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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
227
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:36:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:It's not any different from 5 years ago :D I think it is...
Though can baiting was relatively prevalent five years ago the bumping was all but unheard of, the majority of miners had to pay attention to when Hulkageddon was due but the New Order wasn't a thing yet.
Five years ago the Nullsec Hulk fits (loaded with Gist or Pith A-Type boosters) in highsec were the ones at real risk, the ones who copied fits from the interwebs without thinking about what they actually needed. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
973
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:00:00 -
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Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
It is completely within the EULA/TOS. I don't care how wrong you think I am, but I am right. I have had many harassment/griefer petitions filed against me but because I was enforcing the code and not doing it without a purpose they were all unfounded. I would go into it further but that would mean discussing GM stuff on the forums, which is against the EULA/TOS, unlike enforcing the CODE.
See the above referred to GM posts on the topic. The petitions you are talking about will have been miners whining because you bumped them for 5 minutes, then they warped to the other end of the ice field and you followed them, not stalking them for hours across new eden. Which as I've already said about the former, doesn't count. However the later does. Reason or not, you can't continually stalk someone like that just to bump them. Gee, can you please tell me how you know what petitions I'm talking about when I didn't provide links or give out specific details about them? You know what assuming does . . . its been stated by GM/Dev clarification multiple times i believe, that repeated bumping agaisnt a single target, over long periods of time, and across distance (constellation or region) IS griefing.
now, if he refuses to pay and you wardec/gank him, it is not griefing, but bumping nonstop for the sole purpose of preventing warp IS bannable.
you want to encourage him to pay? then quit being a **** and just gank him already. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
96
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:33:00 -
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Minerbumping... Is there a thing that might be more boring than mining? minerbumping? at least you can mine afk, guess that's kinda harder while bumping. but hey, it's a sandbox... you gotta take "fun" wherever you find it. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
711
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:35:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The answer is yes, there are now more new order douches than previously
Lucas Kell wrote:They pester around in like 3 systems and they are losing members left right and center to groups that actually matter.
Why don't you just admit that you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about?
Lucas Kell wrote:The worst possible thing you can do is pay them... they will soon be back to tell you some other made up rule you've broken which invalidates your payment. I've seen it happen time and time again.
Poppycock. The Code is clearly laid out for all to read and anyone who has their permit revoked is guilty of violating it. I understand that some people are opposed to the New Order in the safety of the forum, but please at least try and have a clue before posting. Your willful dis-information is only going to cause more miners to have their ships confiscated at gunpoint. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
96
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:36:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Your willful dis-information is only going to cause more miners to have their ships confiscated at gunpoint.
how tragic. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3260
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:53:00 -
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Rick II Egnald wrote:I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.
Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9
Is this normal now?
Yes it is, and CCP thinks this is why you pay them 15 euros/USD each month. You're free to disagree them, of course. Try doing something else were you can't be prevented from playing. Or just try playing another game; Space Engineers is fashionable now, and Kerbal Space Program plans to go Multiplayer sometime this year. Also, X Rebirth may be worth it in a few months once the modders and Egosoft get their sh*t together.
Being bumped in EVE is totally optional. And remember: never agree to blackmail as that only encourages further blackmail. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
772
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:06:00 -
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Stating that harassment is against the EULA while on the other hand stating it is acceptable when the victim can pay to (maybe) have it stopped, is so typical :CCP:.
That line is so blurred that it basically comes down to the mood of the day of the senior GM when he handles the issue. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2357
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:09:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The answer is yes, there are now more new order douches than previously Lucas Kell wrote:They pester around in like 3 systems and they are losing members left right and center to groups that actually matter. Why don't you just admit that you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? So what you are saying is that you cant comprehend how there might have been less members than there are now, while they are still currently losing members?
It's called a peak. 5 Years ago the new order were nothing, a tiny group of people. Since then, they have built up to a peak, and since peaking (and since the barge changes) have been decreasing in numbers as their efforts are less effective.
This by the way people just shows the level of moron required to qualify as an agent of the code. They not particularly difficult to outwit, since even basic concepts are way over their heads.
admiral root wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The worst possible thing you can do is pay them... they will soon be back to tell you some other made up rule you've broken which invalidates your payment. I've seen it happen time and time again. Poppycock. The Code is clearly laid out for all to read and anyone who has their permit revoked is guilty of violating it. I understand that some people are opposed to the New Order in the safety of the forum, but please at least try and have a clue before posting. Your willful dis-information is only going to cause more miners to have their ships confiscated at gunpoint. Bullshit. It's written to be purposely vague so you idiots can interpret it in whatever way benefits you at the time.
You seem to be taking it pretty seriously. Honestly, I thought even you new order guys knew you were an absolute joke. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1080
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:12:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:Stating that harassment is against the EULA while on the other hand stating it is acceptable when the victim can pay to (maybe) have it stopped, is so typical :CCP:.
That line is so blurred that it basically comes down to the mood of the day of the senior GM when he handles the issue.
It's not pay to have it stopped, it's having options TO stop the action.
You may not like some of the options to stop, say, bumping, but they're there. You can logoff, move to a different system, sacrifice some sec status and gank the bumper, refit for less yield and make bumping harder...
EVE is one of the few games out there where not everyone gets a pat on the butt and a trophy just for logging in. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:15:00 -
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Though the occasional "new order" type can probably PvP and does the "New Order" thing just for lulz most of them are wannabes and you rarely if ever see them in losec, people might actually shoot back at them.
Just feel sorry for the sort of person that wastes an entire hour bumping barges in 0.9 to make a measly 10 mill ransom :D (That btw is a whole 30 cents US per hour at current plex rates) . |
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
96
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:17:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
EVE is one of the few games out there where not everyone gets a pat on the butt and a trophy just for logging in.
obviously, you need to bump a ship first. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1081
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:25:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: It's called a peak. 5 Years ago the new order were nothing, a tiny group of people. Since then, they have built up to a peak, and since peaking (and since the barge changes) have been decreasing in numbers as their efforts are less effective.
Five years ago, the New Order didn't exist. You may be confusing it with Hulkageddon, which while similar, was run by different people with different goals. Since I've been around, the New Order channel has pretty steadily grown from an average of ~20 people online, to ~45-50. You do realise, we're not exactly organized like ~elite pvp alliances~ with CTAs and all that jazz, right? James doesn't come down from on-high and declare "We must focus our efforts in X system!"
admiral root wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The worst possible thing you can do is pay them... they will soon be back to tell you some other made up rule you've broken which invalidates your payment. I've seen it happen time and time again. Poppycock. The Code is clearly laid out for all to read and anyone who has their permit revoked is guilty of violating it. I understand that some people are opposed to the New Order in the safety of the forum, but please at least try and have a clue before posting. Your willful dis-information is only going to cause more miners to have their ships confiscated at gunpoint. Bullshit. It's written to be purposely vague so you idiots can interpret it in whatever way benefits you at the time.
You seem to be taking it pretty seriously. Honestly, I thought even you new order guys knew you were an absolute joke.[/quote]
You seem pretty intent on degrading members of New Order as "morons" and other such fun terms. Not having some RL/Game disconnect issues, are you? I mean, all it takes for me to stop being a "New Order Agent" is logging in a different account.
Anyway, here's the big super secret behind The Code. People who follow it are effectively ungankable. The whole "Pay attention, don't be AFK, tank your mining ship...." bit, advice handed out pretty freely, that's following The Code. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
677
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:32:00 -
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wardec them with your alt corp, put some recons in system for a while, either you will kill the bumper or he will leave you alone. They probably wont form a fleet and stay in system just because of 1-2 wartargets in local afk cloaking, in same time they surely wont hang out in a belt for bumping with these 1-2 wartargets in local. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15467
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:43:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Though the occasional "new order" type can probably PvP and does the "New Order" thing just for lulz most of them are wannabes and you rarely if ever see them in losec, people might actually shoot back at them. You somehow seem to have missed some of the words contained in the name "New Order of Highsec", highsec being one of them. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
795
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The answer is yes, there are now more new order douches than previously, so yes, this is more common. The worst possible thing you can do is pay them, since that encourages them to d it more. In realism paying them only usually stops the one person doing it for now, and they will soon be back to tell you some other made up rule you've broken which invalidates your payment. I've seen it happen time and time again.
The best thing you can do is simply move to a new system (more than a few jumps away). If they follow you, petition it, since they are not allowed to follow you around bumping you forever. Also, there are unwritten limits. If they are completely preventing you from being able to do anything leaving you with only the option of not playing, it's been going on for more than a couple of hours, and they have no ability to kill you or gain anything from it, CCP will usually ask them to cease if you raise a ticket.
Essentially what it boils down to is while CCP are not going to step in every time anyone gets bumped as it's a valid method of gameplay, if gets to the point of stupid and starts risking them losing subs, they'll usually take action.
Remember though, regardless of what the forum trolls tell you, if you feel harassed, and feel that it's gone on too long, you do have the right to raise a ticket about it. It may not get anything done if CCP feel it's within their limits, but you are free to report what you feel is harassment. At the end of the day, this is a game and we're all here for entertainment. Silently putting up with not having any fun at all because some troll on the forum told you you are a carebear won't do anything.
:frogout: of the CFC |
Ice Eagle
6
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:56:00 -
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skiff with a simple t2 passive fit ie, couple large extenders invols and t1 rigs will give an effective tank of around 14-16k.
in regards to bumping,
make a bm in the belt, approach said bm (gives the impression you are still playing), minimize eve and play something else for a couple hours, mow the lawn, goto work, what ever. let them brainlessly bump you for as long as they like. jokes on them
like anything, if they don't get any response from you then it isn't fun, they will move on and, depending how drunk or stoned they are, will remember that you did not provide them with tears.
Passive aggressive, always an option
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
1987
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Posted - 2014.01.06 12:12:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Anyway, here's the big super secret behind The Code. People who follow it are effectively ungankable. The whole "Pay attention, don't be AFK, tank your mining ship...." bit, advice handed out pretty freely, that's following The Code.
Its almost astounding that some people STILL dont get this *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
67
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Posted - 2014.01.06 12:23:00 -
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The only griefers I know sit in starter corps and tell you to play isolated. To mine or run missions. New player feeling neglected? You're important from day 1!!! Join the Epic Boo Bees! (female chars only, RP!)
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
717
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:01:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: It's called a peak. 5 Years ago the new order were nothing, a tiny group of people. Since then, they have built up to a peak, and since peaking (and since the barge changes) have been decreasing in numbers as their efforts are less effective.
This sentence alone proves that you are making things up as you go along. Five years ago the New Order didn't exist, because we weren't needed. Miner ganking, ninja salvaging, and canflipping were at an all time high and life was good in highsec. The New Order came into existence in 2012 as a reaction to the mining barge/exhumer changes, a way to save miner ganking as a profession from near extinction and to call attention to the problem of all avenues for highsec PvP being systematically nerfed by CCP to appease the "carebears". Since then we have been steadily growing.
Carebears are a subset of EVE's population contributes little to nothing to the community or the content of the game, and does not deserve the special, protected status that the developers have given them. The New Order works hard and uses all of its ingenuity to engage these people and to protect highsec from them, in spite of all the obstacles that have been placed in our path.
We also operate in all regions of highsec, even out to the remote fringes. Because we are a decentralized volunteer organization with members from many different corporations and alliances, there tend to be clusters of activity all over the place where different agents and their friends prefer to concentrate their efforts.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
2154
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:09:00 -
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You'd be amazed at how good gank Catalysts are at blowing up other gank Catalysts.
And a heck of a lot more satisfying than actually paying these retards. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
677
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:12:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:And a heck of a lot more satisfying than actually paying these retards.
paying lol. Pay them with lead and antimatter. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
87213
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:42:00 -
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Ice Eagle wrote:
like anything, if they don't get any response from you then it isn't fun, they will move on and, depending how drunk or stoned they are, will remember that you did not provide them with tears.
False statement.
They will not stop.
Bumping is legal. Griefing is not. That's the line CCP must manipulate policy around.
Just take two or three screenshots about 5-10 minutes apart, as you are bumped a few times into different parts of the belt from your desired location. Try to get proof of your Orca or Hulk moving away at 250 m/s on speedometer.
Forward the photos and story in a Petition, and I guarantee you will not see that Bumper "for awhile".
Or........................just move somewhere else and mine.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1019
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:52:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:The only griefers I know sit in starter corps and tell you to play isolated. To mine or run missions.
that 1 trillion times! That is the greater offense or attack someone can commit upon a new player. Shoudl be bannable even. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1019
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ice Eagle wrote:
like anything, if they don't get any response from you then it isn't fun, they will move on and, depending how drunk or stoned they are, will remember that you did not provide them with tears.
False statement. They will not stop. Bumping is legal. Griefing is not. That's the line CCP must manipulate policy around. Just take two or three screenshots about 5-10 minutes apart, as you are bumped a few times into different parts of the belt from your desired location. Try to get proof of your Orca or Hulk moving away at 250 m/s on speedometer. Forward the photos and story in a Petition, and I guarantee you will not see that Bumper "for awhile". Or........................just move somewhere else and mine.
You will get nothign with taht. The bumper can simply claim that for roleplay reasons he is trying to save that belt. He is entitled to do it. To be considered harassment (ccp never uses the childish and pathetic term grief) he woudl need to follow you whatever damm system you go targetint you and only you with tht intend to clearly make you angry. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
1119
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:55:00 -
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I would like to remind you that people are quite easy to classify something as griefing. In this game, one can declare war upon another, and start killing their starbases, infiltrate in their ranks, utterly detroy them and still it is not griefing according CCP. So when you classify your ship being bumped around a little as griefing...
Someone following you around and interdicting your activities, even over a long period of time, is technically still not griefing in the purest sense. In fact the focussed interdiction of PVE activities for a certain group is a valid strategy. Wars in Eve are won and lost on morale, and negatively impacting morale is also a valid strategy. It is absurd that on one end we are allowed to decimate each other's star empires by breaking people's will to fight... even to log on... but on the other end we have to walk on eggs around bumping-sensitive miners? It makes no sense and it's a double standard, subscriptions be damned. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
96
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:55:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:[quote=Lucas Kell] Carebears are a subset of EVE's population contributes little to nothing to the community or the content of the game, and does not deserve the special, protected status that the developers have given them.
well, they give CCP cashflow. as it seems (by reading the bragging on the forums) everyone else is plexing their accounts. and now you might begin to understand why they do have a protected status, coz they're the customers and you're the leeches. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4213
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:06:00 -
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Rick II Egnald wrote:I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.
Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9
Is this normal now?
So you can't deal with someone engaging you in a multiplayer game?
That decision to stop playing EVE you made 5 years ago, that was the right move. Be right again lol.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8129
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:09:00 -
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embrel wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:[quote=Lucas Kell] Carebears are a subset of EVE's population contributes little to nothing to the community or the content of the game, and does not deserve the special, protected status that the developers have given them.
well, they give CCP cashflow. as it seems (by reading the bragging on the forums) everyone else is plexing their accounts. and now you might begin to understand why they do have a protected status, coz they're the customers and you're the leeches. Yeah I bet CCP are really kicking themselves for providing a means to maintain a subscription without providing any income for them whatsoever. Or maybe they're smarter than you give them credit for and it's actually you who misunderstands how PLEX works. My EVE Videos |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2361
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:12:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: It's called a peak. 5 Years ago the new order were nothing, a tiny group of people. Since then, they have built up to a peak, and since peaking (and since the barge changes) have been decreasing in numbers as their efforts are less effective.
Five years ago, the New Order didn't exist. You may be confusing it with Hulkageddon, which while similar, was run by different people with different goals. Since I've been around, the New Order channel has pretty steadily grown from an average of ~20 people online, to ~45-50. You do realise, we're not exactly organized like ~elite pvp alliances~ with CTAs and all that jazz, right? James doesn't come down from on-high and declare "We must focus our efforts in X system!" I didn't bother checking the date you guys started up. I just assumed it had been longer than 5 years. And while your little channel maybe growing, there's considerably less of your actively patrolling and hassling than their used to be.
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Bullshit. It's written to be purposely vague so you idiots can interpret it in whatever way benefits you at the time.
You seem to be taking it pretty seriously. Honestly, I thought even you new order guys knew you were an absolute joke. You seem pretty intent on degrading members of New Order as "morons" and other such fun terms. Not having some RL/Game disconnect issues, are you? I mean, all it takes for me to stop being a "New Order Agent" is logging in a different account. You realise it doesn't have to be affecting my real life for me to think someone is a moron right? The majority of the new order guys I've spoken to are not very bright. That is no surprise, since it's effectively a cult and cults aren't really known for attracting the brightest sparks.
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Anyway, here's the big super secret behind The Code. People who follow it are effectively ungankable. The whole "Pay attention, don't be AFK, tank your mining ship...." bit, advice handed out pretty freely, that's following The Code. Ungankable, sure. but that's why you guys bump. So you can hassle people into paying you. And once people pay, you have no reason to uphold your end of the deal, so you just make stuff up at a later date to do it again. It's not like that's not something that is common knowledge, though I understand why you scramble to protect yourselves. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
70
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:15:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:The only griefers I know sit in starter corps and tell you to play isolated. To mine or run missions. that 1 trillion times! That is the greater offense or attack someone can commit upon a new player. Shoudl be bannable even. Many say this, yet nobody is willing to help and put effort into balancing this and I can't do it alone, because there are too many of them. New player feeling neglected? You're important from day 1!!! Join the Epic Boo Bees! (female chars only, RP!)
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