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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 14:32:00 -
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BS are the best ships for pipebombs... |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2875
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Posted - 2014.01.02 14:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arduemont wrote: The mega really is a pretty terrible small gang BS. Your much better of with a Domi, or (optimally) a Hyperion if your going to 1 vs 1. So Inf really has pitched one of the best solo (I prefer the Legion, but I wouldn't say one were that much better than the other) T3s against one of the worst solo Gallente BSs.
Hyperion is a good solo ship but the mega does well in small gangs as it can be very agile and fast for a battleship and packs a massive punch with great tracking. Even before the BS and blaster changes I was roaming around in small gangs of 5 to 15 people.
I've seen wonderful things done with fast agile Battleships, but I just can't get on board with it myself. Never suited me. I think I prefer to be flying something smaller if I want to kite. Also, when I say small gang I usually mean about 5, or less. Since the Talos was added, I can't think of a good enough reason to use a Mega over it's cheaper faster (if significantly squishier) cousin.
It definitely can work, but when I weigh up the options I inevitably end up flying something faster and cheaper that does the same job. But then I am stingy with my fits. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1283
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Posted - 2014.01.02 14:37:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You thought it was badly fitted because you're inexperienced with the Mega. Sitting in blobs with a mega doesn't give you experience.
Your amazing 60 kills in your career , from wich 16 are pods , 4 barges , 2 rookie ships, 4 industrials, 2 shuttles and 5 frigates do not igve you as well much room to talk about your "EXPERIENCE". You clearly are very very bad at PVP. Therefore your capability to annalyse what ship is good or not is incredibly limited. :) Not everything you read on the internet is true. Perhaps check BC instead. Might also be interested to know that data was not always pulled from the API. For 4 or 5 years it wasn't posted unless it was manual posted. You'd have to be stupid to do that. Mega used to be my number one ship for PvP actually. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9717
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Posted - 2014.01.02 14:43:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arduemont wrote: The mega really is a pretty terrible small gang BS. Your much better of with a Domi, or (optimally) a Hyperion if your going to 1 vs 1. So Inf really has pitched one of the best solo (I prefer the Legion, but I wouldn't say one were that much better than the other) T3s against one of the worst solo Gallente BSs.
Hyperion is a good solo ship but the mega does well in small gangs as it can be very agile and fast for a battleship and packs a massive punch with great tracking. Even before the BS and blaster changes I was roaming around in small gangs of 5 to 15 people. I've seen wonderful things done with fast agile Battleships, but I just can't get on board with it myself. Never suited me. I think I prefer to be flying something smaller if I want to kite. Also, when I say small gang I usually mean about 5, or less. Since the Talos was added, I can't think of a good enough reason to use a Mega over it's cheaper faster (if significantly squishier) cousin. It definitely can work, but when I weigh up the options I inevitably end up flying something faster and cheaper that does the same job. But then I am stingy with my fits.
More tank, much bigger dronebay, better adaptability and the mass is very handy to have. Talos is a very fine ship cor small gangs but the mega does hold advantages over it. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Bel Tika
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's
199
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Posted - 2014.01.02 14:49:00 -
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I bought n fitted a Standard Raven, i undocked flew to next system picked a skill book up, did a coupla missions, and have not used it since, dont know if i was just used to sitting in missions with 2x Drake back to back ripping things apart, but well my first experience in BS has put me of them, i refuse to buy the navy or pirate versions just now, maybe when i know the game better or have hell lot more ISK
In meantime i decided to divert 1 character to go full drones an gila/ishtar an other to tengu, hopefully i'll have as much fun in them as i did in the drakes |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1283
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Posted - 2014.01.02 14:49:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:I think a lot of this debate is around other ships....
I don't really think BS's are too weak.
I think T3's and certain other specific smaller ships (Ishtar comes to mind) are too strong and need to be nerfed. Nah its not that they are too weak. Its that they have been crippled by successive buffs to smaller ships over a 10 year period. If you do a proper comparison instead of the Baltec "they're fine because I kill people with them when I'm blobbing a gate" its clear they're not fine. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9718
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:00:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:I think a lot of this debate is around other ships....
I don't really think BS's are too weak.
I think T3's and certain other specific smaller ships (Ishtar comes to mind) are too strong and need to be nerfed. Nah its not that they are too weak. Its that they have been crippled by successive buffs to smaller ships over a 10 year period. If you do a proper comparison instead of the Baltec "they're fine because I kill people with them when I'm blobbing a gate" its clear they're not fine.
5 to 15 man gangs is now blobbing. Solo ravens are also now blobbing. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
979
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:00:00 -
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Cause RP. a++ püń Gůň_Gůň a++püń [TALOCAN STUFF] |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4101
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:02:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:I think a lot of this debate is around other ships....
I don't really think BS's are too weak.
I think T3's and certain other specific smaller ships (Ishtar comes to mind) are too strong and need to be nerfed. Nah its not that they are too weak. Its that they have been crippled by successive buffs to smaller ships over a 10 year period. If you do a proper comparison instead of the Baltec "they're fine because I kill people with them when I'm blobbing a gate" its clear they're not fine.
As with most of the opinions I've seen you have here, this one is very short sighted. Battleships (like local, cloaks, timers and all the other things you complain about) exist the way they do for very good reasons, reasons you always fail to take into account.
Battleships are the way they are now because if they were stronger as individual ships, no one would fly anything else. I sure as hell wouldn't. As it is now, if you want cruiser speed you use a cruiser, if you want BC lock times you use a BC, if you want to truly "solo" you use a smaller faster ship, BS are better in gangs/fleets with support etc etc.
Your opinions tend towards "Infinity wants so it's good" (and then you try to rationalize things to get them to fit).
Quite frankly,if the question is "who should we listen to", if the choice is the goon guy who is FAMOUS for flying megathrons (to the point of having an official fleet composition named after him) or the guy who shield tanks a proteus...well, Baltec wins.
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Arduemont
The State of War.
2875
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:07:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: As with most of the opinions I've seen you have here, this one is very short sighted. Battleships (like local, cloaks, timers and all the other things you complain about) exist the way they do for very good reasons, reasons you always fail to take into account.
Battleships are the way they are now because if they were stronger as individual ships, no one would fly anything else. I sure as hell wouldn't. As it is now, if you want cruiser speed you use a cruiser, if you want BC lock times you use a BC, if you want to truly "solo" you use a smaller faster ship, BS are better in gangs/fleets with support etc etc.
Your opinions tend towards "Infinity wants so it's good" (and then you try to rationalize things to get them to fit).
Quite frankly,if the question is "who should we listen to", if the choice is the goon guy who is FAMOUS for flying megathrons (to the point of having an official fleet composition named after him) or the guy who shield tanks a proteus...well, Baltec wins.
Ughh.... I hate agreeing with Jenn. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Giuseppe R Raimondo
Lowsey Pirates Inc. Easily Excited
15
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:07:00 -
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Well main reason i use tbe becuase they keep there full tank even when webbed. And webs are to be expected to be in pvp |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4102
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:34:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: As with most of the opinions I've seen you have here, this one is very short sighted. Battleships (like local, cloaks, timers and all the other things you complain about) exist the way they do for very good reasons, reasons you always fail to take into account.
Battleships are the way they are now because if they were stronger as individual ships, no one would fly anything else. I sure as hell wouldn't. As it is now, if you want cruiser speed you use a cruiser, if you want BC lock times you use a BC, if you want to truly "solo" you use a smaller faster ship, BS are better in gangs/fleets with support etc etc.
Your opinions tend towards "Infinity wants so it's good" (and then you try to rationalize things to get them to fit).
Quite frankly,if the question is "who should we listen to", if the choice is the goon guy who is FAMOUS for flying megathrons (to the point of having an official fleet composition named after him) or the guy who shield tanks a proteus...well, Baltec wins.
Ughh.... I hate agreeing with Jenn.
ugg, i change my mind, Infinity is right...lol J/K.
Maybe we can get CCP to don't some WiBM (Walking in Baltec's Megathron)
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
996
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:44:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You thought it was badly fitted because you're inexperienced with the Mega. Sitting in blobs with a mega doesn't give you experience.
Your amazing 60 kills in your career , from wich 16 are pods , 4 barges , 2 rookie ships, 4 industrials, 2 shuttles and 5 frigates do not igve you as well much room to talk about your "EXPERIENCE". You clearly are very very bad at PVP. Therefore your capability to annalyse what ship is good or not is incredibly limited. :) Not everything you read on the internet is true. Perhaps check BC instead. Might also be interested to know that data was not always pulled from the API. For 4 or 5 years it wasn't posted unless it was manual posted. You'd have to be stupid to do that. Mega used to be my number one ship for PvP actually.
You think I do not know that? I myself have another 300 kills that could be added from before the API, but they are from a time when eve was different and that past experience means little now.
Yet, your realization do not support you as an active PVPer on these ships on the current metagame. If you a battleship agaisnt the wrong target, you will have bad results.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Deunan Tenephais
59
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:46:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:the goon guy who is FAMOUS for flying megathrons (to the point of having an official fleet composition named after him) And does he have some tips to share about mega fitting/piloting ? Because last time I used mine It felt a little underwhelming, so probably I do something wrong but I don't know what. For example, does the mega need a specific Weapons Upgrade level to start showing its usefulness and if yes then why ? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9720
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:11:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:the goon guy who is FAMOUS for flying megathrons (to the point of having an official fleet composition named after him) And does he have some tips to share about mega fitting/piloting ? Because last time I used mine It felt a little underwhelming, so probably I do something wrong but I don't know what. For example, does the mega need a specific Weapons Upgrade level to start showing its usefulness and if yes then why ?
The most important thing is practice. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Praxis Ginimic
Vessels of the Line Bask of Fail
735
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:12:00 -
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If you trained [insert ship name here] before AWU V then go back and train AWU V now. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
996
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:36:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:If you trained [insert ship name here] before AWU V then go back and train AWU V now.
with obvious exception of haulers :P "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Mr Pragmatic
871
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:45:00 -
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DPS, range, tank.
Battleships are slow? Meet the MWD. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Deunan Tenephais
59
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The most important thing is practice. Sooo, I will wait to have a little more income before really flying it, just in case I have to replace it after things happen during "practice".
Praxis Ginimic wrote:If you trained [insert ship name here] before AWU V then go back and train AWU V now. What, everyone must absolutely aim for a maraudeur, it's the new hype ? You're a hobo if you don't have one ? |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
996
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Posted - 2014.01.02 16:52:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:baltec1 wrote:The most important thing is practice. Sooo, I will wait to have a little more income before really flying it, just in case I have to replace it after things happen during "practice". Praxis Ginimic wrote:If you trained [insert ship name here] before AWU V then go back and train AWU V now. What, everyone must absolutely aim for a maraudeur, it's the new hype ? You're a hobo if you don't have one ?
Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.
Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6041
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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:19:00 -
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Now let's consider why people fly SB ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4103
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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Now let's consider why people fly SB
Dyslexia
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Deunan Tenephais
59
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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:42:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.
Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones. You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo.
And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
1101
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:58:00 -
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Hm, I actually love BS in the right situations, it's just that I find myself in these situations rarely. Couldn't imagine the game without the BS class though. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1640
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:04:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: No. This is so wrong lol. A cruiser fleet will rip a battleship fleet apart. If its T3 cruisers
I said cruisers. T3 strategic cruisers are in their own category, as are hacs. I would consider T3's to be closer to a hac than a regular cruiser. Anyway I beg to differ. I've seen some tengu fleets ripped apart by apocs and rokhs. While I agree with some of your points, especially that T3 have much better resists, smaller sig radius, etc, when was the last time you hit for 14k with a legion? |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
674
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:10:00 -
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Marauders are distilled win in a spaceship hull. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3399
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:12:00 -
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Battleships have a clearly defined role, and it isn't solo. They're used when what you need is a lot of firepower and a lot of EHP massed in one location. They're most effective in medium sized gangs to fleets, and very good at what they do. |
Mariner6
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
190
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:13:00 -
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I really used to enjoy flying BS's due to the high tank and ability to really manage a lot of different aspects of the ship such as cap, reps, ewar, neuts, flights of drones, shooting etc all at once. You also have to think ahead a lot more with a BS due to the time it takes to align and how the battle space is progressing. (I'm talking more small gang stuff here not big F1 fleet stuff.) Probably why the Domi has always been a favorite of mine. While some of these options exist in the smaller ships I find with the BS you tend to live long enough to really fight the entirety of the ship.
But honestly, since the warp speed changes...my enjoyment of these ships have plummeted. If the fight is 1-2 hops away I'll still jump in one but otherwise staring at the screen for minutes watching the ship warp bores me to death. So I just don't enjoy it much anymore. My time is limited, I'm not going a long ways looking for a fight in null anymore in something so slow.
Sad really.
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Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
19
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:02:00 -
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Deunan Tenephais wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.
Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones. You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo. And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded.
Have to agree with this. This is my exact experience as well. I've been trying to fit my Rokh to do level 4s, but so far I haven't been able to get it to any decent dps using hybrid rails. My BC Ferox does almost the same dps as a full fitted Rokh in EFT. So for now I'm sticking to doing level 3s since I'm clearly doing something wrong, or trying to get the wrong ship (Rokh) ready to do level 4s, it might not be possible at all, and I might have to accept that all my hybrid turret training has been a waste and I should start over in missiles and get a Navy Raven. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8058
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:26:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Deunan Tenephais wrote:baltec1 wrote:The most important thing is practice. Sooo, I will wait to have a little more income before really flying it, just in case I have to replace it after things happen during "practice". Praxis Ginimic wrote:If you trained [insert ship name here] before AWU V then go back and train AWU V now. What, everyone must absolutely aim for a maraudeur, it's the new hype ? You're a hobo if you don't have one ? Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship. Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP I'll second this about AWU V being required, not only for battleships but pretty much any ship. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
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