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Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:58:00 -
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I live for my Ishkur and I love assault frigates. You get to have cruiser-levels of DPS with some fits in a frigate-sized hull. What's not to love? Well, apparently a lot since we barely AFs ever fielded anymore.
The MWD bonus AFs got a long time ago was a "questionable" buff that didn't really help the AF's case much, and the latest buffs to interceptors has made the entire AF class obsolete in my opinion. In null sec, where the AF MWD boost would actually be helpful, they are completely pointless to bring when you can just fly a bubble-immune, fast-warping interceptor. In low sec, the AF's MWD boost is a lot less important, and I again find the AF to be a little underwhelming.
Can we maybe see a little love and rebalancing in the way of AFs? I would really love to see them used more, but they need to be clearly made worth using over other options for some specific contexts. Right now, everything an AF can do an Inty can do better it seems. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2283
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:15:00 -
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Give them combat probes. Oh god. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
179
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:42:00 -
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0/10. AF mas is too damn high. |
Dr Vulix
Automata Labs
22
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:47:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:0/10. AF mas is too damn high.
Would you like to actually contribute something meaningful? |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
33
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:28:00 -
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Sure, I can contribute. This belongs in Features and Ideas; since we're being prickly.
I also thought the rebalance for AF was underwhelming. More damage or tank would be nice... but difficult to balance... because if it does too much more damage than why fly a T1 cruiser?
Second thought: The ships that are doing very well in tiericide are the ones that have a clearly defined role. EW frigs are awesome at whatever their bonuses are, the logi frigs - very helpful. The trouble is T2 is supposed to be more specialized. Specialized at tank/fighting means that if we increase the bonuses we have to increase the drawbacks.... having a frig with cruiser align time or warp-speed would be brutal. Same with sig radius. Perhaps a comprimise by having low sensor strength? |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1301
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:45:00 -
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...What.
"everything an AF can do an inty can do better".
The new interceptors don't even begin to approach the combat ability of AFs.
Quote:Edit: Conversely, have Intys been buffed too much, necessitating a nerf?
Their general stats are fine - as mentioned above, they are still trash in direct combat compared to AFs.
The interdiction nullification on such an already-fast ship, however, was overkill. It made interceptors pretty much completely uncatchable until they decide to engage (where they were already really, really hard to catch) which pushes them over the top in nullsec. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
402
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:07:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:...What. "everything an AF can do an inty can do better". The new interceptors don't even begin to approach the combat ability of AFs. Quote:Edit: Conversely, have Intys been buffed too much, necessitating a nerf?
Their general stats are fine - as mentioned above, they are still trash in direct combat compared to AFs. The interdiction nullification on such an already-fast ship, however, was overkill. It made interceptors pretty much completely uncatchable until they decide to engage (where they were already really, really hard to catch) which pushes them over the top in nullsec.
Every time I read this, I just see "Super Running Away Power!" Not really all that bad. I know EVE players have a 'thing' about forcing other people to play their way, but there is plenty of precedent for CCP giving the target the advantage as well. New Inty's just reinforce that. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1301
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:22:00 -
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Quote:Every time I read this, I just see "Super Running Away Power!" Not really all that bad. I know EVE players have a 'thing' about forcing other people to play their way, but there is plenty of precedent for CCP giving the target the advantage as well. New Inty's just reinforce that.
The inties are not used by the ratters or other residents of an area so much as they are used by the invading gangs to kill residents and bypass the residents' defenses against the incursions. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:44:00 -
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AF have crazy resists so they can be hard to pop. You can even do level IV PvE missions in an assault frigate, try that in an interceptor.
BTW whats with this whole "I demand to be able to pop everything I see without effort just for the lolz so pleas nerf XXXX" trend lately? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
4642
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:34:00 -
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I think the hard and fast rule is...
If you want to "hit and run" and/or quickly pin down targets... bring an interceptor.
If you want a more broad engagement envelope and/or chew down tough targets with limited numbers and/or pin down a target for a fair amount of time... bring an Assault Frigate. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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Malakai Asamov
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
28
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:30:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:I think the hard and fast rule is...
If you want to "hit and run" and/or quickly pin down targets... bring an interceptor.
If you want a more broad engagement envelope and/or chew down tough targets with limited numbers and/or pin down a target for a fair amount of time... bring an Assault Frigate.
AF's go so slow the MWD sig reduction bonus is useless compared to an inty doing 5kms. Something like a crow that can apply damage at 60km is just a bit over the top.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
4643
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:14:00 -
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Malakai Asamov wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:I think the hard and fast rule is...
If you want to "hit and run" and/or quickly pin down targets... bring an interceptor.
If you want a more broad engagement envelope and/or chew down tough targets with limited numbers and/or pin down a target for a fair amount of time... bring an Assault Frigate. AF's go so slow the MWD sig reduction bonus is useless compared to an inty doing 5kms. Something like a crow that can apply damage at 60km is just a bit over the top. Can a Crow apply and hold scram-web on a cruiser while shrugging off drones and chewing it down to nothing with 270+ dps? Because my Enyo can. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
815
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:34:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Malakai Asamov wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:I think the hard and fast rule is...
If you want to "hit and run" and/or quickly pin down targets... bring an interceptor.
If you want a more broad engagement envelope and/or chew down tough targets with limited numbers and/or pin down a target for a fair amount of time... bring an Assault Frigate. AF's go so slow the MWD sig reduction bonus is useless compared to an inty doing 5kms. Something like a crow that can apply damage at 60km is just a bit over the top. Can a Crow apply and hold scram-web on a cruiser while shrugging off drones and chewing it down to nothing with 270+ dps? Because my Enyo can. My Crow has 2 sensor damps and orbits cruisers for 15 minutes while evading drones and tickling them to death with 75dps. I hate my Crow I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
4643
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:37:00 -
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How's long does your capacitor power last? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
180
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Posted - 2014.01.07 19:49:00 -
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Dr Vulix wrote:Lunkwill Khashour wrote:0/10. AF mas is too damn high. Would you like to actually contribute something meaningful?
1. The 0/10 refers to the bad partial troll attempt by the OP.
2. The basic problem with AF's is that their mass is higher than those of T1 combat and assault frigates and higher than (assault) cruisers compared to their relative MWD's. This means that their ability to (dis)engage is very poor compared to lots of other ship classes.
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Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
816
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Posted - 2014.01.08 04:05:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:How's long does your capacitor power last? Stable :3 I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1169
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:27:00 -
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AFs rule when you have a bunch of them, they're also decent in a mixed gang. Its true that solo their enormous mass and reasonably high cost makes them undesirable compared to a t1 cruiser. The MWD bonus they have is very good, as it makes them more survivable at doing what they do best, which is burning towards a target and killing it. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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