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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:08:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote: Big Fat NOOPEEE.
CCP doesn't play this game for us, it gives us the tools to do everything ourselves. It's your choice to use them or not. Don't complain about things you didn't do, only things that you couldn't.
Example: probing down a titan and bumping it during E-Warp
Players use skills in fitting ships, scanning and organisation to destroy a titan ((albeit later being declared an exploit) This was changed because the Titan pilot had no way to respond to the situation with systems disabled in E-Warp.)
Miner sucking rocks is bumped out of range,
CCP does nothing. Miner cries on forums. CCP still does nothing.
Let us analyze the differences, Miner could move to new system/space/area, Join a player corp and wardecc bumper, Could shoot him in the face and get concorded anyway, could hire mercs,. so forth.
Did Miner take any proactive steps to solve his problem? Did Titan pilot take any proactive steps to solve his problem?
Could Miner take any proactive steps to solve his problem? Could Titan pilot take any proactive steps to solve his problem?
Please refrain from using logic and reason in replies, it disturbs the creatures of the night natives and makes them restless post. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:16:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:
Big Fat DERP.
yea, tell that to my friends who I can't get to play EVE because none of them wants to ever be at the mercy of cowardly douchebags who take no risks and pay no real consequences for failure or success.
I guess CCP didn't want their money anyway? They would rather keep cowardly grief monkeys who are afraid of challenge happy? Like I said, hopefully CCP will pull their head out of their ass one of these days.
so many nonsensical clowns. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
100
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:20:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:
Big Fat DERP.
yea, tell that to my friends who I can't get to play EVE because none of them wants to ever be at the mercy of cowardly douchebags who take no risks and pay no real consequences for failure or success. I guess CCP didn't want their money anyway. They would rather keep cowardly grief monkeys who are afraid of challenge happy? Like I said, hopefully CCP will pull their head out of their ass one of these days. so many nonsensical clowns.
Then man the **** up and do something that isn't moaning that isn't moaning that isn't moaning that isn't moaning that isn't moaning |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:21:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:
Big Fat DERP.
yea, tell that to my friends who I can't get to play EVE because none of them wants to ever be at the mercy of cowardly douchebags who take no risks and pay no real consequences for failure or success. I guess CCP didn't want their money anyway. They would rather keep cowardly grief monkeys who are afraid of challenge happy? Like I said, hopefully CCP will pull their head out of their ass one of these days. so many nonsensical clowns. Then man the **** up and do something that isn't moaningthat isn't moaningthat isn't moaningthat isn't moaningthat isn't moaning
hey aren't you just whining about valid complaints? pretty sure you are. But hey its typical for hypocritical self serving types to not have a problem with something that doesn't effect them in a negative way. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
100
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:27:00 -
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They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here? You have access to everything everyone else does, your steadfast stance on doing absolutely nothing proactive about the situation and demanding that someone else do it for you is laughable.
Shall i go farm some sleepers for you to go pay for whatever you lost in time being bumped?
If the reason you want things to be changed is because you don't want to do anything for yourself you really don't belong here. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
91
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:33:00 -
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Mining permits are bullshit. New Order crap is bullshit.
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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:33:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here?
it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you reply in this thread any further. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:39:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here? it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you reply in this thread any further.
So in essence, you want eve to be a single player game? I've got bad news, it's not.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4225
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:41:00 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Mining permits are bullshit Emergent Gameplay. New Order crap is bullshit Emergent Gameplay.
Fixed |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:43:00 -
[190] - Quote
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Mining permits are bullshit. New Order crap is bullshit.
Show us on the mining barge doll where the New Order touched you. |
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
100
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:43:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here? it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you reply in this thread any further.
Punished for what?
You want them punished for something you don't like. They take risks by playing the game in a way that inflames other players such as yourself.
Thing is you don't do anything about it.
Nerf Burger wrote: it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, How does it have nothing to do with not standing up for yourself? That mean old kid pushed you, and pushed you, and pushed you. You know spaceships have guns, try sticking one to him.
You are in EvE a MMO you don't have an option to PvE and not be messed with. That's not your desicion to make...
I have no problems in reading comprehension. You have a self entitled attitude is all.
If you approached this thread in a manner that you actually were looking at ways to fix your problems people would be more inclined to your "plight" (word used verrryyy loosely here.) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15492
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:49:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote: yea, tell that to my friends who I can't get to play EVE because none of them wants to ever be at the mercy of cowardly douchebags who take no risks and pay no real consequences for failure or success.
Is this because you've told them how you think it is, or because they've tried and failed? I'd hazard a guess that the percentage of highsec carebears, myself included, being affected by the people you're calling douchebags more than once a year is tiny.
Quote:I guess CCP didn't want their money anyway? They would rather keep cowardly grief monkeys who are afraid of challenge happy? Like I said, hopefully CCP will pull their head out of their ass one of these days.
so many nonsensical clowns. The "cowardly grief monkey" dollar is just as strong as yours. Belligerent undesirable was a much better term btw, yours is trying way too hard to catch on. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:50:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here? it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you reply in this thread any further. So in essence, you want eve to be a single player game? I've got bad news, it's not.
Try your hardest to comprehended this with that limited intelligence. Not everything in a mmorpg has has to be done with a group of people, especially a game touted as a "sandbox". Also, expecting everyone to always have friends at their disposal for every mundane task is an unrealistic and moronic expectation. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
100
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:52:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here? it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you reply in this thread any further. So in essence, you want eve to be a single player game? I've got bad news, it's not. not everything in a mmorpghas has to be done with a group of people, especially a game touted as a "sandbox". If you weren't a moron you would understand this.
Nowhere does it say anything that has to happen within the game, you crossed the line when you asked for restrictions on how some other people play.
Who says your playstyle is any more right than theirs? |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
375
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:52:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here? it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you post on these forums any further.
Don't ******* play the game! Literally no one is going to miss you. The only thing you're good for is spewing vitriol all over the forums anyway. I am more than amused that you think your posts, which I am sure you believe to be jewels each and every one, are in any way going to convince anyone here to see things your way. *** Spoiler Alert *** They're not.
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
91
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:57:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Mining permits are bullshit. New Order crap is bullshit.
Show us on the mining barge doll where the New Order touched you. I don't fly a mining barge. And please, I invite New Order pilots to come where I fly; Black Rise can always use more targets. Matter of fact, come to Tama. That's a nice quiet system to bump miners in. I'm sure you'll have a great time. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2827
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:58:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:
Big Fat DERP.
yea, tell that to my friends who I can't get to play EVE because none of them wants to ever be at the mercy of cowardly douchebags who take no risks and pay no real consequences for failure or success. I guess CCP didn't want their money anyway? They would rather keep cowardly grief monkeys who are afraid of challenge happy? Like I said, hopefully CCP will pull their head out of their ass one of these days. CCP has some words for this situation. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15492
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:07:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:They're not valid cmplaints though, thats what my beef lies with.
If you and your friends aren't interested in standing up for yourselves why are you here? it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you reply in this thread any further. So in essence, you want eve to be a single player game? I've got bad news, it's not. He's right it's not a single player game. Your assertion as to the risk and cost involved with ganking is questionable at best, it's down to players to provide the things that CCP don't. If they can't be bothered to do so then whose fault is it when ganking is seen as riskless? Beyond the shoot them anywhere sec status, suspect flags, not forgetting Concord and the faction police of course.
Quote:Try your hardest to comphened this: Not everything in a mmorpg has has to be done with a group of people, especially a game touted as a "sandbox". Also, expecting everyone to have friends at their disposal for every mundane task is an unrealistic and moronic expectation. As I understand it a sandbox means that an individual or group of individuals can try and play as they want to, it also means that I as an individual or as a member of a group can try and prevent them from doing so, because I can try and play as I want to. What do you think it means? If we can get to what you see the sandbox as then we might just get somewhere instead of calling each other names.
You also seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of a group being able to accomplish more than an individual, I find this puzzling because it's true in real life as well. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15492
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:14:00 -
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meh double post please ignore |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16414
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:35:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Tippia wrote:Bobby Frutt wrote:2) Most griefers are somewhat sociopathic, mainly stemming from childhood issues such as bullying at school or a lack of proper parenting. GǪand this is based on, what, exactly? Hearsay and conjecture. Alternatively, it could be that it was just pulled from someones ass. or you know... psychology textbooks. That is a serious case of denial you have. Are you really denying the existence of sociopaths? haven't you clowned yourself in this thread enough already? lol. so many uneducated bumpkins in this thread. No one denies it, just as no one would deny that murderers exist. The problem you have is that you are comparing RL actions, with those that take place in a game. A game that is by design, a place that specifically allows for the shooting and killing of whomever you want, where ever you want, whenever you want.
Your stance is ridiculous, as you already agreed it was when I pointed out how it applied to chess players.
It's quite obvious you have little knowledge, in regards to conditions of the mind and their relation to game mechanics. For if you did, you wouldn't resort to name calling, but would instead post facts on the subject.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2285
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:51:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:[or you know... psychology textbooks. LOL. Think anyone will actually believe you've read one? Oh god. |
Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
0
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Posted - 2014.01.07 03:05:00 -
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Rick II Egnald wrote:I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.
Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9
Is this normal now?
I find the whole miner bumping thing to be highly annoying. I don't like extortion in any form. However, you will need to learn to deal with it. Here are some suggestions.
- Orbit the rock and keep your speed up. There are very few bumpers with the skill to consistently hit you. - Keep the rock between you and the bumper, harder to do but it helps. - Go to a different belt/system. - Remember that while you are mining, earning isk, they are wasting their time on you. - Never, EVER pay them money. - Laugh at them in local.
I heard rumor that CCP was looking at a mechanic that would cause damage to ships involved in collisions. Is this true?
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2829
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Posted - 2014.01.07 03:13:00 -
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Mister Simms wrote: - Orbit the rock and keep your speed up. There are very few bumpers with the skill to consistently hit you.
Orbit at range - allows you to maintain a higher absolute velocity.
Quote:- Keep the rock between you and the bumper, harder to do but it helps. It it's a New Order Doctrine-fit bumper, you're going to have a hard time keep away.
Quote:- Go to a different belt/system. Use your intelligence channels - They tend to clump.
Also - Set a ring of safes around the system, so you're always pointing at, or nearly at, a safe. That way, if you're orbiting at speed, and a NO ganker hits the belt instead of a bumper, you have a higher chance to escape. This is where orbiting at range makes a difference; you'll already be at or nearly at warp entry velocity. Of course, you also have to keep your eyes peeled, and your intelligenec channels clear. Situational awareness == best tank. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19356
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Posted - 2014.01.07 05:11:00 -
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Rick II Egnald wrote:I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.
Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9
Is this normal now? Yeah, things sure have changed a lot within the past 5 years.
Anyway, welcome back to Grief Online.
Er, I mean Eve Online.
DMC |
Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
78
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Posted - 2014.01.07 05:27:00 -
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Mister Simms wrote:Rick II Egnald wrote:I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.
Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9
Is this normal now? I find the whole miner bumping thing to be highly annoying. I don't like extortion in any form. However, you will need to learn to deal with it. Here are some suggestions. - Orbit the rock and keep your speed up. There are very few bumpers with the skill to consistently hit you. - Keep the rock between you and the bumper, harder to do but it helps. - Go to a different belt/system. - Remember that while you are mining, earning isk, they are wasting their time on you. - Never, EVER pay them money. - Laugh at them in local. I heard rumor that CCP was looking at a mechanic that would cause damage to ships involved in collisions. Is this true?
CCP isn't looking into anything. It's not a problem, so they're not "fixing" it. |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
552
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:11:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote: yea, tell that to my friends who I can't get to play EVE because none of them wants to ever be at the mercy of cowardly douchebags who take no risks and pay no real consequences for failure or success.
I guess CCP didn't want their money anyway? They would rather keep cowardly grief monkeys who are afraid of challenge happy? Like I said, hopefully CCP will pull their head out of their ass one of these days.
Nerf Burger wrote:
hey aren't you just whining about valid complaints? pretty sure you are. But hey its typical for hypocritical self serving types to not have a problem with something that doesn't effect them in a negative way.
Nerf Burger wrote: it has nothing to do with standing up for ourselves, you ridiculous clown. It is the fact that high sec "pirates" can't really be punished and take no risks and sometimes people just want to pve and not be ****** with. You have serious reading comprehension issues you need to work out before you post on these forums any further.
Nerf Burger wrote: Try your hardest to comprehended this with that limited intelligence. Not everything in a mmorpg has has to be done with a group of people, especially a game touted as a "sandbox". Also, expecting everyone to always have friends at their disposal for every mundane task is an unrealistic and moronic expectation for high sec players.
From reading some of your posts I see the same recurring issue that you have with this game. You don't want to do anything that would help your situation, however, you want someone else to do it for you. This is not how things work here. Also indirectly threatening CCP about money if you don't get your way is very childish.
You should put forth the effort "stand up for yourself" and take the necessary steps and precautions to reduce the likelihood of being ganked. CCP has given you everything you need, you just need to be smart enough to use it.
If you came here legitimately looking for ways to counter NO and admitted that you really didn't know how to, people from NO, other pirates and other people in this thread would have been the first to offer help. It's all about your attitude.
You can play Eve Online as a solo player until someone else decides to bring you back into the fold. Another idea to consider, once you make a mistake and loss a ship is what you do next is paramount to the way others view you in this game. Example, you get ganked, but instead of putting forth the effort to reduce the probability of getting ganked again, you come to the forums and rage about it, you demand CCP intervention whether that be directly, or indirectly, you threaten to quit said game.. etc. If you can't handle this, I have two questions. 1) Why the hell did you sign up for this game? 2) Can I have your stuff?
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2371
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:23:00 -
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Wow, so this thread, like all others has rapidly turned into trolling.
All of you guys banging on about how people HTFU, and should do thing for themselves and waah, waah, waah, your a bunch of idiots. This is a game guys, not a career. New players don't like this game, because they turn up and we just smash them into the ground and scream HTFU in their fact when they try to talk about it. This game is doomed to be just alts forever, because most of the community just wants to feel the power and stroke the epeen.
Honestly, I'm surprised new players even show up nowadays. I used to try to encourage my mates to play, now if people ask about eve, I simply say "you probably won't like it". At the end of the day, people play games to be entertained. It's not entertainment to be bumped, ganked and insulted by a 10 year vet who's got nothing better to do, then told to HTFU by the community.
Please proceed to shower me with all the trolling, whining and insulting we normally see in GD. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4361
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:32:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:But hey its typical for hypocritical self serving types
Interesting. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
207
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:50:00 -
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GD is mostly populated by vocal people with the more polarised opinions.
Most new players aren't being relentlessly smashed into the ground and told to HTFU. A number of them land in any of a plethora of larger or smaller corps that are supportive and educational for newer players and involvement in those communities is what helps them adhere to the game.
EVE isn't 'just a game' in the sense that you're not entitled to have fun with it- it's not designed to be a 'pick up and play' game, it's not something you can bring home to the family and play with them around the table after dinner over Christmas. Like any MMO, there's a depth of content that can only be explored and enjoyed over time. Unlike most MMOs, a large amount of that content is player driven.
HTFU isn't telling people not to be cry-babies. It's about telling them to take control of their experience. They can chose a life of compliance, a life of defiance, or they can seek out alternatives. HTFU is for people who expect the game to be meted out to them in crafted chunks for their consumption and expect to have that experience protected, to which CCP and the community resolutely gaze down and say 'No'. |
Anomaly One
141
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:58:00 -
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Quote: Wow, so this thread, like all others has rapidly turned into trolling.
And I suppose your post isn't trolling? where the **** are all these bumpers and griefers because i've been living in high sec for 7 months, MINING and didn't see one, anyway.. the normal whiners crybabies in this thread, people tell you to HTFU because they're sick of your ****..
Quote: your a bunch of idiots.
lol. Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC |
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