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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6085
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:03:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Aiwha wrote:Even without drone assist slowcats are pretty much the only thing that has a chance of countering the BoBlob that the CFC has become. We can't field more people, so we have to field better people. Better people fly massively tanked ships that require little input other than "launch drone, assist". The assist part is not at all because that gives you perfect alpha and ignores your ship's targeting drawbacks, it's so you can post on GD about how terrible skilless blobbers we are. It probably also works as a force multiplier as it is clearly a lot easier to multibox a bunch of drone assist ships with your alts than something that requires a bit more attention. Yeah. Real elite pvp involves using many ships at the same time. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
535
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:57:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Silvetica Dian wrote:as a side note not every thread needs to be metagamed into the goon/n3 war needs. the guy asked a simple question and for once it wasn't one of the normal 5 topics. he was asking about a wrecking ball fleet obviously there must be some fishing for goon tears
even if that was his subtext ( and i feel that is a reach) it doesn't mean you have to descend into the stupid meta debate here too. i was actually in 401k when they fell out with BL and BL started taking our moons. we lost because BL were willing to escalate as far as needed and 401k weren't. (if we had we might still have lost and even most likely would have). I say this because i feel your pain at fighting people willing to risk more than is wise. tbh i am happy 401k lost as the leadership didn't lead in a direction the active corps wanted to follow and we are all better off now in places that provide what we want. nonetheless this topic would be better spent on discussing what OP overtly asked for rather than 2nd guessing. the blob vs escalation debate is tired. In keeping with that i would like to say i miss the herocat doctrine from 401k. herocats are tempests with 2 heavy neuts. they are for killing supers. there is a formula for how many herocats you need to cap out a super before it hits armour and wants to rep. i have no idea what this formula is.......RIP lonely ryan. i wasn't in herocat that day (coz i couldn't fly one). my bellicose died well that day (although pointlessly as not one iota of gain was given from my stupid bellicose). the other reason i mention herocats in this post is because the joint 401k.BL op to kill that titan was in fact entirely BL based. the new staging system to bridge, the fake cyno to draw out the subcaps and the bubble to trap a titan returning home in perceived safety was all BL. 401k only offered numbers to make it work and i understand why ELO got annoyed at the junior partner trying to be an equal partner. In another example for OP CFC tried to headshot 401k on numerous occasions and my favourite fight was razor loki's vs 401k nagas. they never got in range and the few survivors fire saled their ships in the npc station. over 1000 cfc invaded that night vs 400 defenders and they lost badly, no one in was scared of cfc numbers but people were nervous of darkspawn when they deployed to our system and BL destroyed us in a few days. my point is stop f-ing whining about tactics you dislike, you could replicate them if you wanted with twice the number and could escalate with more supers than your foes.. just because you are scared too doesn't make the tactics you face OP. pick a new doctrine (that you are willing to risk) and fight. or surrender idc. death to all coalitions. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2093
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:16:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Perchance the OP is asking about these fleet labels?
Like "Omega Fleet", etc?
I remember names for certain fittings too, though vaguely.
But I would also expect nullsec to come up with more elaborate and deeper slang, like "slapyoursister fit" or vague references along the Dennis Miller style.
But where in world did the term "slowcat" actually come from? That's something I would like to know. PL uses "cat" designations for doctrine fits. ie "foxcats" are navy apocs, "slowcats" are their archons. Wouldn't be suprised if it originates from the Grumman Hellcat WW2 fighter,, but in the youtube era, who knows, a cat could have inspired the first name too. edit: yes, I think they started with plain apocs called hellcats.
It was Abbadons, the original Hellcat.
The name, comes from a short lived TV show on the WB called, Hellcats, about a squad of cheerleaders:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596356/
Trust me, as much as you think I'm trolling about this, I'm not, but wish I was.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2093
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:19:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: The assist part is not at all because that gives you perfect alpha
Also you'll see this line frequently, its a lie, anybody who uses sentries in large fights knows this to be a lie that James and his buddies wont give up, unless you consider half your drones shooting the other half your drones 'perfect alpha'.
However you'll never hear a goon talk about all the draw backs of sentry drones because that doesn't fit their narrative.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
610
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:22:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:It was Abbadons, the original Hellcat. The name, comes from a short lived TV show on the WB called, Hellcats, about a squad of cheerleaders: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596356/Trust me, as much as you think I'm trolling about this, I'm not, but wish I was.
Thats actually better than naming them after a fighter :)
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8102
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:55:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: The assist part is not at all because that gives you perfect alpha
Also you'll see this line frequently, its a lie, anybody who uses sentries in large fights knows this to be a lie that James and his buddies wont give up, unless you consider half your drones shooting the other half your drones 'perfect alpha'. Really now? In all of my experience with it, every drone shot simultaneously or near-enough to make it still superior to manual targeting.
Grath Telkin wrote:However you'll never hear a goon talk about all the draw backs of sentry drones because that doesn't fit their narrative. Yeah, sentry drones are so vulnerable. That's definitely a drawback. Except you can just launch more so not really. Sentry drones are stationary. That's a drawback because... well why is it a drawback? Sentry drones are limited by their control range. Well, I suppose that would be an issue if your wrecking ball carriers didn't have 177 km control range at EWDI 4. Drone anchor can be jammed, sensor d- oh wait they can't because you're using supers for that. My EVE Videos |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8102
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:58:00 -
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You'll definitely hear Grath talk all about the drawbacks of sentries and significantly inflating their impact because that fits his narrative. My EVE Videos |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4092
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:05:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Tauranon wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Perchance the OP is asking about these fleet labels?
Like "Omega Fleet", etc?
I remember names for certain fittings too, though vaguely.
But I would also expect nullsec to come up with more elaborate and deeper slang, like "slapyoursister fit" or vague references along the Dennis Miller style.
But where in world did the term "slowcat" actually come from? That's something I would like to know. PL uses "cat" designations for doctrine fits. ie "foxcats" are navy apocs, "slowcats" are their archons. Wouldn't be suprised if it originates from the Grumman Hellcat WW2 fighter,, but in the youtube era, who knows, a cat could have inspired the first name too. edit: yes, I think they started with plain apocs called hellcats. It was Abbadons, the original Hellcat. The name, comes from a short lived TV show on the WB called, Hellcats, about a squad of cheerleaders: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596356/Trust me, as much as you think I'm trolling about this, I'm not, but wish I was.
And this is what "player-created content" is really all about.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8801
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:17:00 -
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I would have thought your parents had this talk with you already..but II guess I can do it.
You see, when one large null alliance loves another large null alliance, one alliance puts his cyno into the others system. After some friction, lots of ships appear. After 90 minutes or so, a node crash is born!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:You'll definitely hear Grath talk all about the drawbacks of sentries and significantly inflating their impact because that fits his narrative. Oh my, it's almost as if they need to defend the thing they rely on a ton. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2094
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: The assist part is not at all because that gives you perfect alpha
Also you'll see this line frequently, its a lie, anybody who uses sentries in large fights knows this to be a lie that James and his buddies wont give up, unless you consider half your drones shooting the other half your drones 'perfect alpha'. Really now? In all of my experience with it, every drone shot simultaneously or near-enough to make it still superior to manual targeting.
Then you have no experience with it, the drones shoot each other, they shoot other drones, they shoot the station you're repping, they shoot the carrier you're repping, they shoot the guy repping you, all the while being told to shoot something else.
Also nobody uses a super as the drone trigger you ******, our supers are currently fit full rep fit, meaning no TP's or or points or webs or bursts or anything, just cap, rep, and tank, thanks for coming out to play though, we use carriers as the trigger ship, its easier to swtich them around when your womanly FC's start going after our Viking warrior FC's.
This stuff isn't hard, you dont need to guess or make up things to make your case more presentable, just flat out say it James, you want nothing but pure numbers to matter in a fight, just let it out, put it in the air one time and just be ok with it. I think all the rest of us long ago came to terms with that being the CFC's main game design ideal, it sounds like its a hard pill for you to swallow, but im sure over time you'll come to accept your stance
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Kawaiian Breeze
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:55:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:you want nothing but pure numbers to matter in a fight
I was just browsing this list of military tactics used in modern warfare and I wonder how many could be broken down into:
more dudes vs. superior equipment |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8103
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:56:00 -
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"Drones shoot everything except what they're supposed to, and that's why we use them exclusively." You're adorable. You really are. None of that **** happens, so I don't get why you're lying. It's not even a half-believable lie.
Not going to engage you on this supremely low level you've chosen. Looking forward to your tears when CCP does what we both know they're going to do. My EVE Videos |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2094
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Drones shoot everything except what they're supposed to, and that's why we use them exclusively." You're adorable. You really are. None of that **** happens, so I don't get why you're lying. It's not even a half-believable lie.
Not going to engage you on this supremely low level you've chosen. Looking forward to your tears when CCP does what we both know they're going to do.
The best part about this is, other CFC guys were bitching about the drones doing exactly what I said the were doing, but all the logs and all the actual people flying the ships don't matter when your name is James and your carrying the company line. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Drones shoot everything except what they're supposed to, and that's why we use them exclusively." You're adorable. You really are. None of that **** happens, so I don't get why you're lying. It's not even a half-believable lie.
Not going to engage you on this supremely low level you've chosen. Looking forward to your tears when CCP does what we both know they're going to do. Oh my, so sure that it will occur in time to save you from progodlegend's elite warriors in test alliance please ignore? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8103
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:24:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:The best part about this is, other CFC guys were bitching about the drones doing exactly what I said the were doing, but all the logs and all the actual people flying the ships don't matter when your name is James and your carrying the company line. Right. Because if they were actually doing it that much you wouldn't be using them. My EVE Videos |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
347
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:35:00 -
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Rainbow Dash wrote:Don't worry, CFC deployed 900 caps and supers, which means they'll headshot N3/PL the next time N3/PL dare form caps. Which will be tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day.
The idea that N3PL might be remotely scared of the CFC caps is laughable.
Rainbow Dash wrote:The war is basically over, 900 caps/supers and 1k subcaps can kill basically anything N3/PL have Except we all know that the CFC doesn't have 1,000 subcap pilots if they field 900 caps at the same time. --- |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9736
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:37:00 -
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Kawaiian Breeze wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:you want nothing but pure numbers to matter in a fight I was just browsing this list of military tactics used in modern warfare and I wonder how many could be broken down into: more dudes vs. superior equipment
N3 can deploy just as many subcaps as we can so its a case of more dudes with superior equipment. With capitals fleets now being invincible to subcaps we are in a position where it is impossible for anyone to dislodge the two main blocks of EVE.
The only good thing that might come out of this is that finally we might see titans and supers getting killed but only if omegafleet works. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kawaiian Breeze wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:you want nothing but pure numbers to matter in a fight I was just browsing this list of military tactics used in modern warfare and I wonder how many could be broken down into: more dudes vs. superior equipment N3 can deploy just as many subcaps as we can so its a case of more dudes with superior equipment. With capitals fleets now being invincible to subcaps we are in a position where it is impossible for anyone to dislodge the two main blocks of EVE. The only good thing that might come out of this is that finally we might see titans and supers getting killed but only if omegafleet works. No.
progodlegend's coalition will at some point succeed in its reason for existing
Your are on the way to destruction You have no chance to survive make your time ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 12:33:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: its easier to swtich them around when your womanly FC's start going after our Viking warrior FC's.
You clearly haven't met our Sirenswarm. If you had, you wouldn't be using "womanly" as a derogatory term.
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