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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Well the last few pages have been just awful.
The only thing we all got out of them is that infinity is godawful at battleships and has no idea how to use or fit them. I got a giggle or two. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6058
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:51:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:baltec1 wrote:The only thing we all got out of them is that infinity is godawful at battleships and has no idea how to use or fit them. You forgot the mandatory logical fallacy "so therefore BS are terrible" You all got trolled. puppetmasta ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
624
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:baltec1 wrote:The only thing we all got out of them is that infinity is godawful at battleships and has no idea how to use or fit them. You forgot the mandatory logical fallacy "so therefore BS are terrible" You all got trolled. puppetmasta
I certainly hope so....
Eram Fidard wrote:There is one redeeming factor about Ziona's posting.
If he/she is just a troll, it's a pretty damned good one.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8073
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:11:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I gave a pretty good explanation Nowhere in this entire thread have you given anything that amounts to a good explanation of anything except for why you really shouldn't be flying battleships because you suck at them. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6066
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:32:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:baltec1 wrote:The only thing we all got out of them is that infinity is godawful at battleships and has no idea how to use or fit them. You forgot the mandatory logical fallacy "so therefore BS are terrible" You all got trolled. puppetmasta I certainly hope so.... Eram Fidard wrote:There is one redeeming factor about Ziona's posting.
If he/she is just a troll, it's a pretty damned good one. A pretty well responded-to troll, even if the feigning being terrible at the game and being a liar is pretty obvious
I bet some people really think nullsec is 30bil/hr ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1341
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Posted - 2014.01.04 00:45:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: No they are terrible.
I think perhaps you should stop posting. You have literally an entire thread of people facepalming over each of your posts. Saying that you can't solo roam around nullsec and catch frigates in a battleship is like saying you can't screw lightbulbs in with a Pneumatic drill. No you can't. But you can't drill holes in the pavement with your hand either. It's a false economy. To paraphrase Einstein 'If you judge a Battleship by its ability to lock frigates, it will live its whole life believing that it is terrible.' A thread full of blobbers who never used a battleship for pvp in small / solo scenario. As I have stated before, battleships are fine in blobs because other people pick up your slack.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8074
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Posted - 2014.01.04 00:47:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:A thread full of blobbers who never used a battleship for pvp in small / solo scenario. As I have stated before, battleships are fine in blobs because other people pick up your slack.
Battleships are INTENDED for fleets. Just because you're using them wrong doesn't mean they're awful. Not all ships are intended to be good solo. That doesn't make them bad ships. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4348
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Posted - 2014.01.04 00:49:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Arduemont wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: No they are terrible.
I think perhaps you should stop posting. You have literally an entire thread of people facepalming over each of your posts. Saying that you can't solo roam around nullsec and catch frigates in a battleship is like saying you can't screw lightbulbs in with a Pneumatic drill. No you can't. But you can't drill holes in the pavement with your hand either. It's a false economy. To paraphrase Einstein 'If you judge a Battleship by its ability to lock frigates, it will live its whole life believing that it is terrible.' A thread full of blobbers who never used a battleship for pvp in small / solo scenario. As I have stated before, battleships are fine in blobs because other people pick up your slack.
"Battleships can't solo PvP" he says. Meanwhile, people are out there doing solo PvP in battleships. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1342
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Posted - 2014.01.04 01:34:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Arduemont wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: No they are terrible.
I think perhaps you should stop posting. You have literally an entire thread of people facepalming over each of your posts. Saying that you can't solo roam around nullsec and catch frigates in a battleship is like saying you can't screw lightbulbs in with a Pneumatic drill. No you can't. But you can't drill holes in the pavement with your hand either. It's a false economy. To paraphrase Einstein 'If you judge a Battleship by its ability to lock frigates, it will live its whole life believing that it is terrible.' A thread full of blobbers who never used a battleship for pvp in small / solo scenario. As I have stated before, battleships are fine in blobs because other people pick up your slack. "Battleships can't solo PvP" he says. Meanwhile, people are out there doing solo PvP in battleships. I never said they cannot solo PvP. They can. Just not for long (mobility, cloakability), and not against a skilled pilot in a small ship (tracking holes, speed / sig tanking, kiting).
I challenge anyone to take up my offer. I will provide you with a T1 battleship and your desired fit (other than a dominix as it uses non BS specific main weaponry), take it to an area of null that I will select, if you manage 5 pvp kills without popping I'll concede I am wrong. Given I did the same thing in a Proteus and got 22 kills and I apparantly suck you should have no issues. Additionally I'll provide 1 billion isk per kill as a reward (trusted 3rd party).
My prediction: This is how it will end for you |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6069
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Posted - 2014.01.04 02:23:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Arduemont wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: No they are terrible.
I think perhaps you should stop posting. You have literally an entire thread of people facepalming over each of your posts. Saying that you can't solo roam around nullsec and catch frigates in a battleship is like saying you can't screw lightbulbs in with a Pneumatic drill. No you can't. But you can't drill holes in the pavement with your hand either. It's a false economy. To paraphrase Einstein 'If you judge a Battleship by its ability to lock frigates, it will live its whole life believing that it is terrible.' A thread full of blobbers who never used a battleship for pvp in small / solo scenario. As I have stated before, battleships are fine in blobs because other people pick up your slack. "Battleships can't solo PvP" he says. Meanwhile, people are out there doing solo PvP in battleships. Why do tons of people use battleships
oh because they're blobbers it doesn't count ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Deunan Tenephais
60
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Posted - 2014.01.04 02:30:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.
Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones. You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo. And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded. If you fit medium guns on a battleship that has damage bonus, then you should never ever undock that ship. You realize how wrong you are? Why attack BC needed to have 1/3rd of the EHP of combat BC while at same time not sporting drone defenses...? TO compensate a single thing.. LARGE WEAPONS. They are FAR FAR more powerful than medium ones. Wait, what, where did I wrote that I fitted medium turrets on battleships ???
I was comparing the dps of medium meta 4 railguns on a battlecruiser (brutix) with (more numerous) large meta 4 railguns fitted to a battleship (megathron) with the same ammo type (antimatter), the same level of relevant skills, near exactly the same fit with adapted size of modules, all of that, and said what I experienced: for a seventh railgun and a third magstab added the increase of dps from medium to large is subpar. The only good thing out of it is the increased shooting/targeting range, frankly I do not find it very worthwile considering the amount of hitpoints one can find in L4. So for now I'm back in my brutix doing L3 and looking more and more at the Brutix Navy Issue. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1342
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Posted - 2014.01.04 02:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Arduemont wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: No they are terrible.
I think perhaps you should stop posting. You have literally an entire thread of people facepalming over each of your posts. Saying that you can't solo roam around nullsec and catch frigates in a battleship is like saying you can't screw lightbulbs in with a Pneumatic drill. No you can't. But you can't drill holes in the pavement with your hand either. It's a false economy. To paraphrase Einstein 'If you judge a Battleship by its ability to lock frigates, it will live its whole life believing that it is terrible.' A thread full of blobbers who never used a battleship for pvp in small / solo scenario. As I have stated before, battleships are fine in blobs because other people pick up your slack. "Battleships can't solo PvP" he says. Meanwhile, people are out there doing solo PvP in battleships. Why do tons of people use battleships oh because they're blobbers it doesn't count Yeah because logically a blob combines the best elements of all its component ships, the vulnerabilities are reduced or eliminated by the addition of ships with those strengths.
Can a Megathron tackle a cruiser at gate reliably? No Can a Megathron and an interceptor tackle a cruiser at a gate reliably? Yes?
If you said yes you're wrong. The interceptor can tackle the cruiser at a gate reliably. The Mega's deficiencies are just masked. The more ships you add the more deficiencies are masked.
If the Mega is at the gate by itself, it cannot engage reliably. Only the cruiser can force the engagement. If the cruiser wishes it can even kill the Mega depending on fits. In short the most powerful subcap in the game (not in actuality) is the weakest.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6069
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:21:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.
Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones. You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo. And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded. If you fit medium guns on a battleship that has damage bonus, then you should never ever undock that ship. You realize how wrong you are? Why attack BC needed to have 1/3rd of the EHP of combat BC while at same time not sporting drone defenses...? TO compensate a single thing.. LARGE WEAPONS. They are FAR FAR more powerful than medium ones. Wait, what, where did I wrote that I fitted medium turrets on battleships ??? I was comparing the dps of medium meta 4 railguns on a battlecruiser (brutix) with (more numerous) large meta 4 railguns fitted to a battleship (megathron) with the same ammo type (antimatter), the same level of relevant skills, near exactly the same fit with adapted size of modules, all of that, and said what I experienced: for a seventh railgun and a third magstab added the increase of dps from medium to large is subpar. The only good thing out of it is the increased shooting/targeting range, frankly I do not find it very worthwile considering the amount of hitpoints one can find in L4. So for now I'm back in my brutix doing L3 and looking more and more at the Brutix Navy Issue. EDIT: I just calculated the difference in dps between 250mm meta 4 rail and 425mm meta 4. 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun 24 (14/10) Base Charge Damage (Antimatter) X 4.17 Damage Modifier 5.42s Rate of Fire Dps: 18.465 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun 48 (28/20) Base Charge Damage (Antimatter) X 3.63 Damage Modifier 9.56s Rate of Fire Dps: 18.226 Basically, at equal bonuses the medium version does more dps than the large one. Of course the large have far more range but it has also far less tracking speed. If the increased range is the only thing that is bettered then it is disapointing. are we just shooting structures that don't shoot back
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1342
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.
Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones. You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo. And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded. If you fit medium guns on a battleship that has damage bonus, then you should never ever undock that ship. You realize how wrong you are? Why attack BC needed to have 1/3rd of the EHP of combat BC while at same time not sporting drone defenses...? TO compensate a single thing.. LARGE WEAPONS. They are FAR FAR more powerful than medium ones. Wait, what, where did I wrote that I fitted medium turrets on battleships ??? I was comparing the dps of medium meta 4 railguns on a battlecruiser (brutix) with (more numerous) large meta 4 railguns fitted to a battleship (megathron) with the same ammo type (antimatter), the same level of relevant skills, near exactly the same fit with adapted size of modules, all of that, and said what I experienced: for a seventh railgun and a third magstab added the increase of dps from medium to large is subpar. The only good thing out of it is the increased shooting/targeting range, frankly I do not find it very worthwile considering the amount of hitpoints one can find in L4. So for now I'm back in my brutix doing L3 and looking more and more at the Brutix Navy Issue. EDIT: I just calculated the difference in dps between 250mm meta 4 rail and 425mm meta 4. 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun 24 (14/10) Base Charge Damage (Antimatter) X 4.17 Damage Modifier 5.42s Rate of Fire Dps: 18.465 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun 48 (28/20) Base Charge Damage (Antimatter) X 3.63 Damage Modifier 9.56s Rate of Fire Dps: 18.226 Basically, at equal bonuses the medium version does more dps than the large one. Of course the large have far more range but it has also far less tracking speed. If the increased range is the only thing that is bettered then it is disapointing. are we just shooting structures that don't shoot back Oh one more thing about your "heaps of people using them" Goons use them for cheap fleets vs what? Primarily caps and other BS. Likely also at range too and cyno'd around. This eliminates the majority of tracking / sig / mobility issues that kill them for solo / small gang. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8078
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:34:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Yeah because logically a blob combines the best elements of all its component ships, the vulnerabilities are reduced or eliminated by the addition of ships with those strengths.
Can a Megathron tackle a cruiser at gate reliably? No Can a Megathron and an interceptor tackle a cruiser at a gate reliably? Yes?
If you said yes you're wrong. The interceptor can tackle the cruiser at a gate reliably. The Mega's deficiencies are just masked. The more ships you add the more deficiencies are masked.
If the Mega is at the gate by itself, it cannot engage reliably. Only the cruiser can force the engagement. If the cruiser wishes it can even kill the Mega depending on fits. In short the most powerful subcap in the game (not in actuality) is the weakest.
Yeah, who knew fleets mixed compositions... Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6071
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Yeah because logically a blob combines the best elements of all its component ships, the vulnerabilities are reduced or eliminated by the addition of ships with those strengths.
Can a Megathron tackle a cruiser at gate reliably? No Can a Megathron and an interceptor tackle a cruiser at a gate reliably? Yes?
If you said yes you're wrong. The interceptor can tackle the cruiser at a gate reliably. The Mega's deficiencies are just masked. The more ships you add the more deficiencies are masked.
If the Mega is at the gate by itself, it cannot engage reliably. Only the cruiser can force the engagement. If the cruiser wishes it can even kill the Mega depending on fits. In short the most powerful subcap in the game (not in actuality) is the weakest. Yeah, who knew fleets mixed compositions... Well if you just had a massive blob of archons
no wait, must add some supercaps ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2270
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:43:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:The interceptor can tackle the cruiser at a gate reliably. The Mega's deficiencies are just masked. The more ships you add the more deficiencies are masked.
If the Mega is at the gate by itself, it cannot engage reliably. Only the cruiser can force the engagement. If the cruiser wishes it can even kill the Mega depending on fits. In short the most powerful subcap in the game (not in actuality) is the weakest. Smartbombs.
Oh god. |
Deunan Tenephais
60
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:are we just shooting structures that don't shoot back
No we are not, that's why the decreased track speed is in itself a big enough problem, no need to have a decrease or stagnation in damage to top it off. Frankly, people take BS to L4 for the increased tank, but if all large turrets are like that I start to understand why dominel fits are so popular.
And, Zonia ? I'm not on the BS topic here, I'm on the fact large railguns dps suck big time, large weaps are not the ships themselves. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8081
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:52:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:My point is if you want an accurate overall comparison of a ship you don't throw it into a fleet. You look at its individual attributes versus other ships. No, that's not an accurate overall comparison. That's a one-to-one comparison.
Infinity Ziona wrote:Battleships were not designed as fleet ships. Nor intended to only be used in fleets. How do I know this? Because they were in before fleets were even considered as a game mechanic. Which is irrelevant, because they've since been rebalanced several times. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6071
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:58:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:My point is if you want an accurate overall comparison of a ship you don't throw it into a fleet. You look at its individual attributes versus other ships. No, that's not an accurate overall comparison. That's a one-to-one comparison. Infinity Ziona wrote:Battleships were not designed as fleet ships. Nor intended to only be used in fleets. How do I know this? Because they were in before fleets were even considered as a game mechanic. Which is irrelevant, because they've since been rebalanced several times. honor duels 1v1 at the sun is the only use for ships that is relevant ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1342
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:08:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:are we just shooting structures that don't shoot back
No we are not, that's why the decreased track speed is in itself a big enough problem, no need to have a decrease or stagnation in damage to top it off. Frankly, people take BS to L4 for the increased tank, but if all large turrets are like that I start to understand why dominel fits are so popular. And, Zonia ? I'm not on the BS topic here, I'm on the fact large railguns dps suck big time, large weaps are not the ships themselves. Large guns fit on battleships (and attack battlecruisers). Tracking and sig radius are a huge part of why battleships suck so your posts are relevent. Also consider that you're posting in a thread about BS not Large Rails or perhaps rename the thread? |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
626
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:11:00 -
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Always nice to see the fire burning bright when you get home.
Infinity, I really think it's time...
for an intervention.
It's these pants. The ones you've been wearing on your head the past several months. They are starting to reek, and it's really not very stylish. At all.
Please, for us, for yourself, remove the pants from your head. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1342
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:My point is if you want an accurate overall comparison of a ship you don't throw it into a fleet. You look at its individual attributes versus other ships. No, that's not an accurate overall comparison. That's a one-to-one comparison. Infinity Ziona wrote:Battleships were not designed as fleet ships. Nor intended to only be used in fleets. How do I know this? Because they were in before fleets were even considered as a game mechanic. Which is irrelevant, because they've since been rebalanced several times. No its an overall comparison. You can't just make things up to make them true James. You need to try to follow at least the basic principles.
As for the rebalancing, it was terrible, they could stop hiring PL and Goons and get some actual real developers on the team, not a bunch of nerd gamers biased towards sov and blob. Rebalancing in EVE usually means changing things so they're different, not necessarily better (missiles and the LRML are good examples). |
IDGAD
Get in the van I have candy.
75
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:16:00 -
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Quite honestly I have to agree. It's been a long long time since I've used a T1 BS seriously. I use a typhoon for smartbombing pods and shuttles on low-> highsec gates but that's a REALLY fringe use. Pirate BS have a good use in Incursions due to their extra buffer, but otherwise they aren't that great especially in PvP. The Tier 3 battlecruisers really replaced almost everything that the BS were ever needed for, and although they are a little glass cannon, they still get the job done cheap enough and agile enough to be mostly preferred instead of T1 BS. When it comes down to it, it's a problem of large guns not being able to hit small targets as well. Small can hit small, medium and large; Medium can hit some small, medium, and large, but large guns are mostly large, and medium-large targets. The viability of BS fleets is mainly just against other BS fleets, but there are MUCH better counters to a BS fleet than other BS so...... they are relatively null and void (no hybrid pun intended). |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8083
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:17:00 -
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No, one niche case is not "overall". It's really that simple. Go look at a dictionary sometime. Also, none of the developers responsible for balance were ever Goons or even affiliated with them. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6072
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:19:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, one niche case is not "overall". It's really that simple. Go look at a dictionary sometime. Also, none of the developers responsible for balance were ever Goons or even affiliated with them. yeah, sure...
general discussion told me ~the shocking truth~ ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8083
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:22:00 -
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Unless CCP Ytterbium was, but he wasn't responsible for battleship rebalancing as far as I recall and I can't find any information about his character(s) prior to joining CCP. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Deunan Tenephais
60
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:23:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:are we just shooting structures that don't shoot back
No we are not, that's why the decreased track speed is in itself a big enough problem, no need to have a decrease or stagnation in damage to top it off. Frankly, people take BS to L4 for the increased tank, but if all large turrets are like that I start to understand why dominel fits are so popular. And, Zonia ? I'm not on the BS topic here, I'm on the fact large railguns dps suck big time, large weaps are not the ships themselves. Large guns fit on battleships (and attack battlecruisers). Tracking and sig radius are a huge part of why battleships suck so your posts are relevent. Also consider that you're posting in a thread about BS not Large Rails or perhaps rename the thread? If the problem lies with the guns then the ships themselves are not to blame. Perhaps you should rename the thread, indeed. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6073
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Posted - 2014.01.04 04:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Unless CCP Ytterbium was, but he wasn't responsible for battleship rebalancing as far as I recall and I can't find any information about his character(s) prior to joining CCP. such ~goon spin~
very pretend ignorance
so general discussion
wow ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9729
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Posted - 2014.01.04 06:22:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: My point is if you want an accurate overall comparison of a ship you don't throw it into a fleet. You look at its individual attributes versus other ships.
Battleships were not designed as fleet ships. Nor intended to only be used in fleets. How do I know this? Because they were in before fleets were even considered as a game mechanic.
Yes battleships are fleet ships. But there are some that are solo boats and some that are small gang boats. Battleships from back then also didn't have tracking to worry about or stacking penalties. Nobody wants those ships back.
We have a range of BS that have different jobs, not all of them are made with 1v1s in mind and haven't been for getting on for a decade, same with many other ships in every class. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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