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Ecoskii
Penal Servitude
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:30:00 -
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There's no current open thread on the most posted item on here - it won't go away until someone implements some balance on the dumb 24/7 afk cloaking ability that drives out PvE and PvE content
Every one of these threads is locked and there are no active ones
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2762387#post2762387 |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
1703
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:48:00 -
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Explain to us here in F&I how it's unbalanced. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
781
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:51:00 -
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Posting in nerf afk cloaking thread #i stopped counting after the big one I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
49
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:15:00 -
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cloaking is balanced - you can't do anything except gather intel while cloaked - with cloaking recalibration delay there is basically no perfect ambusher. Topic done - I spend time in WH's and cloaks are my worst enemy - yet I think they're balanced - you can cloak as easily as the next guy - why don't you? |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2154
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:35:00 -
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Post something new and fresh in order to justify the existence of this thread. |
Ecoskii
Penal Servitude
4
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:37:00 -
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The majority of cloaking is fine - it provides glass ships with the ability to pick fights or scout (but recent inty changes were a better answer for that)
The unbalanced aspect is long term ability to disrupt null-sec content for 0 risk. OCD butthurt individuals and corps are able to camp systems 24/7. There is no long term counter to this.
Standard responses are:
'Get a group together and counter drop them' - that is viable for a day or two but if you catch someone they can be back in system within 1hr with no change. In addition they can uncloak, scram, scan and warp of if they see a cyno fitted before you have them locked
'Use cheap ships' - using cheap ships solo or in groups gives isk/hour lower than highsec, so why bother?
'Watch their killboards, know their times' - past performance is no guarantee of future behaviour - who wants to risk a 500m-1bn ship based on one or two data points...?
'Stop crying carebear (from the more immature posters...)' - the current mechanic removes PvP and PvE content - PvErs won't undock with a cloaky in local, PvPers just find more empty systems...
There have been many suggested changes from the simplistic (log-off inactive accounts), to more fanciful probing abilities - I don't really mind but I do object to zero response from CCP or effort from ISM (aside from occasional asinine remarks) despite thousands of pages of forums posts. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2154
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:39:00 -
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Do what I do:
Ignore them and go about your business.
And nothing you have posted is new or fresh. Justify this thread please. |
Ecoskii
Penal Servitude
4
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:37:00 -
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Clusterfuck would be full of lols if we followed your advice :p
Much has been said but nothing has been done or replied, therefore more has to be said until something is actually changed
Cloaks are fine for normal gameplay - the ability to afk grief for months on end with no viable counter removes PvE and PvP content |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2087
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:50:00 -
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This thread lacks content, requesting lock. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Motorbit
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:54:00 -
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+10, op has a valid point there. nerf rifters nau. |
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Malseir Dabian
Environmental Protection Agency.
1
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:57:00 -
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The simplistic fix to this is to add the very much requested....
Anti Cloak POS Array, Which inhibits all cloaking abilities within it's system when active (Like the Cyno Jammer Array inhibits Cynos).
* This allows AFK cloakers to continue AFK cloaking in non arrayed systems. * This does not change any mechanics of Cloaking * This solves all the AFK cloaky issues. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
651
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:57:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:This thread lacks content, requesting lock.
How about we start adding funny stories about the things we did in the real world while AFK cloaking in Eve. |
Joe Boirele
Wrath of Shadows Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:02:00 -
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I agree that AFK cloaking is bad. However, I also believe it is only a symptom of a deeper problem. That problem is local. Why are AFK cloaking and local linked? Because AFK cloaking and hotdrops are the only real counter to local. Given that in most cases, the second you enter a system everyone who isn't looking for a fight can (and probably will) flee either to a POS or a station, thus making kills impossible, unless you feel like dropping enough black ops battleships to take down a POS. Thereby, AFK cloaking is the only way to actually kill a non-AFK player without a full scale invasion. Just my opinion of the matter. This is my Myrmidon. -áThere are many like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my Myrmidon is nothing. -áWithout my Myrmidon I am nothing. |
Seranova Farreach
577
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:57:00 -
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how does it remove pvp/pve content? just sounds like your too scared or paranoid to undock while in cloak one cannot do ANYTHING except move as a slow speed.
if your paranoid about hotdrops either A, buy a mobile cyno jammer. or B, dont undock. dont let yoru apranoia and the paranoia of the rest of you Null-bears ruin cloaks for everyone else. _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Seranova Farreach
577
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:00:00 -
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Joe Boirele wrote:I agree that AFK cloaking is bad. However, I also believe it is only a symptom of a deeper problem. That problem is local. Why are AFK cloaking and local linked? Because AFK cloaking and hotdrops are the only real counter to local. Given that in most cases, the second you enter a system everyone who isn't looking for a fight can (and probably will) flee either to a POS or a station, thus making kills impossible, unless you feel like dropping enough black ops battleships to take down a POS. Thereby, AFK cloaking is the only way to actually kill a non-AFK player without a full scale invasion. Just my opinion of the matter.
Local needs to be like Wspace.. or at the least on a time delay like some chat groups are set to.. OR complete removal of local (except the 4~6 major trade hubs) and just use Constellation chat, as atm its unused. _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Seranova Farreach
577
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:01:00 -
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Motorbit wrote:+10, op has a valid point there. nerf rifters nau.
BUFF rifters! they need to be OP again to the point of 2 week old noob-alts can rat in low/null effectivly with them :P _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Seranova Farreach
577
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:02:00 -
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Ecoskii wrote:The majority of cloaking is fine - it provides glass ships with the ability to pick fights or scout (but recent inty changes were a better answer for that)
The unbalanced aspect is long term ability to disrupt null-sec content for 0 risk. OCD butthurt individuals and corps are able to camp systems 24/7. There is no long term counter to this.
Standard responses are:
'Get a group together and counter drop them' - that is viable for a day or two but if you catch someone they can be back in system within 1hr with no change. In addition they can uncloak, scram, scan and warp of if they see a cyno fitted before you have them locked
'Use cheap ships' - using cheap ships solo or in groups gives isk/hour lower than highsec, so why bother?
'Watch their killboards, know their times' - past performance is no guarantee of future behaviour - who wants to risk a 500m-1bn ship based on one or two data points...?
'Stop crying carebear (from the more immature posters...)' - the current mechanic removes PvP and PvE content - PvErs won't undock with a cloaky in local, PvPers just find more empty systems...
There have been many suggested changes from the simplistic (log-off inactive accounts), to more fanciful probing abilities - I don't really mind but I do object to zero response from CCP or effort from ISM (aside from occasional asinine remarks) despite thousands of pages of forums posts.
if they wont undock maybe low/null is not for them? OR they just need to rock with a mobile Cyno jammer.. THATS WHAT THEY ARE FREAKING FOR!! _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Seranova Farreach
577
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:04:00 -
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Malseir Dabian wrote:The simplistic fix to this is to add the very much requested....
Anti Cloak POS Array, Which inhibits all cloaking abilities within it's system when active (Like the Cyno Jammer Array inhibits Cynos).
* This allows AFK cloakers to continue AFK cloaking in non arrayed systems. * This does not change any mechanics of Cloaking * This solves all the AFK cloaky issues.
nope.avi
they arnt really acheveing anything being afk and cloaked... if you got a cyno jammer operational what you got to worry about? and if you stop people going afk while cloaked null will lower in numbers a fair amount. _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Seranova Farreach
577
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:06:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:This thread lacks content, requesting lock. How about we start adding funny stories about the things we did in the real world while AFK cloaking in Eve.
i once cloak-FK'd to take a dump. _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Seranova Farreach
577
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:08:00 -
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Xe'Cara'eos wrote:cloaking is balanced - you can't do anything except gather intel while cloaked - with cloaking recalibration delay there is basically no perfect ambusher. Topic done - I spend time in WH's and cloaks are my worst enemy - yet I think they're balanced - you can cloak as easily as the next guy - why don't you?
^ THIS. finally some one who speaks sense.. null-bears dont know how to "man-up", maybe if they spent some time in Wspace it might put some hair on their bodily regions _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Daenika
MMO-Mechanics.com
42
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Posted - 2013.12.30 06:19:00 -
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Quote:OR they just need to rock with a mobile Cyno jammer.. THATS WHAT THEY ARE FREAKING FOR!!
Well, to be fair, mobile cyno jammers (just like the POS ones) don't prevent covert cynos, only the regular ones. They also are of relatively limited range.
That said, I agree that the problem here is local, not cloaking. Nullsec isn't supposed to be safe. Honestly, it's safer than high-sec ratting most of the time. AFK cloaking is the only answer to that perfect intel. Shift it over to constellation-wide chat instead, and the problem basically solves itself. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2156
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Posted - 2013.12.30 06:22:00 -
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Ecoskii wrote:Clusterfuck would be full of lols if we followed your advice :p
Much has been said but nothing has been done or replied, therefore more has to be said until something is actually changed
Cloaks are fine for normal gameplay - the ability to afk grief for months on end with no viable counter removes PvE and PvP content
Explain how a player who is not at their keyboard is even capable of griefing. Or affecting your gameplay in any way, shape or form, outside of your own fear? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8692
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Posted - 2013.12.30 07:02:00 -
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Just because the other threads are locked, I will repeat common sense in this thread.
AFK - AWAY FROM KEYBOARD. One cannot see local, influence anything, respond, make commands tot he computer, do anything related to the computer.
Threat level: -5000 / 10
CLOAKING - ******* CLOAKED FOR **** SAKE. One cannot activate any module while cloaked. At all.
Threat level: .05 / 10
AFK CLOAKING - COMBO OF THE ABOVE. See above. See also: fear of the boogeyman.
Threat level: -10000 / 10
Now, if someone uncloaks and gets you... they were not AFK, and is now not CLOAKED. He was CLOAKY HUNTING. Someone engaged in cloaked hunting is at their keyboard and is actively trying to kill you.
Threat level 1 / 10 (lowered significantly by being active and smart while PvEing. See also 0/10)
I can tell you one thing for sure, I actively camp 5 systems every day while im at work. I NO LONGER EVEN CLOAK THEM. That's right, a noobship is sitting 351km off a planet not moving...AND IS SHUTTING DOWN A WHOLE SYSTEM. No one tries to fight back, no one searches, no one probes, NO ONE EVEN USES D-SCAN. Nothing has been mined, all the same anoms are here, people just type stupid **** in local and log off. I used to train up for AFK cloakers, now...I roll a fresh alt and park it in your system. My wife no longer even bothers to type random things to make you think im not AFK. I actively debate trial subbing 10 more accounts just to shut down more systems.
So tell me, Oh AFK CLOAKER savior, how is AFK Cloaking the problem, when it seems the insane fear of the unknown is your greatest enemy? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
812
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Posted - 2013.12.30 08:13:00 -
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Malseir Dabian wrote:The simplistic fix to this is to add the very much requested....
Anti Cloak POS Array, Which inhibits all cloaking abilities within it's system when active (Like the Cyno Jammer Array inhibits Cynos).
* This allows AFK cloakers to continue AFK cloaking in non arrayed systems. * This does not change any mechanics of Cloaking * This solves all the AFK cloaky issues.
Oh god.
Why i it that everytime someone mentions afk cloaking some random fool suggests something like this?
If it's not anti cloaking pos arrays it's decloaking ammunition, decloaking probes, or the demand for the cloaking module to use fuel, the need of some random clicks some mini game to stay cloaked or something equally ********.
Pease, please please please PLEASE(!) stop posting such horribly bad and lopsided ideas.
The afk cloaking collection thread is locked, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist anymore, all your bad ideas have been collected in that thread on the first 5 pages and all of them are there so you do not have to post anything that bad ever again. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
654
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Posted - 2013.12.30 08:33:00 -
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Joe Boirele wrote:I agree that AFK cloaking is bad. However, I also believe it is only a symptom of a deeper problem. That problem is local. Why are AFK cloaking and local linked? Because AFK cloaking and hotdrops are the only real counter to local. Given that in most cases, the second you enter a system everyone who isn't looking for a fight can (and probably will) flee either to a POS or a station, thus making kills impossible, unless you feel like dropping enough black ops battleships to take down a POS. Thereby, AFK cloaking is the only way to actually kill a non-AFK player without a full scale invasion. Just my opinion of the matter.
You know, you could try fighting the people looking for fights, instead of the people just out to shoot rocks. Just a thought. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
1000
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:46:00 -
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Ecoskii wrote:The unbalanced aspect is long term ability to disrupt null-sec content for 0 risk.
How this? I often come from low to null for PVE (exploration, anomalies, ratting, etc.). To me is operating in hostile territory with no docking option and no back up The possibility to go AFK and to stay cloacked are key tools to make this gameplay viable.
So it's something that allow to a larger number of players (and gamestyles) to access that "contents" how is this "disrupting"?
Also, why can I - coming from outside - earn bilions farming your (suposed) home systems and you, having docking, friends backup, infinite free intel from your channels, blue standings and all, have problems? Maybe is simply cause I'm more willing to take some risk instead of crying?
You don't want to balance anything, you only want to remove competitions and risks, and disrupt other gamestyle. |
Ecoskii
Penal Servitude
4
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Posted - 2013.12.31 01:58:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Ecoskii wrote:The unbalanced aspect is long term ability to disrupt null-sec content for 0 risk. How this? I often come from low to null for PVE (exploration, anomalies, ratting, etc.). To me is operating in hostile territory with no docking option and no back up The possibility to go AFK and to stay cloacked are key tools to make this gameplay viable. So it's something that allow to a larger number of players (and gamestyles) to access that "contents" how is this "disrupting"? Also, why can I - coming from outside - earn bilions farming your (suposed) home systems and you, having docking, friends backup, infinite free intel from your channels, blue standings and all, have problems? Maybe is simply cause I'm more willing to take some risk instead of crying? You don't want to balance anything, you only want to remove competitions and risks, and disrupt other gamestyle.
Nope - that's your guess - very glad to see anyone try to use PvE and PvP content. The broken bit is solely long term cloaky griefing - OCD butthurt individuals logging in for months at 0 risk closing down PvE and PvP content.
Unsuccessful At Everything - almost tl;dr - nothing to do with fear of the unknown - just simple common sense. Read the start, your points were covered. |
Apostrof Ahashion
Viziam Amarr Empire
218
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:15:00 -
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1. Grow a pair 2. Use the manly powers of a ballsack for courage |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2778
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:37:00 -
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Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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