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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
870
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:28:00 -
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Except people can compete now. Blaming past environment on current affairs isn't a real argument, it's an excuse for failure, and starting from a defeatist attitude. Somer no longer can leverage any advantage from their massive pile of built up isk.
Did they get advantage in the past by taking best advantage of CCP's generic policies. Sure, no argument there, did they abuse CCP, no argument there either. But they did it within the rules (Unless someone can prove Dev collusion rather than just tin foil hat because someone else got something shiny). But so could anyone else have gotten themselves into the same position, Somer simply used the tools well.
And I'm never going to support any calls to delete peoples assets just for being jerks and taking advantage of things that are allowed. Otherwise gankers should all be banned instantly. |
Kawaiian Breeze
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:36:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Except people can compete now
lolno. Its like the difference between Google and Lycos. Or Netscape and IE. Somer reached the level where they are today in large part because of CCP. And no one can ever compete with that. Somer is forever advantaged, simply by word of mouth and the if they never got another one of a kind half a trillion isk ship before its even released ever again.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
870
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:41:00 -
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Except you can compete with it, you just have to do it the hard way, build yourself up using the current rules regarding all that sort of business to your best advantage and slowly expand. Somer didn't happen overnight, they have been around for years, so start & build. And in five years you might be where Somer is today.
But crying about the past isn't going to achieve anything. Nor is a witch-hunt. Why bother doing anything if when CCP changes the rules at some point in the future you can be banned for an action taken back when it was legal.
The main thing is already done. The imbalance in the playing field has been corrected. Now you just have to spend the time to build a team that can match an already existing one. That's totally different from a playing field issue. |
Kawaiian Breeze
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:46:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:The main thing is already done. The imbalance in the playing field has been corrected. Now you just have to spend the time to build a team that can match an already existing one
Yes it is done. And now they sit upon quadrillions of isk that was funneled their way indirectly by CCP through community spotlights and one of a kind items given to them to raffle off driving extraordinary amounts of traffic to the site.
It is done and can never be undone. Previously they used that isk to entice more business and thus sell more GTC for CCP and inturn received more social media exposure, community spotlights and one of a kind items. Presently HE (Somer) is looking for a new loophole to keep the GTC flowing and CCP will help HIM get there. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
870
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:51:00 -
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Sure, Somer is sitting on a fat pile of isk. Don't get me wrong, I don't like what Somer did, and will tell anyone who asks me to never touch their site after their blatant money grab when CCP changed their policies. But there really is no difference between that isk and the isk goons have from the tech moon monopoly either. It was smart use of an allowed mechanic. Even if it was a terribly poor mechanic.
I just don't have the tin foil conspiracy hat on that says CCP will change rules just for him. A rules change 'might' end up benefiting him, not every change can hurt him after all, but as long as everyone gets the same rules to play by, it's just about using them. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8103
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:05:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:But there really is no difference between that isk and the isk goons have from the tech moon monopoly either. Looking forward to reading whatever revisionist history is required for that statement to make sense. My EVE Videos |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
871
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:10:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:But there really is no difference between that isk and the isk goons have from the tech moon monopoly either. Looking forward to reading whatever revisionist history is required for that statement to make sense. The one where the goons took advantage of the rules CCP had set, (I.e. the in game conditions which clustered tech & made tech a required bottleneck item for all T2 production) & made a bucket of isk with it. Smart use of something that was allowed. Exactly what Somer did to make their isk also.
They didn't break any rules. They just abused them as close to breaking as they could. Totally Jerks, doesn't make them worthy of a ban or witch hunt. Just persuade everyone they are jerks and to stop using their product and they will collapse and new people who aren't utter jerks might take their place, or a new bunch of jerks might move in. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:11:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:But there really is no difference between that isk and the isk goons have from the tech moon monopoly either. Looking forward to reading whatever revisionist history is required for that statement to make sense. Devswarm ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Dave Stark
4130
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:31:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:But there really is no difference between that isk and the isk goons have from the tech moon monopoly either. Looking forward to reading whatever revisionist history is required for that statement to make sense. The one where the goons took advantage of the rules CCP had set, (I.e. the in game conditions which clustered tech & made tech a required bottleneck item for all T2 production) & made a bucket of isk with it. Smart use of something that was allowed. Exactly what Somer did to make their isk also. They didn't break any rules. They just abused them as close to breaking as they could. Totally Jerks, doesn't make them worthy of a ban or witch hunt. Just persuade everyone they are jerks and to stop using their product and they will collapse and new people who aren't utter jerks might take their place, or a new bunch of jerks might move in.
i feel you haven't got a clue what we're discussing here. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:But there really is no difference between that isk and the isk goons have from the tech moon monopoly either. Looking forward to reading whatever revisionist history is required for that statement to make sense. The one where the goons took advantage of the rules CCP had set, (I.e. the in game conditions which clustered tech & made tech a required bottleneck item for all T2 production) & made a bucket of isk with it. Smart use of something that was allowed. Exactly what Somer did to make their isk also. They didn't break any rules. They just abused them as close to breaking as they could. Totally Jerks, doesn't make them worthy of a ban or witch hunt. Just persuade everyone they are jerks and to stop using their product and they will collapse and new people who aren't utter jerks might take their place, or a new bunch of jerks might move in. i feel you haven't got a clue what we're discussing here. .... does it matter?
The Faction Warfare thing would also have been another great example. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Dave Stark
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:But there really is no difference between that isk and the isk goons have from the tech moon monopoly either. Looking forward to reading whatever revisionist history is required for that statement to make sense. The one where the goons took advantage of the rules CCP had set, (I.e. the in game conditions which clustered tech & made tech a required bottleneck item for all T2 production) & made a bucket of isk with it. Smart use of something that was allowed. Exactly what Somer did to make their isk also. They didn't break any rules. They just abused them as close to breaking as they could. Totally Jerks, doesn't make them worthy of a ban or witch hunt. Just persuade everyone they are jerks and to stop using their product and they will collapse and new people who aren't utter jerks might take their place, or a new bunch of jerks might move in. i feel you haven't got a clue what we're discussing here. .... does it matter? The Faction Warfare thing would also have been another great example.
maybe it's too early in the morning for me, but the whole issue with somer was that they were gifted valuable assets from thin air by ccp.
how does the tech monopoly or FW even remotely relate to that issue? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:46:00 -
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It doesn't, I'm just being a jerk on general discussion!
Actually, it's something about where ccp was told about A Thing and didn't do much, so A Thing was exploited and they were reminded about A Thing and got around to fixing it so it was no longer A Thing. Do you want more details?
Tech bottleneck, FW LP exchange ....
both unrelated to Somer, I was working off the need to list things goons Had Done. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Dave Stark
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:It doesn't, I'm just being a jerk on general discussion!
Actually, it's something about where ccp was told about A Thing and didn't do much, so A Thing was exploited and they were reminded about A Thing and got around to fixing it so it was no longer A Thing. Do you want more details?
Tech bottleneck, FW LP exchange ....
freighters full of zydrine, something something. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6087
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:It doesn't, I'm just being a jerk on general discussion!
Actually, it's something about where ccp was told about A Thing and didn't do much, so A Thing was exploited and they were reminded about A Thing and got around to fixing it so it was no longer A Thing. Do you want more details?
Tech bottleneck, FW LP exchange .... freighters full of zydrine, something something. it wasn't zydrine specifically, actually. much more elegant than that.
CCP was informed in advance of the possibility but decided that it was Fine. Then it was used to the tune of like 5 trillion isk and it was Not Fine and Not Intended. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Dave Stark
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:54:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:it wasn't zydrine specifically, actually. much more elegant than that.
CCP was informed in advance of the possibility but decided that it was Fine. Then it was used to the tune of like 5 trillion isk and it was Not Fine and Not Intended.
it's always fine until it's not. like GTC incentives! |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
78
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:08:00 -
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This thread should be locked and users directed to post in the Eve Vegas Somer thread. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6088
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:09:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:This thread should be locked and users directed to post in the Eve Vegas Somer thread. Wait, there's one?
Welp, I guess this was a duplicate. Link to the Eve Vegas somer thread please?
CCP gave them a trip or something to lottery off, right? Pretty nice stuff. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Dave Stark
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:19:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:This thread should be locked and users directed to post in the Eve Vegas Somer thread.
or even to CCP's own thread that was stickied, then unsticked with no comment and promptly abandoned like the titanic when it hit an ice cube. |
Logical 101
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
181
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the whole issue with somer was that they were gifted valuable assets from thin air by ccp The nerve! The gall! The terrible, biting, wretched unfairness of it all!
I mean... free valuable pixels?
Like... free valuable pixels?
My god.
My world is crumbling. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6088
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:32:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:This thread should be locked and users directed to post in the Eve Vegas Somer thread. I think these are appropriate Final words on the Somer Blink Issue ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3244
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:42:00 -
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Damsel in Distress wrote:So my account is about to expire and I wondered if there has been any wrap up concering the Somer Blink misconduct.
Tried Forum and Google search but couldn't find a trace of an apology or even an attempt to revert CCPs wrongdoings.
Considering it has been a more severe dev misconduct than T20, I must have missed it somehow.
Apologies if the respective search engines didn't come up with the correct topic, but I'm sure someone can point me to it :).
Yes, there's been a wrap up of sorts... CCP Navigator is leaving CCP for Riot Games.
Looks like CCP is becoming a place to look for former Electronic Arts employees and Riot Games a the place to meet former CCP developers... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:01:00 -
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Back in the day........... Things like this didn't happen.
What went wrong Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
442
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:39:00 -
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They choked thats whats happening.
Give me a job at CCP. Would take me 5 mins to shut somer down Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek. CCP Huggin and Grimmi thanks a bunch for your typical information of nowt |
Dave Stark
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:40:00 -
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Jove Death wrote:They choked thats whats happening. Give me a job at CCP. Would take me 5 mins to shut somer down
yeah it was ccp who ****** up, not somer. somer don't need shutting down. |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
442
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:42:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jove Death wrote:They choked thats whats happening. Give me a job at CCP. Would take me 5 mins to shut somer down yeah it was ccp who ****** up, not somer. somer don't need shutting down.
TBH as I mentioned in other posts. CCP keep somer as its an exceptional way for people to buy plexes and waste them on somer. Lots of money for CCP and lots of isk for somer. Job Done
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek. CCP Huggin and Grimmi thanks a bunch for your typical information of nowt |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1944
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:46:00 -
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The final word is:
Some people think they understand it and are annoyed
Some people think they understand it and arent
And some people find the constant whining extremely tedious.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
11
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:53:00 -
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Damsel in Distress wrote:So my account is about to expire and I wondered if there has been any wrap up concering the Somer Blink misconduct.
Tried Forum and Google search but couldn't find a trace of an apology or even an attempt to revert CCPs wrongdoings.
Considering it has been a more severe dev misconduct than T20, I must have missed it somehow.
Apologies if the respective search engines didn't come up with the correct topic, but I'm sure someone can point me to it :).
How the **** has this been worse dev issue that T20. Blowing out of all proportion or what.
Get your head out of your arse and grow up. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
14
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:56:00 -
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Kawaiian Breeze wrote:T20 was pretty bad because of the direct involvement but that was almost exclusively ingame benefits. The thing about Somer and the sweetheart deals that HE got and is still getting generate massive real life money profits.
The deals he got wasn't with CCP but with the time code providers, CCP closed the loophole therefore no problem now. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16410
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:The final word is:
Some people think they understand it and are annoyed
Some people think they understand it and arent
And some people find the constant whining extremely tedious.
I'm going from 2 to 3.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8108
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:The final word is:
Some people think they understand it and are annoyed
Some people think they understand it and arent
And some people find the constant whining extremely tedious.
What if I do understand it and am annoyed but I also find it tedious and wish CCP would just answer already? My EVE Videos |
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