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Master Darklight
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:56:00 -
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Hi, I'm looking for the best guristas nullsec solo combat site legion, without too much bling. Yes, I know other ships are better, but I have good amarr skils, and quite decent HAM skills, while having few skills in shield tanking, and I don't have that much of a caldari cruiser skill.
So I got a few ideas, firstly I got:
[Legion, guristas ratter] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Cap stable, tanks 736 guristas dps with lvl 5 skills, does 619 dps pure kinetic.
If there's one thing I don't have experience with, it's nullsec anomalies and sigs. I've done some wormhole exploration (solo C1 and C2 with a friend), but I have no Idea how hard null sites are. If the tank is too much one repper can be replaced by another BCS, if not enough tank one BCS can become a hardener. Also if one repper is enough, the rigs can be replaced while still running cap stable, and if one repper is much more than enough cap stability might not even be required.
Then there's the question about resist. I've heard that the guristas in combat sites do mostly kinetic, while other guristas do a bit thermic aswell. Is this true? If not, one hardener may be better off being thermic.
Please share your thoughts!
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Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:23:00 -
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2 reppers is bad, cap stability is worse. Go for one rep that is kinda sorta capstable. Sigtanking and resists do the rest. Do NOT use 5 mods just to sort out your cap.
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Master Darklight
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:26:00 -
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Would you suggest an extra hardener for tank or an extra bcs for dps? |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:44:00 -
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If you exchange the 2nd repairer for a thermic hardener, remove the rigs and add a single T2 repair rig you'll do 548dps vs gurista's kinda sorta capstable. Use the other 2 rigs for more dps. If you want cap stability, switch a cap recharger for a large cap battery.
Look at a C-type kinetic hardener, they are cheapish for your ship and you can drop the second kinetic for a 3rd BCS. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:53:00 -
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Personally I'd use the rigs there for more range, not more damage. Rage missiles aren't exactly known for damage projection .
You're overtanked for anoms anyhow; try to actually get that damage consistently on target.
Edit: just noticed you were also talking DEDs. You may well want the tank there, and will absolutely need that and more if you want to take a 10/10.
As a general matter, tank kinetic. Hard. A token thermal resist is fine, but the vast majority of incoming damage will be kinetic. |
Sid Crash
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:29:00 -
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No idea on how much tank you'll need but doing Guristas with non-range bonused HAMs is going to be painful and very slow. On top of that it's going to be terrible against frigates and while you have a painter can you see yourself painting EVERY LITTLE FRIGATE ALL THE TIME and dealing with the overlapping cycle differences?
It'll work but why would you waterboard yourself like that? |
Master Darklight
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:59:00 -
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[Legion, guristas ratter] Medium Armor Repairer II Corpus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Corpus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
This is what I have now. Still I need to know: tank pure kinetic or thermic too? I'm getting two different answers. I got the dps still at 717 and the tank didn't get much better ether. Is this actually an improvement over my last fit? |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:08:00 -
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I have never lived in Guristas space, but would squizing in an ECCM be an idea? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.01.07 08:01:00 -
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Master Darklight wrote:
This is what I have now. Still I need to know: tank pure kinetic or thermic too? I'm getting two different answers. I got the dps still at 717 and the tank didn't get much better ether. Is this actually an improvement over my last fit?
Your legion pure kin tanked will work ok until you roll an elite cruiser spawn as 4x dire pithum mortifiers, or a large BC spawn as assaulters or similar. ie the "mixture" amounts people put up are synthetic averages that don't accomodate biased spawns, and trust me biased spawns happen if you are going to spend hours ratting.
I run 2 kinetic hardeners for the maze (and a DC, and a therm hardener, at least to crack open the last spawn), but you really won't be doing the maze every day unless you have a lot of people selling you escalations.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.01.07 08:02:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:I have never lived in Guristas space, but would squizing in an ECCM be an idea?
It depends on whether you do the encounters with ECM or not. If you have forsaken hubs, and thats what you intend specializing in, its unnecessary.
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Master Darklight
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.01.07 19:56:00 -
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Can it get any better than this with about the same costs?
[Legion, guristas ratter] Medium Armor Repairer II Corpus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Core C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.07 20:41:00 -
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Trade out the BLA rig for a Hydraulic Bay Thruster I or II. The extra range will serve you far more than the 21 DPS. |
Master Darklight
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.01.07 20:46:00 -
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for documentation's sake I guess:
Now I got:
[Legion, guristas ratter] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Is this optimal? |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:01:00 -
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you're still overtanked. You can sit at 0m/s with no hardeners and tank a lot of guristas with a single MAR. You'll want an ECCM as well. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:21:00 -
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For your price range, here is how it should look like:
[Legion, guristas ratter]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Medium Armor Repairer II Centus B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Rigs are range and damage application and hardeners are set to kinetic first (and avoiding that 50mil thermic hardener). The T2 flare will do better than a T1 rigor provided the TP is used before firing. The above will give you 696DPS @24.2km with rage, 464DPS @43.7km with Javelin and a 332 HP/s Guristas tank while being cap stable. |
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