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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:25:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:The irony... is so strong.
Yes, it is. Let me paraphrase your argument:
A Megathron is not a solo pvp ship.
Let's judge the strength of Megathrons with a 1v1, or by flying solo.
Logic. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
192
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:33:00 -
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to be fair , the main example was a Rohk, even less of a solo ship and a much worse example of the class. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:49:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:to be fair , the main example was a Rohk, even less of a solo ship and a much worse example of the class.
I'm still not sure, how do we know the developers didn't intend the Rokh to be a solo pvp ship?
In-Game Rokh Description wrote:A fleet vessel if ever there was one, this far-reaching and durable beast is expected to see a great deal of service on battlefields near and far. Oh right. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1390
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:36:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:The irony... is so strong. Yes, it is. Let me paraphrase your argument: A Megathron is not a solo pvp ship. Let's judge the strength of Megathrons with a 1v1, or by flying solo. Logic. Strawman. I didn't say the mega was not a solo pvp ship. I said it was both a solo pvp ship and a small gang pvp ship which in late years has gone from good at solo pvp to poor at solo pvp.
As for my Rokh example, that was in a response to someone who introduced the Rokh into the thread saying it was sufficient, my response was to that. I never introduced the Rokh into the thread.
As for the solo battleship challenge. Firstly I only fly solo and that and small gang pvp is what I consider valid PvP, the rest (blobs, ganks, capitals) is just rubbish and requires no skill or effort other than to turn up and follow simon says style.
Addtional to the solo issue is that many people in this thread continue to spread falsehoods about the capability of battleships, some stating that its my "using them wrong" which gives me the impression that they're broken. In response my challenge was laid down so that they can show me how to 'use them right'.
The fact they refuse to take up the offer is pretty telling - IE they're full of shite.
Sal Landry wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:to be fair , the main example was a Rohk, even less of a solo ship and a much worse example of the class. I'm still not sure, how do we know the developers didn't intend the Rokh to be a solo pvp ship? In-Game Rokh Description wrote:A fleet vessel if ever there was one, this far-reaching and durable beast is expected to see a great deal of service on battlefields near and far. Oh right. You must be new? Functionally the Rokh is less of a fleet ship then many other battleships (Geddon, Apoc, Dominix, Megathron). Also the developers have put some pretty ridiculous things in their In Game Ship Descriptions.
But most importantly, the Rokh was an expansion ship introduced long after the original battleships. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
192
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:46:00 -
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you did not exactly give it any allowances ether. I'm reminded of Castro's last election .
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1390
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:00:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you did not exactly give it any allowances ether. I'm reminded of Castro's last election .
Well apparently according to the people in this thread, I'm an awful pvp'r, I'm not great tbh but never said I was.
So since I'm awful and these guys are self proclaimed great pvp'rs I figured I'll look at one of my best awful wars where I went solo 50 jumps into null to an alliances hub system and threatened to kill them unless they let me dock in one of their outposts. In that war I got 22 kills before getting hot dropped. That was in a 'according to the forum warriors here' a '**** fit XLASB Proteus'. I then returned in a standard armor Proteus and got a further 11 kills before getting ganked.
Given the aforementioned warriors think that battleships are fantastic as they are, I imagine they could show me how to use these battleships and so, being a fair person, I decided they should easily be able to do similar to what I did and get at least 1/4 the kills I got. So 5 instead of 22 I think is quite fair.. Dont you?
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Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
192
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:12:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you did not exactly give it any allowances ether. I'm reminded of Castro's last election .
Well apparently according to the people in this thread, I'm an awful pvp'r, I'm not great tbh but never said I was. So since I'm awful and these guys are self proclaimed great pvp'rs I figured I'll look at one of my best awful wars where I went solo 50 jumps into null to an alliances hub system and threatened to kill them unless they let me dock in one of their outposts. In that war I got 22 kills before getting hot dropped. That was in a 'according to the forum warriors here' a '**** fit XLASB Proteus'. I then returned in a standard armor Proteus and got a further 11 kills before getting ganked. Given the aforementioned warriors think that battleships are fantastic as they are, I imagine they could show me how to use these battleships and so, being a fair person, I decided they should easily be able to do similar to what I did and get at least 1/4 the kills I got. So 5 instead of 22 I think is quite fair.. Dont you?
I offered to run your gauntlet with the modification of going through wormholes instead (which would get you more of that "Solo" pvp that you declare to be the only viable pvp{okay you did also say small group as well}) still no reply from you you just ignore the fact that someone is willing to take the challenge.
I think you just dont even read posts other than to give them a base scan and pick up on buzzwords, and then find what to say to further your arguments. Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1390
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Posted - 2014.01.07 03:07:00 -
[398] - Quote
Tasiv Deka wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:you did not exactly give it any allowances ether. I'm reminded of Castro's last election .
Well apparently according to the people in this thread, I'm an awful pvp'r, I'm not great tbh but never said I was. So since I'm awful and these guys are self proclaimed great pvp'rs I figured I'll look at one of my best awful wars where I went solo 50 jumps into null to an alliances hub system and threatened to kill them unless they let me dock in one of their outposts. In that war I got 22 kills before getting hot dropped. That was in a 'according to the forum warriors here' a '**** fit XLASB Proteus'. I then returned in a standard armor Proteus and got a further 11 kills before getting ganked. Given the aforementioned warriors think that battleships are fantastic as they are, I imagine they could show me how to use these battleships and so, being a fair person, I decided they should easily be able to do similar to what I did and get at least 1/4 the kills I got. So 5 instead of 22 I think is quite fair.. Dont you? I offered to run your gauntlet with the modification of going through wormholes instead (which would get you more of that "Solo" pvp that you declare to be the only viable pvp{okay you did also say small group as well}) still no reply from you you just ignore the fact that someone is willing to take the challenge. I think you just dont even read posts other than to give them a base scan and pick up on buzzwords, and then find what to say to further your arguments. No I read it. Counter offers don't interest me. There's only one offer on the table. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
192
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Posted - 2014.01.07 03:08:00 -
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Castro much?
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9744
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Posted - 2014.01.07 05:19:00 -
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Infinity also backed out of the first challenge when I accepted in another thread. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1391
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Posted - 2014.01.07 05:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity also backed out of the first challenge when I accepted in another thread. You never accepted my offer.
An offer is only an offer until its counter-offered. Once an offer is counter-offered the original offer if no longer a valid offer. I rejected your counter offer because it was unreasonable and would not prove or disprove anything given you were demanding a Marauder which is not a T1 Battleship.
Additionally given you are Goonslime and this is EVE; providing you with a billion isk ship would likely be shortly followed by a "Lol I scammed Ziona out of a 1 billion isk ship thread".
Have a nice day. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9744
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:11:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity also backed out of the first challenge when I accepted in another thread. You never accepted my offer. An offer is only an offer until its counter-offered. Once an offer is counter-offered the original offer if no longer a valid offer. I rejected your counter offer because it was unreasonable and would not prove or disprove anything given you were demanding a Marauder which is not a T1 Battleship. Additionally given you are Goonslime and this is EVE; providing you with a billion isk ship would likely be shortly followed by a "Lol I scammed Ziona out of a 1 billion isk ship thread". Have a nice day.
There is no such thing as a t1 BS anymore, thats the whole point of teircide. They are all BS and in you original demad you said to me to go solo in a mega. So I asked you to provide the best mega hull for the job. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8164
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:28:00 -
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Tiercide didn't remove tech levels though, just tiers. My EVE Videos |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9744
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tiercide didn't remove tech levels though, just tiers.
The point is to make everything viable, In my eyes they are all just BS. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2014.01.07 10:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tiercide didn't remove tech levels though, just tiers. The point is to make everything viable, In my eyes they are all just BS.
then prove that by flying a bs infinity supplied, oh wait, you didnt.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9745
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:35:00 -
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Pandora Barzane wrote:baltec1 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tiercide didn't remove tech levels though, just tiers. The point is to make everything viable, In my eyes they are all just BS. then prove that by flying a bs infinity supplied, oh wait, you didnt.
Why would I fly a fleet focused ship over one that is much better suited for solo work?
If I am going to do a job then I will pick the correct tool for the job. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1081
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Posted - 2014.01.07 20:19:00 -
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If you cant find viable uses for battleships in both PvP and PvE then you are very far below the curve in this game and on your way out.
If you choose not to use any battleships in this game then you are doing just fine. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
177
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If its T3 cruisers the T3's will have bigger buffer tanks than the battleships. T3s are irrelevant when discussing ship balance. Wait until they are nerfed and then we can see how they compare to BSes (they won't lol).
They will never be nerfed simply because the penalties that come along with flying T3's. Loss of SP must be reflected in something. They also represent future tech. For now only tech 3 cruisers been released. Some day CCP will get around to expanding the T3 ship tree. Price, required skills and penalty at death will save other ships from becoming obsolete as they do now. T3 battleship would kick strategic cruisers ass, that's for sure... Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
192
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:09:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If its T3 cruisers the T3's will have bigger buffer tanks than the battleships. T3s are irrelevant when discussing ship balance. Wait until they are nerfed and then we can see how they compare to BSes (they won't lol). They will never be nerfed simply because the penalties that come along with flying T3's. Loss of SP must be reflected in something. They also represent future tech. For now only tech 3 cruisers been released. Some day CCP will get around to expanding the T3 ship tree. Price, required skills and penalty at death will save other ships from becoming obsolete as they do now. T3 battleship would kick strategic cruisers ass, that's for sure...
Actually no... CCP has even said theyre getting reworked i forget who it was that said they were rabid dogs that need put down
I for one just want all the subs to be viable (as does most everyone) and skillwise they are easier to get into than most tech two ships... Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1350
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:14:00 -
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i dont like mine since the warp speed adjustment.
and i havnt been fond of them since TDs and ew got improved also the new EAFs are stupid strong. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
177
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:32:00 -
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Tasiv Deka wrote:Radius Prime wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If its T3 cruisers the T3's will have bigger buffer tanks than the battleships. T3s are irrelevant when discussing ship balance. Wait until they are nerfed and then we can see how they compare to BSes (they won't lol). They will never be nerfed simply because the penalties that come along with flying T3's. Loss of SP must be reflected in something. They also represent future tech. For now only tech 3 cruisers been released. Some day CCP will get around to expanding the T3 ship tree. Price, required skills and penalty at death will save other ships from becoming obsolete as they do now. T3 battleship would kick strategic cruisers ass, that's for sure... Actually no... CCP has even said theyre getting reworked i forget who it was that said they were rabid dogs that need put down I for one just want all the subs to be viable (as does most everyone) and skillwise they are easier to get into than most tech two ships...
Bummer
No1 will use them anymore and I already feel like the trend of making all ships the same and boring, is out of control. Diversity is what keeps a game interesting and fun imo. Nothing wrong with a ship being OP if the cost or time to build puts it back on a level playing field. Caldari can have weak cruisers but above average battlecruisers and Minmater can have strong cruisers but weak battlecruisers. You could then balance a bit buy providing more versatility to weaker ships or advantage in slots or something so players can fool around. Would reflect real life military a lot more and would keep things interesting.
As it is after the rebalance all races will end up with basically the same ships with different looks in their arsenal. What is the point in having different races then? I feel like CCP is throwing all the ice cream flavours together to create a single flavour no-one would chase the ice cream truck for.
Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:15:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote: No1 will use them anymore and I already feel like the trend of making all ships the same and boring, is out of control.
+1
However you cannot entirely blame CCP. As soon as any ship gets something interesting happening, the forums are immediately deluged with whiners demanding it be nerfed.
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Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
192
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:55:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Tasiv Deka wrote:Radius Prime wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:If its T3 cruisers the T3's will have bigger buffer tanks than the battleships. T3s are irrelevant when discussing ship balance. Wait until they are nerfed and then we can see how they compare to BSes (they won't lol). They will never be nerfed simply because the penalties that come along with flying T3's. Loss of SP must be reflected in something. They also represent future tech. For now only tech 3 cruisers been released. Some day CCP will get around to expanding the T3 ship tree. Price, required skills and penalty at death will save other ships from becoming obsolete as they do now. T3 battleship would kick strategic cruisers ass, that's for sure... Actually no... CCP has even said theyre getting reworked i forget who it was that said they were rabid dogs that need put down I for one just want all the subs to be viable (as does most everyone) and skillwise they are easier to get into than most tech two ships... Bummer No1 will use them anymore and I already feel like the trend of making all ships the same and boring, is out of control. Diversity is what keeps a game interesting and fun imo. Nothing wrong with a ship being OP if the cost or time to build puts it back on a level playing field. Caldari can have weak cruisers but above average battle cruisers and Minmater can have strong cruisers but weak battle cruisers. You could then balance a bit by providing more versatility to weaker ships or advantage in slots or something so players can fool around. Would reflect real life military a lot more and would keep things interesting. As it is after the rebalance all races will end up with basically the same ships with different looks in their arsenal. What is the point in having different races then? I feel like CCP is throwing all the ice cream flavours together to create a single flavour no-one would chase the ice cream truck for.
Nerfing t3s isnt homoginizing the game... as a matter of fact ships are seriously different now that they are rebalancing them... Before it was you want to win fly whatever was currently the most op ship now everything has a purpose you want insanely long range you go with Caldari, You want bum rush the enemy and slug them in the face you go Gallente, You want to sit there and outlast the enemy go Amarr, and for Minmatar... you well i guess run away? i dont know i dont fly much of thier line.
To be honest nerfing T3s will be good for the game, might be bad for me as nanoribbon proces will go down but it will be good for the game. As it stands now the only way T3s create versatility is in what Race T3 do you fly... and even thats limited for fleet warfare. Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
54
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:59:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote: ~snipped Quotes~
Bummer
No1 will use them anymore and I already feel like the trend of making all ships the same and boring, is out of control. Diversity is what keeps a game interesting and fun imo. Nothing wrong with a ship being OP if the cost or time to build puts it back on a level playing field. Caldari can have weak cruisers but above average battle cruisers and Minmater can have strong cruisers but weak battle cruisers. You could then balance a bit by providing more versatility to weaker ships or advantage in slots or something so players can fool around. Would reflect real life military a lot more and would keep things interesting.
As it is after the rebalance all races will end up with basically the same ships with different looks in their arsenal. What is the point in having different races then? I feel like CCP is throwing all the ice cream flavours together to create a single flavour no-one would chase the ice cream truck for.
Then where's my brawling amarrian battleship?... and the apoc doesn't count cuz lazorz v0v
Battleships to me are the strongest 'all around' ship types, with the large number of slots, ehp and dps you can do a lot with them, comparing them in specific circumstances to a different ship type is just totally misunderstanding their role. Sure you can say an AF has a better sig tank and better applied dps but if that AF gets webbed and scrammed down by a small gang of T1 cruisers it's toast, a megathron for example gives not a single **** that it just got webbed and scrammed by 5 T1 cruisers, it doesn't NEED to be in an optimal situation to do well, it has the base stats to handle a wide variety of situations even with the major drawbacks that comes with a big unwieldy hull. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8191
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:04:00 -
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Qweasdy wrote:Radius Prime wrote: ~snipped Quotes~
Bummer
No1 will use them anymore and I already feel like the trend of making all ships the same and boring, is out of control. Diversity is what keeps a game interesting and fun imo. Nothing wrong with a ship being OP if the cost or time to build puts it back on a level playing field. Caldari can have weak cruisers but above average battle cruisers and Minmater can have strong cruisers but weak battle cruisers. You could then balance a bit by providing more versatility to weaker ships or advantage in slots or something so players can fool around. Would reflect real life military a lot more and would keep things interesting.
As it is after the rebalance all races will end up with basically the same ships with different looks in their arsenal. What is the point in having different races then? I feel like CCP is throwing all the ice cream flavours together to create a single flavour no-one would chase the ice cream truck for.
Then where's my brawling amarrian battleship?... and the apoc doesn't count cuz lazorz v0v Did you check out the Armageddon? Also the Apoc isn't too bad, given the tracking bonus. My EVE Videos |
Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
54
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Qweasdy wrote:Radius Prime wrote: ~snipped Quotes~
Bummer
No1 will use them anymore and I already feel like the trend of making all ships the same and boring, is out of control. Diversity is what keeps a game interesting and fun imo. Nothing wrong with a ship being OP if the cost or time to build puts it back on a level playing field. Caldari can have weak cruisers but above average battle cruisers and Minmater can have strong cruisers but weak battle cruisers. You could then balance a bit by providing more versatility to weaker ships or advantage in slots or something so players can fool around. Would reflect real life military a lot more and would keep things interesting.
As it is after the rebalance all races will end up with basically the same ships with different looks in their arsenal. What is the point in having different races then? I feel like CCP is throwing all the ice cream flavours together to create a single flavour no-one would chase the ice cream truck for.
Then where's my brawling amarrian battleship?... and the apoc doesn't count cuz lazorz v0v Did you check out the Armageddon? Also the Apoc isn't too bad, given the tracking bonus.
Yeah I know, that's why I mentioned it, it's nice... but I'd still rather use gallente or caldari with torps for a pure brawling ship. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Qweasdy wrote:Radius Prime wrote: ~snipped Quotes~
Bummer
No1 will use them anymore and I already feel like the trend of making all ships the same and boring, is out of control. Diversity is what keeps a game interesting and fun imo. Nothing wrong with a ship being OP if the cost or time to build puts it back on a level playing field. Caldari can have weak cruisers but above average battle cruisers and Minmater can have strong cruisers but weak battle cruisers. You could then balance a bit by providing more versatility to weaker ships or advantage in slots or something so players can fool around. Would reflect real life military a lot more and would keep things interesting.
As it is after the rebalance all races will end up with basically the same ships with different looks in their arsenal. What is the point in having different races then? I feel like CCP is throwing all the ice cream flavours together to create a single flavour no-one would chase the ice cream truck for.
Then where's my brawling amarrian battleship?... and the apoc doesn't count cuz lazorz v0v Did you check out the Armageddon? Also the Apoc isn't too bad, given the tracking bonus.
Navy Geddon
the T1 Geddon kinda sux these days
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Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
54
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:11:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: Navy Geddon
the T1 Geddon kinda sux these days
Lies horrible lies! Just because you don't have a use for it doesn't mean it sucks. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8191
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:18:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Navy Geddon
the T1 Geddon kinda sux these days
You've got to be kidding me. My EVE Videos |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13509
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Navy Geddon
the T1 Geddon kinda sux these days
You've got to be kidding me.
Well you say that but there's a very obvious alternative explaination.
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