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SunWuKong
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:28:00 -
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With all these drone skills, has the ENYO dropped in meanness compared to other assault ships and other drone carrying ships?? Or has it now just been fitted more tightly in its own role as a ship?
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:30:00 -
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uhm. the enyo isn't a drone carrier.
JUST GET THE **** OFF MY SIG, K? |
Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: SunWuKong With all these drone skills, has the ENYO dropped in meanness compared to other assault ships and other drone carrying ships?? Or has it now just been fitted more tightly in its own role as a ship?
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Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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SunWuKong
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:35:00 -
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Clarification: other assault ships, OR ships that carry drones.
(I know it is not a drone carrying ship). My point is, now that these drone skills have been added, making ships that specialize in them even better, how much has that dropped the uberness of the ENYO? (though the ENYO can hold one drone which may be effective if carrying an EW drone).
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:37:00 -
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it hasn't really made a difference
JUST GET THE **** OFF MY SIG, K? |
Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: SunWuKong Clarification: other assault ships, OR ships that carry drones.
(I know it is not a drone carrying ship). My point is, now that these drone skills have been added, making ships that specialize in them even better, how much has that dropped the uberness of the ENYO? (though the ENYO can hold one drone which may be effective if carrying an EW drone).
erm... first, enyo is not a drone boat, it's a gunboat.
second, because of the round up stuff, enyo's bay wasn't nerfed (was 5m3 before RMR and it still is 5m3).
third, Enyo is still a good ship in gang pvp situations. ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Norvys Kerens
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 15/03/2006 20:43:07
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Dheen Heph
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dheen Heph on 15/03/2006 21:41:28 Montero, Grimpak.. you are not understanding the question...
To the OP: No, I don't find that post-RMR the increased drone strengths has put the Enyo to any disadvantage. Still fills its role as a gunboat very well.
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SunWuKong
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dheen Heph Edited by: Dheen Heph on 15/03/2006 21:41:28 Montero, Grimpak.. you are not understanding the question...
To the OP: No, I don't find that post-RMR the increased drone strengths has put the Enyo to any disadvantage. Still fills its role as a gunboat very well.
Thank you thank you thank you. My mother tongue is English and I was hard pressed how to make this any clearer.
Everyone has been posting how much better the Ishkur is for example because of the drone improvements. And I wanted to make sure that the ENYO wasn't left in the dust because of these updates.
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:09:00 -
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YES THE ENYO IS NERFED, PLEASE DONT FLY OR BUY 1
(let the prices go down )
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666 YES THE ENYO IS NERFED, PLEASE DONT FLY OR BUY 1
(let the prices go down )
signed
repac > escrow > wierchas noobhunter ( for 0.0 isk ) thx
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Ricky Baby
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:26:00 -
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yes it has been left behind, its now only the 2nd best AF in the game ------------------------ Atomic Battle Penguins - Mercs for hire |
Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.15 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ricky Baby yes it has been left behind, its now only the 2nd best AF in the game
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Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.03.16 01:32:00 -
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AFAIK the Enyo is the ship I usualy undock with in PVP when something bigger or more independant/versitile isn't required.
One thing folks need to stop doing when thinking about a ship, is stop comparing it to every other ship in it's class in a 1v1 situation, and assume that if it sucks in 1v1, it isn't worth the isk.
If that was the case, the megathron wouldn't be used by anyone for anything cept mining and ratting...
With a few exceptions "almost" all ships of each race have a niche they can fit into well and do as well if not better than everyone else.
In the case of the enyo, it is IMHO the AF equivalent to the megathron in a lot of ways. As it is IMHO most suited to smallish roaming gangs and larger fleets (say 3 ships or more for optimal results).
The enyo is a superb alpha strike frigate in every respect, in one volley it can do very serious damage with most of it's better setups, has the speed of a slower frig and ability to evade 90% of what it can't kill with little hesitation, making it a great little high impact raider at all ranges under 20KM (you ARE using a 20KM scrambler arn't you?).
The Ishkur while also a damn fine ship, does what it does in ways that are IMHO counter productive to what makes frigates most effective (Ie besides just as tacklers). That is, frigates should be highly mobile, not just fast an agile and able to slap on a perfect tackle... and while the ishkur has the better fitting capabilities of the two, and it's drones can make it do the most damage of the two, and still tank like a charm... The drones, especialy thanks to the docking bug, make the ishkur a very poor fast moving gang ship, and unless your really loaded and have a good stockpile, the idea of leaving behind five TII drones that may have cost you 5 mil ISK or more alone, might be enough to cause you to hesitate just a second or two longer when you should be warping the hell out... Causing you to lose both your drones, AND your ship. Not counting how often you will find yourself sepperated from the gang, or being forced to leave your drones behind because they need to chase down a target.
The Enyo doesn't have that concern because at worst all your losing is one TII light drone if you have to flee on short notice. but still delivers more than enough damage to be a serious killer, and still tank well enough to be competative.
So the ishkurs drones while elevating the ishkur into one badass ship, also neuter it because it can't do (as easily) what a frigate needs to be good at doing... Getting in, getting it done, and getting the hell out.
Consider also that the ishkur is almost always found with a very predictable Nosishkur+ plate + drones setup, and figuring out how to fit an ishkur killing setup, or at least one that allows you to not die to it isn't rocket science...
It takes time for even TECH II light drones to reach a target, time to unload them even, time to assign the target, all things which complicate the ishkurs task of getting the kill, and if it's fit for short range with nos and plate, thats all he has... and he's almost asurredly slower than you too... all you have to do is snipe him, and if you can't bust his tank before he busts yers, then travel the few Meters to the edge of his scrambler and warp the hell out... making sure to try and take out a few of his drones along the way...
If you kill even one of his TII drones and get away, you have already cost him more than he cost you, and he will be that much weaker on his next encouter...
Ishkur again, great ship, but isn't nescessarily better than the enyo at all, I like them both, and fly them both, but the enyo for all it's rumored weakness, has a very very special place in my heart, which the ishkur for all it's capabilities just has a harder time filling.
So the moral of this long story is, just because it can pwn 1v1, doesn't make it a good PVP ship... It's just not that simple. Nor i hope ever will be.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.03.16 01:43:00 -
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The Enyo remains a strong AF.
The ishkur is now overpowered numerically compared to all the other AFs, but in reality isn't obviously a better choice due the inconvenience of using drones.
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.03.16 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vishnej The Enyo remains a strong AF.
The ishkur is now overpowered numerically compared to all the other AFs, but in reality isn't obviously a better choice due the inconvenience of using drones.
I can still cut through them like a knife through hot butter in my retribution.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.16 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Vishnej The Enyo remains a strong AF.
The ishkur is now overpowered numerically compared to all the other AFs, but in reality isn't obviously a better choice due the inconvenience of using drones.
I can still cut through them like a knife through hot butter in my retribution.
chance of outdamaging an ishkur: High, chance of keeping it there : Nil ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.03.16 04:32:00 -
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Well I can agree with that, but I hardly fly solo; and watching your hp go down so high usually means a panic reaction in most people; plus if they run they will likely end up losing half their firepower.
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Kyo Kuno
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Posted - 2006.03.16 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Vishnej The Enyo remains a strong AF.
The ishkur is now overpowered numerically compared to all the other AFs, but in reality isn't obviously a better choice due the inconvenience of using drones.
I can still cut through them like a knife through hot butter in my retribution.
Good to hear Aeaus, I was worrying about Amarr ships.
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.03.16 07:53:00 -
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I still like the Enyo alot, drones may be considered uber but they're a biarch to use
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Akkarin Pagan
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Posted - 2006.03.16 08:25:00 -
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My corp recently joined an Alliance (post rmr) and one of my corp mates uses his Enyo to tank NPC battleships, while those of us with cruisers or battle cruisers bring it down. He has also tanked the drone hive mother in a 5 of 10 complex while in the Enyo, so the BS were free to rip her to shreds!
If this ship is under powered, then I need to get my hands on a Ishkur! (except I hate using drones, and forget to launch them half the time!)
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Rhuu
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: SunWuKong And I wanted to make sure that the ENYO wasn't left in the dust because of these updates.
The enyo is getting a boost in the upcoming update--It is one of two assault frigates that are benefiting from the edited tracking bonus.
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Adelai Niska
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rhuu
Originally by: SunWuKong And I wanted to make sure that the ENYO wasn't left in the dust because of these updates.
The enyo is getting a boost in the upcoming update--It is one of two assault frigates that are benefiting from the edited tracking bonus.
Linkage please?
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:40:00 -
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Theres no situation where an Enyo would be of benefit over another ship. I've flown the ship quite a bit, and I can honestly say it is lacking, maybe its the 2 mid slots that make me cringe, but the ship is simply horrible.
It gets points for being the best looking though, it looks evil when its fitted with a bunch of railguns :P -----
Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. |
Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Adelai Niska
Originally by: Rhuu
Originally by: SunWuKong And I wanted to make sure that the ENYO wasn't left in the dust because of these updates.
The enyo is getting a boost in the upcoming update--It is one of two assault frigates that are benefiting from the edited tracking bonus.
Linkage please?
All tracking bonuses are increased from 5%/level to 7.5%/level.
And the enyo sucks just like all AFs not named "ishkur" or "retribution."
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:01:00 -
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they enyo sucks? Thats news to me. ---------------------- O Snapz! |
Jaeuhl
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Posted - 2006.03.18 09:02:00 -
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It almost sounds as if that drones are completely ignored...it is very possible to take out the ishkur's drones utterly crippling an entire AF bonus, you can't destory an enyo's turrets and slow it's RoF/Dps any.
Yes I've seen the ishkur and it's amazing what someone with good drone skills can do and yes i've seen the enyo and it's amazing what it can do with good gunnary skills. If for anything, the gallente AF's at least have 2 solid AF's where as every other faction has 1 excellent AF and one mediocre AF.
Now if they started making named t2 drones that the ishkur could carry I might have something to say about that...
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.03.18 09:41:00 -
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I did some testing with a corpmate. From a 18km start an Enyo with spike (or javelin, the high-damage T2 ammo for rails) got my Ishkur to 20% armour before the Ishkur got into blaster-range (I was using an MWD).
As far as I'm concerned, the Enyo is still a good frigate and the drone changes haven't affected it much at all except for making the Ishkur the definitive solo Gallente AF and the Enyo cementing it's place as the definitive Gallente AF for groups).
The Enyo isn't worse because of the changes, none of the AF are. It's just that the Ishkur has improved and so comparitively the Enyo appears worse despite being just as good as it was before drone changes
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Josclyn Verreuil
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jaeuhl It almost sounds as if that drones are completely ignored...it is very possible to take out the ishkur's drones utterly crippling an entire AF bonus, you can't destory an enyo's turrets and slow it's RoF/Dps any.
Yes I've seen the ishkur and it's amazing what someone with good drone skills can do and yes i've seen the enyo and it's amazing what it can do with good gunnary skills. If for anything, the gallente AF's at least have 2 solid AF's where as every other faction has 1 excellent AF and one mediocre AF.
Now if they started making named t2 drones that the ishkur could carry I might have something to say about that...
Last time I checked the Ishkur has a damage bonus too, and 3 turret slots. It can do a solid 75% of the effective dps of an enyo before considering drones, if propperly set up. The enyo might have the tracking advantage, but it's not like the Ishkur's turret dmg output is negligible.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666 YES THE ENYO IS NERFED, PLEASE DONT FLY OR BUY 1
(let the prices go down )
That Iron Maiden based sig is the coolest thing ever.
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