - 2013.12.30 12:18:00 -
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Quoting some old old Dev statement.
No Ship was ever designed as be a Solopwnmobile. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9694
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:04:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Apparently you have never seen an Ishkur in action.
Ishkur too stronk. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:34:00 -
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Just for a little perspective below is the armament for the Iowa-class battleship at various points in their history
Class & type: Iowa-class battleship Displacement: 45,000 tons Length: 887 ft 7 in (270.54 m) Beam: 108.2 ft (33.0 m) Draft: 28.9 ft (8.8 m) Speed: 33 knots (61 km/h) Complement: 1,921 officers and men Sensors and processing systems: AN/SPS-49 Air Search Radar AN/SPS-67 Surface Search Radar AN/SPQ-9 Surface Search / Gun Fire Control Radar Electronic warfare & decoys: AN/SLQ-32 AN/SLQ-25 Nixie Decoy System 8 +ù Mark 36 SRBOC Super Rapid Bloom Rocket Launchers Armament: 1943: 9 +ù 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal. Mark 7 guns 20 +ù 5 in (127 mm) 38 cal. Mark 12 guns 80 +ù 40 mm 56 cal. anti-aircraft guns 49 +ù 20 mm 70 cal. anti-aircraft guns 1968: 9 +ù 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal Mark 7 guns 20 +ù 5 in (127 mm) 38 cal Mark 12 guns 1982: 9 +ù 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal. Mark 7 guns 12 +ù 5 in (127 mm) 38 cal. Mark 12 guns 32 +ù BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles 16 +ù RGM-84 Harpoon Anti-Ship missiles 4 +ù 20 mm/76 cal. Phalanx CIWS Armor: Belt: 12.1 in (310 mm) Bulkheads: 11.3 in (290 mm) Barbettes: 11.6 to 17.3 in (290 to 440 mm) Turrets: 19.7 in (500 mm) Decks: 7.5 in (190 mm) Aircraft carried: 1943: 2 catapults 3 Vought OS2U Kingfisher Floatplanes 1982: Deck for up to 4 Helicopters
Its pretty clear that there is simply no possibility that a ship like the New Jersey could have ever been solo'd by a lesser ship in typical eve fashion. Its also pretty clear that the reason why every tom **** and harry nation didnt go out an acquire fleets of battleships to rule the waves was the cost associated with building and maintaining the ships. Even in the battleships heyday, battleships were limited to a handful of nations. In contrast, in eve, just about every toon that is older then six months can afford fleets of battleships. Because of the ease of acquiring isk, there is no realistic barrier against players acquiring and using battleships without limitation. Which is a long winded way of pointing out that while eve is a space simulation that is supposed to have realistic elements, at its core, it is just a game. And as a game it requires some semblance of balance to be fun, which in turn leads the developers to add unrealistic elements such as turret limitations on battleships.
Ofc if I was the developer god and could fashion eve the way i wanted, I would have had battleships be armed more like real world battleships and would have added severe costs, building, maintenance, crew, etc. . . to control the proliferation of such ships in the eve universe. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9694
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:54:00 -
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The Austro-Hungarian Dreadnoughts didn't have a very good time.
One was sunk by two Italian motor torpedo boats.
A second was suck by Italian Frogmen who planted a mine on her side Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
812
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:38:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Batelle wrote:Its called a Heavy Energy Neutralizer. Which does exactly nothing when your opponent is using autocannons..
It just turns of the frigs AB, tracking dissruptor, ewaar, shield booster, repper or whatever else needs energy to run. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
826
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Posted - 2013.12.31 09:23:00 -
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Arwen Ariniel wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.
DEATH STAR, was killed by a fighter... The Death Star's point defense turrets popped almost the entire fleet. Only Luke Skywalker and Wedge Antilles were fast enough to speed tank those turrets. Wedge got beat by a gang of sub-frigates, and Luke almost did until Han Solo came in in a destroyer and shot the frigates. Darth Vader's frigate survived being assaulted by a destroyer because it was tech II, so it ran away. Also, Luke only destroyed the Death Star because it had a detonate button. His ship did not have enough DPS to break its tank.
So a lot went into that victory, and the Death Star's point defense weapons were really quite effective. Next time they might try blasters like the rebels though, for better tracking. Lasers can't track as well. X-ray ammo IS good for damage vs. range though. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1270
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Posted - 2013.12.31 09:51:00 -
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Sadayiel wrote:Quoting some old old Dev statement.
No Ship was ever designed as be a Solopwnmobile. Which was a completely stupid statement for Oveur to make given the gameplay of EvE. A super is a solopwnmobilee, created after that statement was made btw, yet even a super wouldn't survive a trip through low solo PvP,ing.
A battleship should be a solopwnmobile vs 1 smaller ship. That's how ships sizes are supposed to work. Why would anyone build a 500 million isk battleship (Mega Fitted) ship when a 30 million isk frigate (Ishkur Fitted) can beat it.
Pure stupidity in terms of logic and investment.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1543
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Posted - 2013.12.31 10:22:00 -
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Most battleships have at least a medium neut and a drone bay big enough for a flight of light drones. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
32
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Posted - 2013.12.31 11:12:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:WHAT THE **** IS A TURRENT?!
IS IT SOME SORT OF P2P BULLET SHARING SYSTEM?!
I think we have a contender for best post of the year. WHAT THE **** IS A TURRENT?!
IS IT SOME SORT OF P2P BULLET SHARING SYSTEM?! |
Helios Aquiness
Perkone Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.12.31 13:55:00 -
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Its why I dont like multiplayer mechanics. In any other scifiy, frigs would be for scouting or light, combat only. Dreads would be the kings and Titans would be fleets unto themselves. But games, for reasons ill never fully understand, must be symetrical. Personally, I like being the big baddass who just steamrolls everything but I get it that thats not for everyone. Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er. |
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