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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:57:00 -
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The 8th Council of Stellar Management (CSM8) and CCP had their first scheduled summit in late August, 2013. A wide variety of topics were discussed during the summit in Reykjavik, and the detailed meeting minutes are finally published.
Read the devblog by CCP Dolan for a quick overview; alternatively you are welcome to dive directly into the meeting minutes!
Special thanks go to the CSM! CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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Nicen Jehr
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:10:00 -
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GJ CSM8 + CCP it was nice to see your pics in the collectors edition :) Little Things to improve GëíGïüGëí-á| My Little Things posts |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:11:00 -
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Yes its out.
Typos:
First page: CSM in last paragraph should be CPM
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
Ali Aras
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:13:00 -
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HALLELUJIAH THANK GOD. Bracing myself for mad comments about minutes contents in 3...2...1...
Regarding the comment about minutes overhauls, please discuss that in this JPSC thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4044214#post4044214 . It covers a conversation we had with CCP Dolan on-air on a G+ hangout and some interesting discussion afterwards. Please, please, please post there-- this is your chance to have a direct effect on how you are represented to CCP. http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:20:00 -
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Heyo, minutes are finally out, now to start posting stuff about the next summit :) CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Xander Phoena
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
280
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:21:00 -
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About time guys! Least now I know what I'll be doing tomorrow... www.crossingzebras.com |
Schmata Bastanold
The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:22:00 -
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I'm already excited about next Christmas and minutes from CSM8 2nd summit. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
10752
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:25:00 -
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Will be an interesting read.
/c
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:30:00 -
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THEY'RE FAKES!
SEND ME A RANDOM AMOUNT OF ISK IN GAME WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AS THE REASON AND I WILL EMAIL YOU THE REAL MINUTES
SEE WHAT CCP ARE COVERING UP
DO IT FAST BEFORE THIS MESSAGE GETS DELETED
1 Kings 12:11
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:34:00 -
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I enjoyed that Ripard's paranoia about the goonswarm menace made it into the minutes, twice. "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:37:00 -
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It's a scam! Everyone knows CCP never publishes minutes :P
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1646
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:38:00 -
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i will read them comment. though glad its out now... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:38:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:I enjoyed that Ripard's paranoia about the goonswarm menace made it into the minutes, twice.
Please try and keep up - Ripard is the mindlessly obedient tool of the Goon nullsec cartel this week.
1 Kings 12:11
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:44:00 -
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On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof.
How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years?
How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years?
Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE?
Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest.
If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.
And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often.
That's pathetic.
I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:53:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often. That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave.
We actually have a pretty nuts amount of data on what "engagement" means (which I cut all mention of out of the minutes, because NDA, muahahahahah). Long story short is that all of those things are "engagement" that we measure. It may have gotten lost on my cutting room floor, but the whole idea is "what are things that people who stick around for a long time and help contribute to the universe like to do". People who post, mine, PvE, manufacture, etc. all fit that idea of "engagement".
Heck, check out my old KB, for a while pretty much all I did was post, and I considered myself to be a pretty engaged player.
CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1646
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:57:00 -
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dolan it showd you being present and talking with the balance people.
does this mean you are semi a balance guy... or is it more rise and fozz and the french dude (we love you frenchy) bounce ideas off of you cuss you are a comunity guy? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
831
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:00:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: dolan it showd you being present and talking with the balance people.
does this mean you are semi a balance guy... or is it more rise and fozz and the french dude (we love you frenchy) bounce ideas off of you cuss you are a comunity guy?
It's more that I hang out with Rise and Fozzie a lot (tourny crew 4 lyfe) and we talk shop. If there was a community session and they were just chilling there, they would have likely had lots of input as well. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3205
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:01:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often. That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave. We actually have a pretty nuts amount of data on what "engagement" means (which I cut all mention of out of the minutes, because NDA, muahahahahah). Long story short is that all of those things are "engagement" that we measure. It may have gotten lost on my cutting room floor, but the whole idea is "what are things that people who stick around for a long time and help contribute to the universe like to do". People who post, mine, PvE, manufacture, etc. all fit that idea of "engagement". Heck, check out my old KB, for a while pretty much all I did was post, and I considered myself to be a pretty engaged player.
Thanks for the clarification, I was pretty upset about that thing (and I readed the minutes' section three times before posting here, because I am... huh... engaged about them). The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
831
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:09:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often. That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave. We actually have a pretty nuts amount of data on what "engagement" means (which I cut all mention of out of the minutes, because NDA, muahahahahah). Long story short is that all of those things are "engagement" that we measure. It may have gotten lost on my cutting room floor, but the whole idea is "what are things that people who stick around for a long time and help contribute to the universe like to do". People who post, mine, PvE, manufacture, etc. all fit that idea of "engagement". Heck, check out my old KB, for a while pretty much all I did was post, and I considered myself to be a pretty engaged player. Thanks for the clarification, I was pretty upset about that thing (and I readed the minutes' section three times before posting here, because I am... huh... engaged about them).
That's the thing, if you do a lot of stuff in the EVE Universe (talking to people, doing stuff in space, making stuff) you are pretty engaged. The important part is finding out what engages people, like if someone is running missions for 3 hours every day, are they running them to get the most bling ship possible, they are part of a missioning corp, etc. Knowing why people like to play lets us work on making those things better and improving things that tend to drive people away.
CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
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Eigenvalue
Suay Tii Suk Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:12:00 -
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Disappointed there's only one mention of POS'es still being broken. The idea that they only impact a small number of players is absurd. They only impact a small number of players BECAUSE THEY ARE BROKEN.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:15:00 -
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I, for one, am absolutely outraged
I will decide just what I'm angry about after reading the document
But CSM8 should feel ashamed about whatever it's going to be |
Schmata Bastanold
The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun
1222
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:16:00 -
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Heh, I like UI session outcome: you agreed that something has to be done and best way to do it is to never actually make it done because ship rebalancing already set the precedent for neverending story and people are happy about it.
Why HUD has to be docked at edge of the screen? Why I cannot fiddle with overview settings when docked? Why fit added to market quickbar doesn't contain ship too or at least some info about ship like name of hull in brackets or sth? Why d-scan angle slider steps are not equal for each "X degrees" setting? Why d-scan is in same window as probes scanning interface? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ali Aras
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
461
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:18:00 -
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Ah, I think you're misreading that one-- something has to be done, something should be done, and it should be a multi-expansion graduated process so everyone can get benefit quickly, with the end goal of probably everything will be different (or at least rethought). At which point, more work will *still* need to be done.
That kind of stuff is a good question, and it's exactly the kind of stuff this process is intended to address. http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13444
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:20:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often. That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave.
How about calling you "not engaged" because you've repeatedly stated in the plainest terms that you're not interested in what EVE has to offer and you're only here until the day Star Citizen launches?
1 Kings 12:11
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Nicen Jehr
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
314
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:27:00 -
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project 2 is replacing local and dscan with an intel system that requires gameplay Little Things to improve GëíGïüGëí-á| My Little Things posts |
Schmata Bastanold
The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun
1222
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:31:00 -
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When was last really visible UI change done? Brackets, targets, effects bar - it was all Inferno, followed by info panels in Retribution. Don't tell me that fixing slider on d-scan or unlocking HUD from edges of the screen would take more than 1 year of work. Gradual progres? Of course! But let us actually see that progress not only "we talk, we have ideas, nobody works on it".
UI is important for everybody from 1 minute newbie to 10 years vet. Making it easy and fun to use should be equal to ship rebalancing efforts not always at back burner waiting for CCP karkur to get bored and do her usual awesome stuff.
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3205
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:35:00 -
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Admittedly, I am parsing and fast-reading for juicy bits... but found another one I read fully.
On the Team Kuromaku meeting and PvE:
Ghost sites are an instance of something that's wrong with PvE, namely, rewards are locked by system security. Having a 100% certainty that I will never find anything worth my skills, my ships and my experience, means that I am 100% sure to not waste time on ghost sites unless i am really bored and want first-hand experience to tell how pointless is to propose a veteran player to waste time in an activity that rewards him less than mining a rock (the whole hisec exploration suffers this, btw).
I don't care if the chances of getting a wormhole-grade reward in hisec were 1% of those of wormhole space -as long as they are higher than 0. Ghost sites who only drop crap in high security space (MY 5 YEARS HOME) are an insult to my inteligence, my skills, money and experience. Telling me that I should go elsewhere is not a sandbox, but arrogance.
About the possibility of new PvE, more challenging, it will be welcome as long as it comes on top of the current content instead of replacing it. If I lose a billion ISK ship in a challenging PvE content, I will need to recoup that loss by farming L4s, not by risking yet another ship into yet another one-size-fits-all challenging PvE.
Also, in terms of "challenge", the new anti-drone AI is a PITA, not a challenge, specially when you're flying a drone ship and the new anti-drone AI means that you're privileged with having your weapons destroyed by NPCs so you better fly a missile boat or a turrets boat. Tinkering with NPC AI should not be the *only* challenge.
Also, the main problem with the current missiosn is that they're completely charted territory, beaten and traversed in every way for literally years. New missions, even without any other fancies, would keep the content fresher. I am aware that novelty always wears off faster than it can be produced (also are other issues like code maintenance), but there should be a middle point between having a "mission of the week" and "let's celebrate Gone Berserk's 7th anniversary by running it the 700th time".
Last but not least, player-generated and player-driven PvE should be given some thought. There is nothing more challenging and less farmable than what a player set up for his own goals -but again, on top of the existing missions, not replacing them.
We need MORE PvE not just "ITERATED" PvE. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:44:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often. That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave. How about calling you "not engaged" because you've repeatedly stated in the plainest terms that you're not interested in what EVE has to offer and you're only here until the day Star Citizen launches?
The notorious fact that I am not interested in "what EVE has to offer according to CSM Malcanis" doesn't means that I am not interested in getting more of what EVE currently offers to me, or even getting something of what EVE used to be meant to offer and "others" aim to deliver.
By the way, your "Play this way or go away" mentality is a plague in EVE. I wonder if CCP devs are inmune to it... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2749
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Posted - 2014.01.02 22:50:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:On the player retention thing, I will point out that measuring "engagement" by measuring wether a player reached or don't an arbitrary milestone ingame is not exactly failproof. How engaged is someone who only runs missions, but has run in excess of 1,500 missions over 5 years? How engaged is someone who only mines rocks, but has done it for years upon years? Is it engagement enough to write in excess of 400 posts at the forums each month? Spend like 20 hours a week writing and reading about EVE? Of all the silly things CCP ever did to me, calling me "not engaged" because I never went to null or reached some other random milestone ingame may be of the silliest. If I was not engaged, Dr Whatsyourname, I would not have given in excess of 1,000 euros to your company.And now it turns I am not even deemed worthy of keeping as a customer because "I am not engaged enough" and my kind leaves too often. That's pathetic. I have a suggestion. If most people will not cross the social wall, or will not enter the sandbox nor miss it... have a revolutionary idea, free of charge: deliver them exactly what they want with a EVE twist rather than shake your head and say "too bad, they weren't engaged enough" as they leave.
You mention reading and posting on the forums a lot. I would guess that'd be one thing that sets you apart from other players with an otherwise similar in-game profile who flame out and leave due to lack of engagement. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1647
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:12:00 -
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And ccp rise noted that pve is the main thing people do in eve... interesting There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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