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Malseir Dabian
Environmental Protection Agency.
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:18:00 -
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Alright the issue here is a combination of things which create a game breaking issue in highsec:
* The small size of the belts. * A freighter can scoop cargo from space. * Procurers can not be killed by a Ganker before concord kills the ganker.
Here's the problem:
Lately I've chosen to get back into Ice mining in highsec (Figured what the hell). So I go to the Osman system which is known to spawn 3 belts. I warp to one belt, and here is what I see:
A ball of about 20-40 Procurers focus this gigantic beam array of ice miners at a single roid with a freighter sitting in the middle of it, as I watch this light show stupidifed by it's hypnotizing beams, I watch them cycle.. once... twice.... three times... And the roid pops...
The first thing I think is.... wtf... Then as I continue to watch this blob of roid death focuses it's beam array on the next "Ice Asteroid" which no one is mining, and apears acording to my data scanner to be full of ice. As I watch the lazers engage I am once again stupidifed and hypnotized.
And I count again 1,2,3,4 Cycles and POP the Asteroid is gone.....
This Botter cleans out the entire belt in less then 15 minuets.
This is crazy, I have no idea how to fix this issue but it needs immediate attention. You can't gank kill the procs, you can't gank kill the freighter and their all in an NPC corp so you can't even wardec them.
But this is basically making it impossible for anyone except these botters to mine Ice.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
831
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:31:00 -
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Go somewhere else, especially somewhere not Caldari. I know of 0.5 systems that don't get mined out from DT to DT most of the time. Also, you can gank a procurer, you just need more than 1 catalyst. Or..... you wait till he's nearly finished with the belt and you gank..... the freighter! |
Malseir Dabian
Environmental Protection Agency.
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:36:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Go somewhere else, especially somewhere not Caldari. I know of 0.5 systems that don't get mined out from DT to DT most of the time. Also, you can gank a procurer, you just need more than 1 catalyst. Or..... you wait till he's nearly finished with the belt and you gank..... the freighter!
You mind mailing me the name of some of these systems? I went through about 50 today (in every factions space) and I saw at least one of these Blob Botter fleets in every single system :(
Still this issue does need to be fixed.
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Motorbit
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:41:00 -
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witch issue? that one where frighters have a large hold, that one where mining barges mine or that one where procurers have more tank than other miners? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
831
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:46:00 -
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I think the one where he hasn't contacted gankers and told them of the juicy freighter target full of ice for them to loot after they gank it. I know of at least one ganker group who claims to be against botting who should be making such freighters their favourite targets, and freighter ganks massively hurt the target miner also. |
Motorbit
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:50:00 -
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now where comes that botting from? it could be just a group of guys... you know... like, mining? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
831
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:51:00 -
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Lets be serious, it's one guy using ISBoxer. Which is allowed technically. But trying to make out that it could be a bunch of different pilots who all named themselves sequentially is just silly. |
Malseir Dabian
Environmental Protection Agency.
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:52:00 -
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Motorbit wrote:now where comes that botting from? it could be just a group of guys... you know... like, mining?
not when 90% of them have the same name and move at the exact same time. It's called botting or ISboxer, Either way these freaks need to die. |
Motorbit
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:53:00 -
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so your probem is that ccp allows multiboxing then? yeah. good luck on getting that one changed. (tho despite all sarcasm... im not a big fan of mutiboxing myself.) |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
831
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:01:00 -
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Malseir Dabian wrote:Motorbit wrote:now where comes that botting from? it could be just a group of guys... you know... like, mining? not when 90% of them have the same name and move at the exact same time. It's called botting or ISboxer, Either way these freaks need to die. Then organise a gank fleet & kill them. Uedema says you can gank freighters. |
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2661
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:31:00 -
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Malseir Dabian wrote:But this is basically making it impossible for anyone except these botters to mine Ice. I feel for you, I do. Beyond turning asteroid belts into free-fire zones, I'm not sure how to counter this. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Seranova Farreach
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:34:00 -
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only problem i have heard of/experanced is the size of the belts.. they are usually mind out with in 15-20 minutes of spawn and then 4 hours till a new one spawns.
as for freighters... i dont see too much differance between them and an orca except the freighter has to have the miner jetcan the ice/ore and orca's can provide mining boosts too while still having like..140k m3 space(total) possably more but also space for more crystals and to put the mining barge/exhumor into if a ganker comes on by...
TL;DR. its balanced, gank miners = middle finger to freighters, use a Fail-whale ( Orca ) , use boosts. _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
358
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:42:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:I think the one where he hasn't contacted gankers and told them of the juicy freighter target full of ice for them to loot after they gank it. I know of at least one ganker group who claims to be against botting who should be making such freighters their favourite targets, and freighter ganks massively hurt the target miner also. Juicy freighter to gank.
Quote:Freighter full of ice I think not.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
833
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Posted - 2013.12.30 05:43:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:I think the one where he hasn't contacted gankers and told them of the juicy freighter target full of ice for them to loot after they gank it. I know of at least one ganker group who claims to be against botting who should be making such freighters their favourite targets, and freighter ganks massively hurt the target miner also. Juicy freighter to gank. Quote:Freighter full of ice I think not. On pure market value, sure. But gank targets also give tears. And Ice Miner ISBoxer tears are amazing. Even then, the Ice should cover the gank cost if they use Catalysts. If they use Tornados it won't but it offsets at least. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2013.12.30 09:28:00 -
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Wow, seems like even miners can collect tears nowadays. Great Job unknown Multiboxer! |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1309
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Posted - 2013.12.30 09:37:00 -
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If only there was a way to bump the freighter out of position. If only.
3/10 thread for tears, and not 0/10 because I enjoy your tears ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
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Posted - 2013.12.30 09:55:00 -
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Remember, it's not harassment if you have a way to profit from the bumping. For example, to stop him mining ice so you can mine more.
Malseir Dabian wrote:and their all in an NPC corp so you can't even wardec them.
Wouldn't that mean that the freighter has to go suspect to open the miners jetcans ?
Or am I misunderstanding crimewatch ? |
Draconigea
Angry Angels Nachrichtendienst
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Posted - 2013.12.30 10:05:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Malseir Dabian wrote:and their all in an NPC corp so you can't even wardec them.
Wouldn't that mean that the freighter has to go suspect to open the miners jetcans ? Or am I misunderstanding crimewatch ?
Fleet....jetcans from fleetmembers are white... |
Jalequin
StarHunt Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.30 10:31:00 -
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Join a null mining group, the belts in deep null are huge. Mass Tests Videos: http://j.mp/14PE0uz - June 14th http://j.mp/10Db6ry --áMay 16th http://j.mp/19uIPJM --áApril 11th |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.30 11:23:00 -
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Just because it is a procurer doesn't mean it can't be killed. If the procs are not tanked or just poorly tanked, they can be ganked with some planning.
Now, expecting a gross of catalysts to kill off 60 procs is a bit much, but they are all, very conveniently clustered together (the great thing about ISBoxer is also it's downfall: they move to the same identical point as one) meaning that a few Smart Bomb fitted Battleships can pop the group and likely also pop the pods of the procurer pilots before concord kills the battleships. I used to mine in Halaima and would see this method used on occasion.
I'm sure more clever people can work out the details since ganking is not really my thing. |
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Amarisen Gream
The Rice Fields Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.30 12:00:00 -
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i don't think the issue is the a fact that you can't gank them, or do anything against that many ships. the problem is simple
multi boxers with multi boxing software. When a Single human can use software to control any number of ships.
Thats the problem with all mining
1> There needs to be a change in the Terms of Use prohibiting the use of multi boxing software like ISBoxer 2> There is no problem for a player to have more than one account mining and farming, but each character needs to be "manually" operated < hence no more software to help.
problems > cost of Plex will drop (isk value) as there won't be such a demand on them, seeing as the people with 15 accounts won't be ice farming to feed their plex hungry toons b/c they won't be able to control them all like they want :D xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Dave Stark
4040
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Posted - 2013.12.30 12:03:00 -
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there's no issue here that needs fixing. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
767
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Posted - 2013.12.30 12:09:00 -
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Motorbit wrote:...total normal mining operation... Does such thing even exist? |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.30 13:36:00 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:i don't think the issue is the a fact that you can't gank them, or do anything against that many ships. the problem is simple
multi boxers with multi boxing software. When a Single human can use software to control any number of ships.
Thats the problem with all mining
1> There needs to be a change in the Terms of Use prohibiting the use of multi boxing software like ISBoxer 2> There is no problem for a player to have more than one account mining and farming, but each character needs to be "manually" operated < hence no more software to help.
problems > cost of Plex will drop (isk value) as there won't be such a demand on them, seeing as the people with 15 accounts won't be ice farming to feed their plex hungry toons b/c they won't be able to control them all like they want :D
15 accounts is not impossible to handle without ISBoxer. Personally, I have experience with 8 accounts on ICE, and it wasn't exactly difficult. Just use window's and stack them accordingly. Warping is done via wing/squad-warps.
Oh, and doing it this way, it's nowhere near an AFK activity. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1309
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:05:00 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:i don't think the issue is the a fact that you can't gank them, or do anything against that many ships. the problem is simple
multi boxers with multi boxing software. When a Single human can use software to control any number of ships.
Thats the problem with all mining
1> There needs to be a change in the Terms of Use prohibiting the use of multi boxing software like ISBoxer 2> There is no problem for a player to have more than one account mining and farming, but each character needs to be "manually" operated < hence no more software to help.
problems > cost of Plex will drop (isk value) as there won't be such a demand on them, seeing as the people with 15 accounts won't be ice farming to feed their plex hungry toons b/c they won't be able to control them all like they want :D
.. and why exactly isn't 15 people getting together for a single goal a problem? Wont they want to buy 15 PLEX also? Why not just make the Rule: "You can only do all things solo with one ship at all times." ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:44:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:
.. and why exactly isn't 15 people getting together for a single goal a problem? Wont they want to buy 15 PLEX also? Why not just make the Rule: "You can only do all things solo with one ship at all times."
Come on, no way that's going to happen, CCP woud loose bazillions of subs that way. And then there'd be the additiona effort of sniffing out multiboxers and anning some or all of their accounts... Less pay for more work, what sane person would do that?
Unless ofc. it gets as bad as it has been with botting... Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1051
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:22:00 -
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wait, this is what [immediate attention required] was all about? You whining that someone else is way better at mining than you?
grow up.
Ball of procurers is asking for a smartbomb gank. why exactly can you not gank the freighter? The guy you are complaining about is "doing it right." "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Gimme more Cynos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:37:00 -
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Batelle wrote:wait, this is what [immediate attention required] was all about? You whining that someone else is way better at mining than you?
grow up.
Ball of procurers is asking for a smartbomb gank. why exactly can you not gank the freighter? The guy you are complaining about is "doing it right."
couldn't agree more |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
67
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:40:00 -
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cant gank it with what you have? bring more ships! |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
50
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:47:00 -
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as previously mentioned - gank the freighter with talos's or tornadoes, or use smartbomb BS's to take out the barges, pods, and hopefully the orca,
however, I do feel that freighters should only be able to load/unload cargo at stations. wasn't it that way back in the past? |
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