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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6022
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Posted - 2014.01.01 03:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:This is funny because just a few days ago you guys were saying you know you can't win.
These are of course the same people who say "CFC is too ***** to drop caps" and then turn around and say "we enjoy killing your dreadnoughts please keep dropping them." Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:As for this CFC and nullsec slowcat thing, who cares? All I hear is nerds bleating back and forth about something. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I must be right about something because a goon is going with their talking points and personal attacks. Heh. No Fun Allowed
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1441
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Posted - 2014.01.01 09:14:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6022
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Posted - 2014.01.01 09:18:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. a very suspicious non-impact?
Slowcats can have drone assisted sentries shoot to 179km, they can't actually lock that far with their tank lows and omni mids. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6022
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Posted - 2014.01.01 09:25:00 -
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Ah, but remember this is all grasping at straws by the cfc who have nothing to rely on and no hope that "omegafleet" or any other hilariously named blobber doctrine will save them from the gilded wrecking ball of progodlegend.
Progodlegend: Making coalitions that exist to destroy the cfc ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8021
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Posted - 2014.01.01 09:36:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
25
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Posted - 2014.01.01 10:57:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now.
Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6024
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Posted - 2014.01.01 11:07:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now. Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same? Our own existence is a sin that cannot be forgiven. Thus N3 has its purpose: to remove it.
Drone assist is balanced, as per the most recent ceo update ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
16379
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Posted - 2014.01.01 11:23:00 -
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Am I too late for a "Grrrr Goons"?
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Ira Infernus
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2014.01.01 12:39:00 -
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I dont really care much for null wars. The massive fleets have never appealed to me. That being said, theoretically speaking there is nothing wrong with the slowcat doctrine. The logistics its requires to get a fleet of logi, nevermind carriers, orientated correctly is slow, rendering it a flawed process for offence.
Yes it reduces the amount of trigger men but Im sure its nothing a decent alpha fleet cannot deal with. Given a slowcat "attack" there is nothing stopping you from mounting a fleet perfect for countering it beforehand. Its a stroke of defensive genius IMO, and if you cannot think of a way around it then you obviously arent ready to take on that space yet.
Nerfing drone assist because of a somewhat powerful defensive doctrine is ridiculous. Assuming slowcatting is bad, the negatives of removing drone assist outweigh the fact that this simple approach to defense is then made redundant. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9707
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Posted - 2014.01.01 15:06:00 -
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Ira Infernus wrote:I dont really care much for null wars. The massive fleets have never appealed to me. That being said, theoretically speaking there is nothing wrong with the slowcat doctrine. The logistics its requires to get a fleet of logi, nevermind carriers, orientated correctly is slow, rendering it a flawed process for offence.
Yes it reduces the amount of trigger men but Im sure its nothing a decent alpha fleet cannot deal with. Given a slowcat "attack" there is nothing stopping you from mounting a fleet perfect for countering it beforehand. Its a stroke of defensive genius IMO, and if you cannot think of a way around it then you obviously arent ready to take on that space yet.
Nerfing drone assist because of a somewhat powerful defensive doctrine is ridiculous. Assuming slowcatting is bad, the negatives of removing drone assist outweigh the fact that this simple approach to defense is then made redundant.
CCP have nerfed capitals several time now when they rendered subcaps useless.
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Phyrr
The Gosimer and Scarab
0
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Posted - 2014.01.01 15:12:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Phyrr wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Smartbombs: very effective against 320 flights of drones per carrier. Very effective yes and also very expensive (320 flights of sentries ain't cheap). Used to work back in the day... Smarty fit BS warp in to carrier blob at zero and kill the fighters. I guess it's easier to type a few words in complaint than come up with a counter though... Carriers refit for smartbombs, combined smartbombs kill the BS fleet.
That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it. |
Slick Phister
SickandTired Corp Roam's Serious Business
0
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Posted - 2014.01.01 15:14:00 -
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Ira Infernus wrote:I dont really care much for null wars. The massive fleets have never appealed to me. That being said, theoretically speaking there is nothing wrong with the slowcat doctrine. The logistics its requires to get a fleet of logi, nevermind carriers, orientated correctly is slow, rendering it a flawed process for offence.
Yes it reduces the amount of trigger men but Im sure its nothing a decent alpha fleet cannot deal with. Given a slowcat "attack" there is nothing stopping you from mounting a fleet perfect for countering it beforehand. Its a stroke of defensive genius IMO, and if you cannot think of a way around it then you obviously arent ready to take on that space yet.
Nerfing drone assist because of a somewhat powerful defensive doctrine is ridiculous. Assuming slowcatting is bad, the negatives of removing drone assist outweigh the fact that this simple approach to defense is then made redundant.
It requires a fleet of logi? You may want to look before you speak. The slowcat IS the Logi. And the Tank. And the DPS. The only other thing required, is the targeting ship. If you add to that some subs tasked to destroy bubbles and dictors, then you have the Dotdot doctrine. These fleets, in their current configuration, can alpha frigates and dreadnaughts with equal ease, and out range everything else on the field. There is no "fleet perfect for countering it beforehand". You didn't need to tell us that you don't really care for null wars. You've obviously never been in one.
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Phyrr
The Gosimer and Scarab
0
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Posted - 2014.01.01 15:14:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now. Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same?
Clicking F1 is no different to clicking deploy drones, the deploying of drones is a manual activity, or did you think they auto deploy, do you even drone son? |
Slick Phister
SickandTired Corp Roam's Serious Business
0
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Posted - 2014.01.01 15:25:00 -
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Phyrr wrote:baltec1 wrote:Phyrr wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Smartbombs: very effective against 320 flights of drones per carrier. Very effective yes and also very expensive (320 flights of sentries ain't cheap). Used to work back in the day... Smarty fit BS warp in to carrier blob at zero and kill the fighters. I guess it's easier to type a few words in complaint than come up with a counter though... Carriers refit for smartbombs, combined smartbombs kill the BS fleet. That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.
So, your advice is for someone to feed their entire stockpile of ships into the blob of slowcats to prove that it is OP? It's already been done. Several times. For your information, it is not the one who sounds the alarm that is responsible for ruining it for everyone else. It is the one who abused the exploit in the first place. I'm guessing you still think that nulli should be able to sit behind POS sheilds with their sentries outside shooting?
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
183
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:01:00 -
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So much whining.
So pathetic. |
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:22:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:So much whining.
So pathetic.
everybody knows the amount of whine is related to the amount of goons in a thread.
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Daisai
Daisai Investments.
206
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:10:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now. Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same?
Because a long range fit dread has about 7 times the dps then a sentry carrier with 10 sentry's, also their range is alot longer. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1015
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:14:00 -
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Slick Phister wrote:Phyrr wrote:baltec1 wrote:Phyrr wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Smartbombs: very effective against 320 flights of drones per carrier. Very effective yes and also very expensive (320 flights of sentries ain't cheap). Used to work back in the day... Smarty fit BS warp in to carrier blob at zero and kill the fighters. I guess it's easier to type a few words in complaint than come up with a counter though... Carriers refit for smartbombs, combined smartbombs kill the BS fleet. That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it. So, your advice is for someone to feed their entire stockpile of ships into the blob of slowcats to prove that it is OP? It's already been done. Several times. For your information, it is not the one who sounds the alarm that is responsible for ruining it for everyone else. It is the one who abused the exploit in the first place. I'm guessing you still think that nulli should be able to sit behind POS sheilds with their sentries outside shooting?
JAFMA......
And if Drone assist is OP, doesn't that make ISBoxer OP as well?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6026
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:17:00 -
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Phyrr wrote:Diamond Zerg wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Grath has repeatedly insisted that nerfing drone assist wont have an impact on slowcats.
That said, if it happens before the current war is resolved it is going to look extremely suspect and engender a lot of ill will. If we were concerned with avoiding ill will we'd have disbanded by now. Drone assist being nerfed would just be fair, long range dread pilots have to manually activate their modules, why shouldn't slowcat pilots have to do the same? Clicking F1 is no different to clicking deploy drones, the deploying of drones is a manual activity, or did you think they auto deploy, do you even drone son? Those archons couldn't actually target the things their drones shoot, though.
They also probably won't be able to lock it as fast as their assist trigger too ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9707
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:43:00 -
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Phyrr wrote:
That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.
We have. There are no subcap fleets or tactics that will break one of these carrier fleets. This means that most of playerbase are useless in a fight against these and every single alliance has no hope of ever winning a fight. Only two powers have the ability to beat these and one of them is the party using it.
So, when we talk about "ruining it for everyone else" let get our facts right. CCP have stated time and time again that they will never allow the game to turn into capitals online. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6029
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Phyrr wrote:
That was back in the day, replace BS with Carriers. Sorry just because big alliances have issues with one game mechanic, doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else. As I said, prove it doesn't work, rather than ignore it.
We have. There are no subcap fleets or tactics that will break one of these carrier fleets. This means that most of playerbase are useless in a fight against these and every single alliance has no hope of ever winning a fight. Only two powers have the ability to beat these and one of them is the party using it. So, when we talk about "ruining it for everyone else" let get our facts right. CCP have stated time and time again that they will never allow the game to turn into capitals online. Capitals Online: getin edition ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
183
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:16:00 -
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the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.
For instance: people 'plexing in carriers.
The idea that the game has become "Capitals Online" just because they are a dominant strategy of defending and attacking in the largest escalated fights within the current metagame....is silly.
For the vast, vast, vast majority of EVE, capitals have close to zero relevance.
But, since they are relevant in killing goons and claiming their tears, we have threads like these
If it beats goons, it's overpowered. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9707
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:19:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.
We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
183
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.
We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different.
I checked the killboard and there are plenty of capital deaths.
{citation needed} on "unkillable capitals." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6029
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios. We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different. It's as though some people feel the need to help push back in the name of progodlegend
Soon, a non-blue eve ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9707
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:22:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.
We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different. I checked the killboard and there are plenty of capital deaths. {citation needed} on "unkillable capitals."
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
183
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:24:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios. We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different. It's as though some people feel the need to help push back in the name of progodlegend Soon, a non-blue eve
It's almost as if people feel the need to post random and arbitrary internet-space-politics in relation to game mechanics as if it makes sense.
Hint: it doesn't. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
183
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:the whole Capitals Online thing was in reaction to a whole mess of different issues, not just PvP and certainly not in just specific PvP scenarios.
We have seen several nerfs to capitals when they became impossible to kill to anything other than more capitals, this is no different. I checked the killboard and there are plenty of capital deaths. {citation needed} on "unkillable capitals." Please post this dead archon fleet.
Archons die all the time.
Just because you haven't managed to kill a particular fleet of particular archons does not mean you should cry so much. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9708
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:30:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:
Archons die all the time.
Just because you haven't managed to kill a particular fleet of particular archons does not mean you should cry so much.
AOE titans used to die, so did Directional DD titans, as did tracking titans and motherships.
They all saw nerfs because when in a fleet they were unkillable to subcaps and the only counter was more capitals. This Archon fleet is unkillable to subcaps and falls under the exact same criteria as all of those old capital fleets that have been nerfed over the years.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6030
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:
Archons die all the time.
Just because you haven't managed to kill a particular fleet of particular archons does not mean you should cry so much.
AOE titans used to die, so did Directional DD titans, as did tracking titans and motherships. They all saw nerfs because when in a fleet they were unkillable to subcaps and the only counter was more capitals. This Archon fleet is unkillable to subcaps and falls under the exact same criteria as all of those old capital fleets that have been nerfed over the years. AOE titans, completely balanced because one of them might be caught logged off and killed ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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