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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9956
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:23:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Andski wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:It should not be changed until this current war is over. If CCP changes it during, screwing up one sides doctrine and benefiting the other things will go extremely badly for CCP I think. both sides are currently reliant on drone assist doctrines but thank you for your obviously well-informed commentary on a war you're not a participant in We don't believe you. I have 20 alts and 10 mains, I see quite a lot from both sides of many fences.
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
526
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Which would only be a fair request when you first show how f.e. N3 is doing precisely that. - Begging not to nerf. - Possible target of nerf is utterly broken. See, what you're doing here is begging mommy CCP to hold your hands, and when we point that out you tell us we're crying. Sorry dude, you'll have to try harder. We are doing the exact same thing we did with tech goo. Something is broken and needs to be fixed, whining would be making a rage thread to nerf badgers because one killed my dramiel. You're not doing the same. Let me show you: - CFC was in control of a large part (And after Tenal IIRC a majority) of tech moons. You used these tech moons to the fine line between use and abuse, while you (Along with anyone else who knew about it) every so often reminded CCP that it was a mistake that the bottleneck was as it was. You also invited anyone who wanted wealth better distributed across regions (With regards to truesec etc) to come and take your moons. You were able to point out how the moon balance was broken (Or at least incredibly bad), and when the change went through it didn't even look that much like hypocrisy because you were in control of them. Afterwards of course the moon nerf was a catastrophe, but now you're all happy and on board with renting, right? - What is happening right now is that CFC is bashing your collective heads against a wall of carriers. It's a problem you know at least 4 possible solutions to (LR dreads, titans, bombing drones continuously, and not being on grid with them - possibly many more), at least one of which you have set into motion. You then take to the forums to get your enemy nerfed, providing shoddy arguments. No, you're not doing the same you did with tech.
Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner. |
Apocryphal Noise
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:39:00 -
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goons: controlling your game since 2006 bahahaha |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9730
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:54:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:You're not doing the same. Let me show you: - CFC was in control of a large part (And after Tenal IIRC a majority) of tech moons. You used these tech moons to the fine line between use and abuse, while you (Along with anyone else who knew about it) every so often reminded CCP that it was a mistake that the bottleneck was as it was. You also invited anyone who wanted wealth better distributed across regions (With regards to truesec etc) to come and take your moons. You were able to point out how the moon balance was broken (Or at least incredibly bad), and when the change went through it didn't even look that much like hypocrisy because you were in control of them. Afterwards of course the moon nerf was a catastrophe, but now you're all happy and on board with renting, right? - What is happening right now is that CFC is bashing your collective heads against a wall of carriers. It's a problem you know at least 4 possible solutions to (LR dreads, titans, bombing drones continuously, and not being on grid with them - possibly many more), at least one of which you have set into motion. You then take to the forums to get your enemy nerfed, providing shoddy arguments. No, you're not doing the same you did with tech.
Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner.
We never said tech moons were an isk faucet. We said that having the most important and biggest isk making moons in just one part of space was unbalanced. We have been saying this since BoB was in command of fortress delve and long before CCP made tech the spice of EVE.
We have seen at least five capital nerfs due to them being too powerful, each time they rendered subcaps useless. The current archon fleets tick every box that forced CCP to nerf those old capital fleets. Drone assist coupled with the huge buffer and remote reps of capital ships have once again brought about an invincible capital fleet which can only be countered by even more capitals.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8089
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:04:00 -
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So it's only imbalanced if the person abusing it the most is the one saying it's imbalanced. Right... Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
526
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We never said tech moons were an isk faucet. We said that having the most important and biggest isk making moons in just one part of space was unbalanced. We have been saying this since BoB was in command of fortress delve and long before CCP made tech the spice of EVE. Check out the part you quoted, don't play stupid.
Quote:Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner. I didn't say you did this, I'm saying that your current actions are equivalent to this.
Quote:We have seen at least five capital nerfs due to them being too powerful, each time they rendered subcaps useless. The current archon fleets tick every box that forced CCP to nerf those old capital fleets. Drone assist coupled with the huge buffer and remote reps of capital ships have once again brought about an invincible capital fleet which can only be countered by even more capitals. Sub capitals aren't obsolete or useless. There, done. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
526
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:So it's only imbalanced if the person abusing it the most is the one saying it's imbalanced. Right... Look, if you really think so I can't stop you, but I can at ignore you. I don't know why you suddenly do think so, since you have spent a number of pages saying the direct opposite.
Yes, I know you tried sarcasm, but what you got wasn't that, it was trying to pin opinions on me that I don't have. That's can be a ***** move, but in this case it just shows you as an intercourse-tard. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1345
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:You're not doing the same. Let me show you: - CFC was in control of a large part (And after Tenal IIRC a majority) of tech moons. You used these tech moons to the fine line between use and abuse, while you (Along with anyone else who knew about it) every so often reminded CCP that it was a mistake that the bottleneck was as it was. You also invited anyone who wanted wealth better distributed across regions (With regards to truesec etc) to come and take your moons. You were able to point out how the moon balance was broken (Or at least incredibly bad), and when the change went through it didn't even look that much like hypocrisy because you were in control of them. Afterwards of course the moon nerf was a catastrophe, but now you're all happy and on board with renting, right? - What is happening right now is that CFC is bashing your collective heads against a wall of carriers. It's a problem you know at least 4 possible solutions to (LR dreads, titans, bombing drones continuously, and not being on grid with them - possibly many more), at least one of which you have set into motion. You then take to the forums to get your enemy nerfed, providing shoddy arguments. No, you're not doing the same you did with tech.
Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner. We never said tech moons were an isk faucet. We said that having the most important and biggest isk making moons in just one part of space was unbalanced. We have been saying this since BoB was in command of fortress delve and long before CCP made tech the spice of EVE. We have seen at least five capital nerfs due to them being too powerful, each time they rendered subcaps useless. The current archon fleets tick every box that forced CCP to nerf those old capital fleets. Drone assist coupled with the huge buffer and remote reps of capital ships have once again brought about an invincible capital fleet which can only be countered by even more capitals. So counter them with capitals? Oh wait you don't have them trained. So train them and stop whining....? Although I agree with nerfing drone assist. You started a war knowing all this, its not going as well as you hoped, asking for nerfs now so it can go as well as you hoped is pretty much asking CCP to let you win. Finish what you started, or leave for now, get the assist nerf you want and then start it up again.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9731
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:04:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote: You lost a dramiel to a badger?
I refer to a hilarious ragethread by Emo TJ several years ago when drams were very overpowered. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9731
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:10:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: So counter them with capitals? Oh wait you don't have them trained. So train them and stop whining....? Although I agree with nerfing drone assist. You started a war knowing all this, its not going as well as you hoped, asking for nerfs now so it can go as well as you hoped is pretty much asking CCP to let you win. Finish what you started, or leave for now, get the assist nerf you want and then start it up again.
Stop being babies?
You just highlighted the very problem we have been pointing out. A capital fleet that can only be countered with another capital fleet.
CCP do not want capitals online. We have been down this road at least five times now and each time CCP nerfed capitals to stop them from being invincible vs subcaps. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1912
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:57:00 -
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Politically, the goons are in serious trouble here.
If CCP give in to them and alter the game mechanics as mittens wants, it will look like favouritism towards a group of players because they (the goons) get the game welcome publicity.
The goons would then be forever laughed at, "please mommy we are special snowflakes"
The goons face being forever laughed at If CCP do not give in to their pleas of "we are special snowflakes" as potentially, the goons could lose the war, despite begging for help from CCP.
If the goons do come up with an effective counter (as I hope they do) then again, they will be forever laughed at, as they went begging to CCP, when in fact, all they had to do was to use the current game mechanics to deal with the issue. This is not a signature. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9732
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:08:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Politically, the goons are in serious trouble here.
If CCP give in to them and alter the game mechanics as mittens wants, it will look like favouritism towards a group of players because they (the goons) get the game welcome publicity.
The goons would then be forever laughed at, "please mommy we are special snowflakes"
The goons face being forever laughed at If CCP do not give in to their pleas of "we are special snowflakes" as potentially, the goons could lose the war, despite begging for help from CCP.
If the goons do come up with an effective counter (as I hope they do) then again, they will be forever laughed at, as they went begging to CCP, when in fact, all they had to do was to use the current game mechanics to deal with the issue.
Things are going more or less exactly as when the supers were nerfed from using clouds of sentries/titan turret tracking nerfed/ titan DD were nerfed/ titan DD were nerfed again, dreads were nerfed.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9956
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:18:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Sub capitals aren't obsolete or useless. There, done.
quick, devise a counter to massed slowcats with supercarrier reps under a jammer Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
526
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Sub capitals aren't obsolete or useless. There, done. quick, devise a counter to massed slowcats with supercarrier reps under a jammer F4R showed that a jammer is a perfect hardcounter to slowcats and supers. Any other questions the CFC master tacticians can't solve but a random N3 grunt/forumwarrior can? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9732
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:28:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Sub capitals aren't obsolete or useless. There, done. quick, devise a counter to massed slowcats with supercarrier reps under a jammer F4R showed that a jammer is a perfect hardcounter to slowcats and supers. Any other questions the CFC master tacticians can't solve but a random N3 grunt/forumwarrior can?
All we need to do is get a cynojammer into an enemy held system or spawn an incursion before the slowcat fleet deploys... Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
526
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Sub capitals aren't obsolete or useless. There, done. quick, devise a counter to massed slowcats with supercarrier reps under a jammer F4R showed that a jammer is a perfect hardcounter to slowcats and supers. Any other questions the CFC master tacticians can't solve but a random N3 grunt/forumwarrior can? All we need to do is get a cynojammer into an enemy held system or spawn an incursion before the slowcat fleet deploys... If you want to attack our SOV., then yes that's one thing. I'd dare a guess there are smarter ways though. And still, you have other ways to counter slowcats, the GSF CEO even laid some out for you.
This isn't a case of you having no way to deal with a slowcat fleet. It's a case of you not wanting to. It's easier to get mommy CCP to sort it out, so you cry until it happens, right? I already gave a number of pointers, for example using the low mobility of slowcats against it. - And I am not an FC or anything. I'm sure all your tactical geniuses have access to more intel and experience than I. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9732
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:46:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:If you want to attack our SOV., then yes that's one thing. I'd dare a guess there are smarter ways though. And still, you have other ways to counter slowcats, the GSF CEO even laid some out for you.
This isn't a case of you having no way to deal with a slowcat fleet. It's a case of you not wanting to. It's easier to get mommy CCP to sort it out, so you cry until it happens, right? I already gave a number of pointers, for example using the low mobility of slowcats against it. - And I am not an FC or anything. I'm sure all your tactical geniuses have access to more intel and experience than I.
Our counter is more capitals.
Capitals have been nerfed many times in the past for this very reason. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6080
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Sub capitals aren't obsolete or useless. There, done. quick, devise a counter to massed slowcats with supercarrier reps under a jammer F4R showed that a jammer is a perfect hardcounter to slowcats and supers. Any other questions the CFC master tacticians can't solve but a random N3 grunt/forumwarrior can? All we need to do is get a cynojammer into an enemy held system or spawn an incursion before the slowcat fleet deploys... Mmm, an incursion you say? Where do you want one, I'll use my True Sansha LP to buy one. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1345
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:00:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
If CCP give in to them and alter the game mechanics as mittens wants, it will look like favouritism towards a group of players because they (the goons) get the game welcome publicity.
The goons would then be forever laughed at, "please mommy we are special snowflakes"
Too late, already happened. Just another handout won't matter.
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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
526
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:If you want to attack our SOV., then yes that's one thing. I'd dare a guess there are smarter ways though. And still, you have other ways to counter slowcats, the GSF CEO even laid some out for you.
This isn't a case of you having no way to deal with a slowcat fleet. It's a case of you not wanting to. It's easier to get mommy CCP to sort it out, so you cry until it happens, right? I already gave a number of pointers, for example using the low mobility of slowcats against it. - And I am not an FC or anything. I'm sure all your tactical geniuses have access to more intel and experience than I. Our counter is more capitals. Capitals have been nerfed many times in the past for this very reason. 200 megas with 425 IIs and 2 magstabs can melt a full tank archon in ~25 seconds. 5 seconds locktime or so? 400 megas can melt that same archon in ~13 seconds.
Along with an archons locktime (~8 sec), the fact that armour reps land at the end of cycles (5s) and just the slightest bit of unawareness from the targeted archon (Such as watching pornography/netflix or napping, which I have from good sources all pilots do in drone fleets) you will be able to kill an archon every 20 seconds if you put 2 fleets of megas on grid. Your counter is more capitals out of choice, not necessity.
So please, cry more, lie more, beg CCP to hand you that victory, as long as you know why. Because you chose to. |
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:45:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote: ]200 megas with 425 IIs and 2 magstabs can melt a full tank archon in ~25 seconds. 5 seconds locktime or so? 400 megas can melt that same archon in ~13 seconds.
Along with an archons locktime (~8 sec), the fact that armour reps land at the end of cycles (5s) and just the slightest bit of unawareness from the targeted archon (Such as watching pornography/netflix or napping, which I have from good sources all pilots do in drone fleets) you will be able to kill an archon every 20 seconds if you put 2 fleets of megas on grid. Your counter is more capitals out of choice, not necessity.
So please, cry more, lie more, beg CCP to hand you that victory, as long as you know why. Because you chose to.
OK let's assume your figures are right, for the sake of this argument.
It takes 5 seconds for the megathron fleet to lock an archon then 25 seconds to "melt" it. This obviously assumes that all 200 megathrons are pressing buttons at the exact same time.
You're saying that all the other archons in the fleet take 8 seconds to lock another archon, and then 5 seconds to start repping, at which point the carrier essentially lives.
That means that the archon just needs to survive for 13 seconds with a 200 mega fleet right?
In your next example, you're saying that 400 megathrons will kill an archon in 13 seconds, and the archon needs to live for 13 seconds right?
wow that sounds pretty close run! I mean if the archon is even a SECOND too slow it dies right?
Apart from the fact that 650 players in system, 250 of them in carriers with drones out will be in 10% TiDi, meaning ACTUALLY there isn't 1 second either way, there is 10 seconds either way.
Plus it's a lot harder to get 400 guys to lock and shoot something then 250, meaning there is going to be wastage.
Even if you assume both fleets have the same amount of people not paying attention, you have to realise that:
Every megathron shooting isn't "decreasing" that 13 seconds Every megathron NOT shooting is INCREASING that 13 seconds Every Archon repping is INCREASING that 13 seconds Every Archon NOT repping isn't decreasing that 13 seconds.
The only way the time works perfectly at 13 seconds for the megathrons is if all lock and shoot at the same time doing the same DPS. If the Archons don't rep the carrier at all it will die in 13 seconds.
However for every Megathron NOT shooting that 13 seconds is actually slightly longer, buying the archon pilots more time in order to lock and kill the carrier.
You're talking utter rubbish, the only reason you're defending a ridiculous tactic is because you are the one using it. If you were fighting us we would (as expected) do the same thing and you'd be complaining that we were breaking the game. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
88
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:07:00 -
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Use 500 Megas then?
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
193
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:13:00 -
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Or a thousand megas.
It's not like they are expensive compared to carriers. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
526
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:14:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:You're talking utter rubbish, the only reason you're defending a ridiculous tactic is because you are the one using it. If you were fighting us we would (as expected) do the same thing and you'd be complaining that we were breaking the game. Maybe I would get some better reasons to complain in that case. My example serves to show that you turn to capitals out of choice, not necessity.
That dismantles the argument baltec1 has about the solution to capitals being more capitals.
All you have to do is come up with some arguments that do not rely on BS. "Oh no, sentry drones are OP, nerf!" relies on ignoring a large number of drone mechanics, "Sentry fleets has 1 participant: The FC, the rest are wanking" is bollocks (And the FC triggering isn't much better than F1, especially when you take the drone interface into account), "Carriers have effectively unlimited drones" is both untrue, ignores that drones costs ISK and that recalling-redropping drones will significantly lower that carriers ability to deal damage, "slowcats can only be killed by other capitals" is untrue (As I showed just before, and as more competent and knowledgeable people have shown before). I'm not sure if any CFC members this time 'round has attacked the mobility of slowcats?
Are there any arguments that does not fall into one of those categories?
See, it's CFC who wants a change, so it's up to you to handle the burden of proof. Why does it need to be changed? Until you come up with a good reason, I won't even have to defend the mechanic itself. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9732
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:21:00 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:Use 500 Megas then?
Still not enough and we would be losing one mega every cycle or two of the sentry drones.
If it was as simple as throwing a few hundred mega at the problem we wouldn't be working on getting dreads that do have the firepower to alpha them Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1822
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:33:00 -
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Once again, while the blob-seccer's whinge, the bulk of Eve cares not one whit about the issues a tiny minority of the player base has, especially since it is self-inflicted.
Where we do care is when your whining and CCP caving to your demands affects gameplay for the majority of the playerbase.
But it is a fait accompli.
goons batphone CCP, and CCP does what is demanded of them by goons. Been that way for a long time now.
This would be a so much more dynamic game if CCP got its collective head of its ass and realized that catering to the tiny minority in this game is terrible business sense, then ignored their crying, dismantled the game mechanics and meta that created this mess in the first place, and re-created null sec mechanics that precluded any giant blue blankets. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1918
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:Use 500 Megas then?
Still not enough and we would be losing one mega every cycle or two of the sentry drones. If it was as simple as throwing a few hundred mega at the problem we wouldn't be working on getting dreads that do have the firepower to alpha them
Are you saying that dreads are the answer to the problem and that if enough of your pilots could fly them well, mittens would not be crying into his milk? This is not a signature. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
88
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:47:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Where we do care is when your whining and CCP caving to your demands affects gameplay for the majority of the playerbase.
I know that removing drone assist would impact a lot of players like mission runners, incursion guys and even myself as whoring killmails when I fly a logistics ship would become a lot harder. I really dont want them to just remove drone assist. But I really cant remember any change CCP made because of a nullsec war, that actually impacted my gameplay (me being a FW pilot).
moon mining? didnt change anything doomsday nerf? hell no blabdread nerf? I am not sure, I know WH guys used them to do their capital escalations, is that now impossible?
I wouldn-¦t count changes like drone alloys, nullsec mining site changes etc as actually impacting the rest of the game, other than that the prices on the market fluctuating a bit, but that happens all the time anyway.
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
193
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:47:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Charlie Firpol wrote:Use 500 Megas then?
Still not enough and we would be losing one mega every cycle or two of the sentry drones. If it was as simple as throwing a few hundred mega at the problem we wouldn't be working on getting dreads that do have the firepower to alpha them Are you saying that dreads are the answer to the problem and that if enough of your pilots could fly them well, mittens would not be crying into his milk?
yes.
they have a counter
but because its annoying to buy and use the counter, that is justification to nerf the enemy fleet. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
527
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:48:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Once again, while the blob-seccer's whinge, the bulk of Eve cares not one whit about the issues a tiny minority of the player base has, especially since it is self-inflicted.
Where we do care is when your whining and CCP caving to your demands affects gameplay for the majority of the playerbase.
But it is a fait accompli.
goons batphone CCP, and CCP does what is demanded of them by goons. Been that way for a long time now.
This would be a so much more dynamic game if CCP got its collective head of its ass and realized that catering to the tiny minority in this game is terrible business sense, then ignored their crying, dismantled the game mechanics and meta that created this mess in the first place, and re-created null sec mechanics that precluded any giant blue blankets. Look, I like your signature, but when your posts look like this... You're hard to take serious. Can't you stay over there, with the kids who don't know what they're talking about?
First of all, if goons could batphone CCP, they wouldn't need to make this show. Second, the lowsec/NPC 0.0/SOV. 0.0/WH-sandboxes are what really makes EVE distinct. You can get HS on PvP servers in a few other games as well. Not that interesting PvE, not a lot of demand for industry on massive scale (Since less destruction), not a lot of player ability to create stories, (meaningful) groups or enforce their will. That "small minority" brings EVE to the frontpage of national and international newspapers' web editions.
When a miner or mission runner does that, your "HS > 0.0" argument can actually have validity.
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