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Commander Shale
State Section 12
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Posted - 2014.01.06 07:23:00 -
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Just returned to this game after... quite some time away. The first thing I notice upon entering my ship hangar is this atrocious abomination of a Drake look-alike. As if swapping out the best looking ship for one of the ugliest wasn't bad enough, I was then greeted by a message upon trying to undock stating: You can't leave the station until you remove one of your missile launchers, indicating that aside from a very severe "visual nerf", CCP also decided to do an actual performance nerf by taking away one of the missile hardpoints.
Maybe I'm a little late to the party in asking this but... What the heck brought on these awful changes? Was there -anyone- who ever complained that the Nighthawk was visually unappealing before? I certainly didn't when I was spending my 2+ years specializing my skills towards flying it. And performance-wise, if I recall correctly, it was mediocre at best, so what in the world justified making it even worse?
I'll stay for as long as this PLEX I used to get back lasts, but I don't think I'll be here long beyond that. As far as I'm concerned, you absolutely ruined my favorite ship in this game, and for no real reason at that. |
Gigan Amilupar
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2014.01.06 07:42:00 -
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The command ship rebalance was quite a while ago, and they also gave half of the command ships new models (something a lot of people liked). |
Commander Shale
State Section 12
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:01:00 -
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Is that why the market value of the ship dropped by roughly 40%? Because people love it now so much? I've also still yet to hear any viable reason behind this "rebalance". Let alone the god awful redesign of turning it into one of the least visually appealing battlecruisers. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:14:00 -
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The launcher reduction was countered IIRC by a change in bonuses which I think end up as a slight buff rather than a nerf...
But yes, the model changes suck. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:20:00 -
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IIRC it was somethin like lose launcher but get double bonus... |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
333
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:23:00 -
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Try the Claymore. It's better than the Nighthawk in almost every way.
As for the visual change...nighthawk is a T2 drake, not a T2 ferox. Why shouldn't it look the part?
As for the lost launcher...look at the ship bonuses. You should do at least as much damage as you were doing before, if you're using scourge ammo. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.06 10:56:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Try the Claymore. It's better than the Nighthawk in almost every way.
As for the visual change...nighthawk is a T2 drake, not a T2 ferox. Why shouldn't it look the part?
As for the lost launcher...look at the ship bonuses. You should do at least as much damage as you were doing before, if you're using scourge ammo. why? cause nighthawk was one of the best looking ship in this game , nighthawk was outdated and weak before the launcher/bonus change , it only did a very slight change ---> nighthawk still crap |
Duchess Tjaden
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:38:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:
As for the visual change...nighthawk is a T2 drake, not a T2 ferox. Why shouldn't it look the part?
because with all the skills needed and time put into getting to something called a Command Ship. you expect something unique and sexy looking. I never cared for ferox or drake hull look. wished they would of created something nice looking so you know youre in a top ship.
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Odithia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:22:00 -
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You still have the vulture if you miss flying an elite ferox so much. It's not black though.
I kinda like the new Attack Command ships but I too would have preferred more Hull modifications than just the skin. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1982
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:37:00 -
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Performance-wise, NH got a slight buff despite the missing launcher. Visually, yeah, it's **** now. So do what everyone always does with Caldari PvE ships: zoom out and count volleys. |
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Agondray
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:23:00 -
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People want t2 tier 2 battle cruiser, ccp answer was to change a command ship skin, kinda like many of the programming excuses ccp gives us about their coding being to old when there's some older mmo's that have some base functions that we are missing |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
491
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Posted - 2014.01.08 04:27:00 -
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Commander Shale wrote:Just returned to this game after... quite some time away. The first thing I notice upon entering my ship hangar is this atrocious abomination of a Drake look-alike. As if swapping out the best looking ship for one of the ugliest wasn't bad enough, I was then greeted by a message upon trying to undock stating: You can't leave the station until you remove one of your missile launchers, indicating that aside from a very severe "visual nerf", CCP also decided to do an actual performance nerf by taking away one of the missile hardpoints.
Maybe I'm a little late to the party in asking this but... What the heck brought on these awful changes? Was there -anyone- who ever complained that the Nighthawk was visually unappealing before? I certainly didn't when I was spending my 2+ years specializing my skills towards flying it. And performance-wise, if I recall correctly, it was mediocre at best, so what in the world justified making it even worse?
I'll stay for as long as this PLEX I used to get back lasts, but I don't think I'll be here long beyond that. As far as I'm concerned, you absolutely ruined my favorite ship in this game, and for no real reason at that. Can I have your stuff?
Sky Fighters is now recruiting a few more US/AU players https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4033197#post4033197 |
Mikkir
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.08 05:16:00 -
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Commander Shale wrote:Just returned to this game after... quite some time away. The first thing I notice upon entering my ship hangar is this atrocious abomination of a Drake look-alike. As if swapping out the best looking ship for one of the ugliest wasn't bad enough, I was then greeted by a message upon trying to undock stating: You can't leave the station until you remove one of your missile launchers, indicating that aside from a very severe "visual nerf", CCP also decided to do an actual performance nerf by taking away one of the missile hardpoints.
Maybe I'm a little late to the party in asking this but... What the heck brought on these awful changes? Was there -anyone- who ever complained that the Nighthawk was visually unappealing before? I certainly didn't when I was spending my 2+ years specializing my skills towards flying it. And performance-wise, if I recall correctly, it was mediocre at best, so what in the world justified making it even worse?
I'll stay for as long as this PLEX I used to get back lasts, but I don't think I'll be here long beyond that. As far as I'm concerned, you absolutely ruined my favorite ship in this game, and for no real reason at that.
The visual change came up because the galente got boned on the navy battlecruiser being the brutix instead of the myrmidon. They decided instead to change one of the command ships for each race to the other battlecruiser hull. The Eos was applauded, most people liked the absolution, while the sleipnir and the nighthawk had mixed reactions.
As far as performance, the nighthalk performs better now than it did before. To break it down barney style: Before Base launchers before: 6 effective launchers with command ships 5 firing non-kinetic missiles: 8 effective launchers with command ships 5 firing kinetic missiles: 10
Now Base launchers: 5 effective launchers with command ships 5 firing non-kinetic missiles: 8 effective launchers with command ships 5 firing kinetic missiles: 11 Also gets an application bonus that didn't exist before, and has a slightly better resist profile.
If you hate the drake hull that much there isn't much you can do about that, but the ship is better than it was before. |
Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:00:00 -
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If i was playing this game because of the way my main ship looked then I would have quit ages ago as I'm flying the space potato atm.
There is a huge selection of ships to choose from btw, the Sleipnir with the Hurricane hull looks better now. Also have you heard interceptors are all the range nower days? |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:23:00 -
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Flying what looks cool is the best way, although as FotM is closer to FotY in EVE there is less need to worry...
But cool looks are rarely nerfed - if you're flying what you fly because it looks cool you're far less likely to be disappointed by a patch.
Personally I feel all of the changes are for the worse - the Space Train Sleipnir, the Laser Chicken, the Black Ferox and the Chin Waggler will be greatly missed (admittedly the Chin Waggler was nerfed several years ago).
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Smegnet Corp Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers
4671
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:24:00 -
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I loved the Nighthawk, was a beautiful ship...now it's an ugly painted drake...Why don't think just give command ships their own unique hulls instead of reusing existing ones? Especially ugly ones. All of the command ships looked far better before they changed the hulls to match Battlecruisers imo. :\ |
Mac Tir
State War Academy Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2014.01.08 20:34:00 -
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People cried all over the forums about the Command Ship models.
They complained that there wasn't enough variation.
Then the new Absolution model was unveiled. It was only then that the capsuleers of New Eden realized their mistake. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
194
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:34:00 -
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Termy Rockling wrote:IIRC it was somethin like lose launcher but get double bonus...
Correct, many of the command ships lost a hardpoint but had their damage bonus doubled leading to a slight increase in damage while simultaneously using up less ammo. Sounds like a win to me.
The few people who cried over a Sleipnir going down to 5 turrets failed to realize paired 10% damage bonuses leading to the possibility of upwards of 6k alpha by fitting 720s. The loss of a hardpoint is not the disaster you make it out to be. If you don't like the new drake model at least I can feel your pain there, I preferred the Prophecy model for my Absolution too but such is life.
I do like my Hurricane based Sleipnir though but that was a little tougher as I also like the look of the cyclone. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:40:00 -
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Commander Shale wrote:Is that why the market value of the ship dropped by roughly 40%? Because people love it now so much? I've also still yet to hear any viable reason behind this "rebalance". Let alone the god awful redesign of turning it into one of the least visually appealing battlecruisers.
Maybe you should, I don't know, start looking around the forums instead of making whine threads. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
4333
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Posted - 2014.01.09 05:30:00 -
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Gigan Amilupar wrote:The command ship rebalance was quite a while ago, and they also gave half of the command ships new models (something a lot of people liked).
Something a lot of people didn't like.
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Sid Crash
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:27:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Gigan Amilupar wrote:The command ship rebalance was quite a while ago, and they also gave half of the command ships new models (something a lot of people liked). Something a lot of people didn't like. -Liang
- Ferox hull is iconic and I still don't like the drake hull, it looks silly. - Prophecy hull is probably one of the best designs in the game, it's awesome. Harb looks like a bag of dicks (I do like the T2 paint scheme on it though) - Cyclone is old school and has a real Minnie feel to it, Cane is also really nice but the T2 cane is boring - Brutix is another amazing ship design, not saying the Myrm is bad but it's too slick/sleek imo
For me 2 out of 4 are bad changes, one makes sense but I'm not a fan of it and one is... acceptable but lacks effort. Not trying to sound or be elitist but it might have to do with having played from before tier 2 BC existed, at least partially, although that of course doesn't change the fact that the Harb doesn't at all look like an Amarr ship, same for the Drake. |
Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.09 08:44:00 -
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I used to run the abso all the time, now that it's aesthetically challenged I skilled drones and use the Eos. It's just impossible to use the Abso anymore. Also they changed the best looking command ship to some ******* hurricane. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
412
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Posted - 2014.01.10 13:37:00 -
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Commander Shale wrote:Maybe I'm a little late to the party in asking this but... What the heck brought on these awful changes? Protip: there's a small item at the top of the page labelled 'Search forums'.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283149
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Ace Echo
The Shadow Raiders Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:46:00 -
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I think that the other races drew the short straw with the command ship re-hulling. However, I've been slowly training for an Eos and I like how the drone-carrier command ship finally got re-hulled to the t1 drone carrier. Finally makes sense and looks really slick. |
Shayla Aki
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:21:00 -
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I, too, was soul crushed when I saw my Abso turned into the harbinger hull, and the sleip as a cane. I mean, yeah, I get it, give the ships different models, but then change it like kestrel -> manticore, where the model is modified but it's still that. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1192
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:30:00 -
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I think you whiners should just be happy that both command ship variants are viable in the combat role and booster role now. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Hanna Cyrus
Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:45:00 -
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I never undock with Nighthawk and Sleipnir anymore. Why the hell can't be an election where all actual eve players have to say yes or no? How many players has started this petition? How many players has seen this really before it happens?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:18:00 -
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From a utilitarian point of view the Nighthawk is unambiguously better.
From an aesthetic point of view... *shrug* De gustibus non est disputandum.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:49:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Try the Claymore. It's better than the Nighthawk in almost every way.
As for the visual change...nighthawk is a T2 drake, not a T2 ferox. Why shouldn't it look the part?
As for the lost launcher...look at the ship bonuses. You should do at least as much damage as you were doing before, if you're using scourge ammo.
The Nighthawk was a T2 Ferox before they turned it into a Drake... |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
335
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:56:00 -
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IIshira wrote:
The Nighthawk was a T2 Ferox before they turned it into a Drake...
Ferox uses guns, drake uses missiles.
Nighthawk uses missiles.
Ergo, Nighthawk is a T2 Drake. QED.
Also, why do people have a problem with the Drake model? It has a certain sleekness that the Ferox lacks... |
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