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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:49:00 -
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Very simple proposal, set the default drone behavior to "Passive" instead of "Aggressive" and warn the player of the potential consequences (unintended PvP) if he changes the setting to Aggressive.
Also would be nice to explain to new players how the aggressive drones loophole works, but that just would be too bad for brave Pevepeers so I don't count on it. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8766
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:15:00 -
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Does Eve really need more pop up warning screens?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1090
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:30:00 -
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In my 8 years I've done missions in hisec from time to time. The number of times I've had someone come into my mission (in hisec) has been exactly 0. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3205
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:55:00 -
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Batelle wrote:In my 8 years I've done missions in hisec from time to time. The number of times I've had someone come into my mission (in hisec) has been exactly 0.
In my 5 years I've done in excess of 1,500 missions and have been bothered by a ninja thieve exactly once.
But once upon a time, I lost a miner ship to a PvP who exploited the agressive drones loophole, and I just needed 8 messages back and forth with a GM to clarify WTF had happened.
Now PvP are abusing the loophole again and maybe it's time CCP warns the new palyers that their default drone setting (CCP's, not something the player did) may cause them trouble. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
HiddenPorpoise
BG-1 The Craniac
139
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:36:00 -
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I'd rather the drones actually tell me their current settings. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
849
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:43:00 -
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Default to passive sounds fair. As does a better explanation of what passive & aggressive actually mean. I don't think we need a pop up of 'If you set drones to aggressive someone may use tricks to be allowed to shoot you' But right now, drones are not obedient to their settings sometimes anyway, and drones settings aren't intuitive, so more information on that wouldn't hurt. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
831
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:32:00 -
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drones shouldn't attack other players if safety is set to green. Isn't that how they already work? Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Seranova Farreach
592
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:23:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:drones shouldn't attack other players if safety is set to green. Isn't that how they already work? nowp. they will attack anyway _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
853
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:37:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:drones shouldn't attack other players if safety is set to green. Isn't that how they already work? Green only stops you from doing illegal activities. Hence the big misunderstanding of game mechanics with default settings.
Aggressive drones will attack a valid target that 'aggresses' you. If someone shoots a mobile structure, they go suspect but it gets treated as if they aggressed you. So your drones will shoot them since it is now legal to shoot them so a green safety allows it, and they are by default on aggressive. Meaning they can then shoot you legally.
Meaning they gank you since they are in a blinged out PvP T3 while you are in a PvE ship. |
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service.
77
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Posted - 2014.01.03 02:43:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Does Eve really need more pop up warning screens?
Are you sure that you want to turn off the warning for turning off the warning for turning off the warning for the safety settings that have another safety warning for the warning that includes your Modal Small Focused Pulse Laser I? |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
853
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:33:00 -
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It's one thing to have pop ups to prevent stupidity. It's another to have people able to be ganked because the game mechanics aren't obvious. Stupid people can die. People who don't understand game mechanics shouldn't be getting abused by pirates for free kills. The second group are the ones who should be protected. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
165
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Posted - 2014.01.03 06:42:00 -
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Batelle wrote:In my 8 years I've done missions in hisec from time to time. The number of times I've had someone come into my mission (in hisec) has been exactly 0. It really depends on where you fly your missions. |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
708
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Posted - 2014.01.03 10:30:00 -
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Indeed, I've had it happen many times when missioning near Dodi... but missioning sucks and I haven't done that in a while |
Shantetha
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:15:00 -
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With the crimewatch changes your drones consider suspects valid targets if the drones are set to aggressive. To bait a mission runner into limited engagement timer fly up steal wreck, then lock up mission runner wait till drones shoot you.
They need to adjust the drone passive/aggressive settings to limit baiting engagements, and better follow the red/yellow/green button.
edit: Sigh draft dumped half my comment. |
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