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Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:10:00 -
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New to Eve (3 weeks) and and have been solo mining to build up some ISK. I'm flying a well tanked Procurer, doing an hour a day of mining (while reading about Eve in an adjacent browser).
ISK from mining is now financing a nascent exploration and PvE learning and skill building (another char). I see the latter as my focus longer term - going low/null sec for fun, challenge and greater rewards. In the meantime, i'm mining in a relatively quiet 0.8 system - but even here Hulks and Orcas operations drain roids quickly which make my solo Procurer mining less efficient (having to constantly switch between low-count unit roids).
So: Is it quieter for miners below 0.8? Less competition for high density ores (such as Viscous Pyrox)? Or maybe I'm going about it the wrong way. I'm open to your suggestions.
Thanks in advance! |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3517
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:25:00 -
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Any highsec will have competition from other miners. But find a REALLY quiet spot and the competition will be very low.
Ive lived in 2 different spots (Amarr / Ammatar region) that had hardly miners arou d at that time. There are also some highsec islands you might want to look at, you might need help to get set up or move stuff out (take a look at black frog for that) but as it is an island its likely very quiet on miners. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
115
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:57:00 -
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hmm well when I'm missioning I'm often set up on the edge of high sec and not at the popular mission hubs. I sometimes undock a frig or cruiser and screw around in these systems (.6-.4). What I often see are untapped roids all over the place. I've seen .7+ all mined out, yes. Best bet is to go to a .6 or lower security, you will probably find more. Just find a low population system, look in system info for recent kill/pod activity, and you should be fairly safe enough if you keep watch. If you venture too close to populated mission hub areas there, I see more kills/podding, though more of the smaller ships and salvagers.
Other than that, drop mining and make better ISK elsewhere heh. If you are getting into manufacturing or whatever, sure, but for selling resources to make ISK? meh. A combat pilot and/or explorer will make better ISK early on. Maybe mine a few hours while working the career agent missions to equip a few ships? sure, but after that it's not a good direction to go unless it's a serious and well balanced career. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1764
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:12:00 -
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the farther away you get from trade hubs (jita, amarr etc.), the less miners you will encounter. it should not be too difficult to find a quiet system some 5 jumps from jita with a near empty local chat, a station and some asteroid belts.
also, mining is pretty good as far as ISK/attention goes but ISK/hour is way less appealing, so looking out for some other source of income is a good idea.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1662
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:18:00 -
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If you insist on mining, pay attention, and when gankers enter your system, you might be able to cut a deal with us to focus our fire on those rivals that are mining your asteroids.
But I would advise against mining, it's extremely dull. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:46:00 -
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Thank you everyone for your replies and considered opinions. Great food for thought. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:48:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Any highsec will have competition from other miners. But find a REALLY quiet spot and the competition will be very low.
Ive lived in 2 different spots (Amarr / Ammatar region) that had hardly miners arou d at that time. There are also some highsec islands you might want to look at, you might need help to get set up or move stuff out (take a look at black frog for that) but as it is an island its likely very quiet on miners.
Thank you @J'Poll - when you say "Island" - do you simply mean a low traffic system? Or are there other parameters that define such Islands? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1765
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:59:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:J'Poll wrote:Any highsec will have competition from other miners. But find a REALLY quiet spot and the competition will be very low.
Ive lived in 2 different spots (Amarr / Ammatar region) that had hardly miners arou d at that time. There are also some highsec islands you might want to look at, you might need help to get set up or move stuff out (take a look at black frog for that) but as it is an island its likely very quiet on miners. Thank you @J'Poll - when you say "Island" - do you simply mean a low traffic system? Or are there other parameters that define such Islands? by hisec island people usually mean one or more hisec systems that are separated from the rest of hisec through at least one lowsec system. the most prominent island is the one in solitude.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:07:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:
Thank you @J'Poll - when you say "Island" - do you simply mean a low traffic system? Or are there other parameters that define such Islands?
by hisec island people usually mean one or more hisec systems that are separated from the rest of hisec through at least one lowsec system. the most prominent island is the one in solitude.
Got it. Thank you!
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1664
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:41:00 -
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One highsec island I visit often is Stegette-Odotte in Sinq Laison. It is surrounded by the dead end lowsec system Ravarin, the very, very quiet lowsec system Fasse (in which I have never been attacked) and the very, very dangerous lowsec system Egghelende.
Chasing miners there is hilarious fun, something I recommend that every EVE player tries at least once, even if ganking is not your career. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
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Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:43:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:One highsec island I visit often is Stegette-Odotte in Sinq Laison. It is surrounded by the dead end lowsec system Ravarin, the very, very quiet lowsec system Fasse (in which I have never been attacked) and the very, very dangerous lowsec system Egghelende.
Chasing miners there is hilarious fun, something I recommend that every EVE player tries at least once, even if ganking is not your career.
So I guess we'll meet someday? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1664
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Posted - 2014.01.07 02:47:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:One highsec island I visit often is Stegette-Odotte in Sinq Laison. It is surrounded by the dead end lowsec system Ravarin, the very, very quiet lowsec system Fasse (in which I have never been attacked) and the very, very dangerous lowsec system Egghelende.
Chasing miners there is hilarious fun, something I recommend that every EVE player tries at least once, even if ganking is not your career. So I guess we'll meet someday?
Will I be meeting you as a fellow predator, or as prey?
/me sets safety to red, turns on Sensor Booster IIs, and overheats guns... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1766
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Posted - 2014.01.07 03:02:00 -
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and this is why you have a forum alt which never undocks.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.07 03:04:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:One highsec island I visit often is Stegette-Odotte in Sinq Laison. It is surrounded by the dead end lowsec system Ravarin, the very, very quiet lowsec system Fasse (in which I have never been attacked) and the very, very dangerous lowsec system Egghelende.
Chasing miners there is hilarious fun, something I recommend that every EVE player tries at least once, even if ganking is not your career. So I guess we'll meet someday? Will I be meeting you as a fellow predator, or as prey? /me sets safety to red, turns on Sensor Booster IIs, and overheats guns...
With one exception (the rarefied spot at the top of the food chain), everyone else alternates between being the prey and a predator. It's the ratio between the two that counts.
For now my chops are such that I'll certainly be the prey. To paraphrase your fine quip: my skills are no better than an astroid's AI. And I suspect I won't be much use as a fellow hunter for a while.
But I'm always ready to learn. That's more than half the fun.
Thanks again for volunteering the intel. |
Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
0
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Posted - 2014.01.07 03:16:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:New to Eve (3 weeks) and and have been solo mining to build up some ISK. I'm flying a well tanked Procurer, doing an hour a day of mining (while reading about Eve in an adjacent browser).
If you are flying a well tanked Procurer, then move yourself to .5 or .6 space. The rocks are bigger, the competition for them is less, and those around you that are not flying well-tanked Procurers will be exploding regularly.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1658
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:12:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:have been solo mining to build up some ISK.
Contradictory statement. Mining (especially solo mining) is one of the worst ways to make isk. Mission running is much better once you can hit level 3 or level 4 missions. Yeah it takes a couple days to get enough standings, but it's worth it.
Of course if you're in love with mining, well, enjoy. I did it for many years before giving up and turning into a murderous SOB. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:23:00 -
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Mister Simms wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:New to Eve (3 weeks) and and have been solo mining to build up some ISK. I'm flying a well tanked Procurer, doing an hour a day of mining (while reading about Eve in an adjacent browser). If you are flying a well tanked Procurer, then move yourself to .5 or .6 space. The rocks are bigger, the competition for them is less, and those around you that are not flying well-tanked Procurers will be exploding regularly.
Thank you.
Can this loadout slow the average (single or small group) gankers down in the lower end of high sec?
EFT claims a total of 51,795 "effective HP":
Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Strip Miner I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x2 Hornet EC-300 x3
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Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:25:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:have been solo mining to build up some ISK. Contradictory statement. Mining (especially solo mining) is one of the worst ways to make isk. Mission running is much better once you can hit level 3 or level 4 missions. Yeah it takes a couple days to get enough standings, but it's worth it. Of course if you're in love with mining, well, enjoy. I did it for many years before giving up and turning into a murderous SOB.
...but you have a soft spot for noobs like me. How sweet.
Seriously though, why did it take years to switch? And what did finally change your path? |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1659
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:32:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote: Seriously though, why did it take years to switch? And what did finally change your path?
Because I didn't know how to PvP. Since PvP happens so quickly it's quite hard at first to figure out what is happening and exactly why you are failing. So since I was unable to win any fights, I was frustrated and I avoided it. That combined with the fact that I didn't want to make many friends and preferred to be alone.
The reason I switched was (grrr) Goons, actually. They ran something called the Gallente Ice Interdiction. I was an ice miner at the time, making a comfortable 800M or so a day with several accounts. Well the constant harassment from the Goons ticked me off to the point where I realized I had to learn how to fight. So I joined a nullsec alliance (a bad one), met some friends, stuck with them through several other alliances, and learned a great deal.
Now I am not a fantastic PvPer but I usually kill more often than I get killed, and I have a fair idea what's going on. I've had some impressive kills (including a Nyx tackle and hot-drop with one of my alts). I enjoy it so much that I don't ever want to go back to mining. I mean sometimes I do because I need POS fuel, but I hate it :) |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:34:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote: Seriously though, why did it take years to switch? And what did finally change your path?
Because I didn't know how to PvP. Since PvP happens so quickly it's quite hard at first to figure out what is happening and exactly why you are failing. So since I was unable to win any fights, I was frustrated and I avoided it. That combined with the fact that I didn't want to make many friends and preferred to be alone. The reason I switched was (grrr) Goons, actually. They ran something called the Gallente Ice Interdiction. I was an ice miner at the time, making a comfortable 800M or so a day with several accounts. Well the constant harassment from the Goons ticked me off to the point where I realized I had to learn how to fight. So I joined a nullsec alliance (a bad one), met some friends, stuck with them through several other alliances, and learned a great deal. Now I am not a fantastic PvPer but I usually kill more often than I get killed, and I have a fair idea what's going on. I've had some impressive kills (including a Nyx tackle and hot-drop with one of my alts). I enjoy it so much that I don't ever want to go back to mining. I mean sometimes I do because I need POS fuel, but I hate it :)
800M a day - that sounds fantastic to someone (like me) who's making a pitiful 7M an hour. Your reasoning for moving on seems solid. And from the few PvE missions i've been running in the past couple of days, I can feel the allure of the battle.
Thanks for sharing. |
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3518
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:42:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:J'Poll wrote:Any highsec will have competition from other miners. But find a REALLY quiet spot and the competition will be very low.
Ive lived in 2 different spots (Amarr / Ammatar region) that had hardly miners arou d at that time. There are also some highsec islands you might want to look at, you might need help to get set up or move stuff out (take a look at black frog for that) but as it is an island its likely very quiet on miners. Thank you @J'Poll - when you say "Island" - do you simply mean a low traffic system? Or are there other parameters that define such Islands? by hisec island people usually mean one or more hisec systems that are separated from the rest of hisec through at least one lowsec system. the most prominent island is the one in solitude.
And besides Solitude region (which is basically an island on itself).
Metropolis has a 3 system Island, the constellation of Hulf
Derelik has a 3 system island, the constellation of Anares and couple of single system islands in there too.
The center of Placid is an island.
Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3518
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:43:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:and this is why you have a forum alt which never undocks.
Meh.
Or just know what and how you post and deal with any consequences of your actions. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3518
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:45:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Mister Simms wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:New to Eve (3 weeks) and and have been solo mining to build up some ISK. I'm flying a well tanked Procurer, doing an hour a day of mining (while reading about Eve in an adjacent browser). If you are flying a well tanked Procurer, then move yourself to .5 or .6 space. The rocks are bigger, the competition for them is less, and those around you that are not flying well-tanked Procurers will be exploding regularly. Thank you. Can this loadout slow the average (single or small group) gankers down in the lower end of high sec? EFT claims a total of 51,795 "effective HP": Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x2 Hornet EC-300 x3
Finally a more or less sane fit.
Personally, would consider swapping one of the MLU II's for a Damage control, but that really depends on how risky your system is.
And also consider a full set of Hob II's for rat protection.
Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3518
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:48:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote: Seriously though, why did it take years to switch? And what did finally change your path?
Because I didn't know how to PvP. Since PvP happens so quickly it's quite hard at first to figure out what is happening and exactly why you are failing. So since I was unable to win any fights, I was frustrated and I avoided it. That combined with the fact that I didn't want to make many friends and preferred to be alone. The reason I switched was (grrr) Goons, actually. They ran something called the Gallente Ice Interdiction. I was an ice miner at the time, making a comfortable 800M or so a day with several accounts. Well the constant harassment from the Goons ticked me off to the point where I realized I had to learn how to fight. So I joined a nullsec alliance (a bad one), met some friends, stuck with them through several other alliances, and learned a great deal. Now I am not a fantastic PvPer but I usually kill more often than I get killed, and I have a fair idea what's going on. I've had some impressive kills (including a Nyx tackle and hot-drop with one of my alts). I enjoy it so much that I don't ever want to go back to mining. I mean sometimes I do because I need POS fuel, but I hate it :)
In rough lines, you sure you aren't a mirror.
I started as a miner but once I moved to null-sec (after too many wardecs of which the last was actually fun because it kind of pulled me into the PvP side of EVE) I more and more moved into PvP. Now a days, I kind of mix and match what ever I feel like doing, but mining isn't very high on the priority list.
Usually the only time I mine, is when a friend of mine in EVE is mining and can use some company. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
erg cz
Sliperer
49
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Posted - 2014.01.07 08:35:00 -
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Solitude and similar islands are nice, but you need also to sell stuff sometimes. And here comes islands near Dodixie or Jita more handy. I used to do missions in Ravarin - it is not safe even though it is a dead end. So I would stay with your procurer in the high sec next door. Other interesting corner is north east part of sinq Laison. It is close to Jita. I talk about Artisine island. Check this map. Turn on jumps per 24 option and you will see quite systems... You can also check minmatar space - there is less minmatars, than gallente. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1767
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Posted - 2014.01.07 09:03:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:and this is why you have a forum alt which never undocks. Meh. Or just know what and how you post and deal with any consequences of your actions. there are two kinds of risks: necessary and stupid.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1668
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Posted - 2014.01.07 09:48:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:One highsec island I visit often is Stegette-Odotte in Sinq Laison. It is surrounded by the dead end lowsec system Ravarin, the very, very quiet lowsec system Fasse (in which I have never been attacked) and the very, very dangerous lowsec system Egghelende.
Chasing miners there is hilarious fun, something I recommend that every EVE player tries at least once, even if ganking is not your career. So I guess we'll meet someday? Will I be meeting you as a fellow predator, or as prey? /me sets safety to red, turns on Sensor Booster IIs, and overheats guns... With one exception (the rarefied spot at the top of the food chain), everyone else alternates between being the prey and a predator. It's the ratio between the two that counts. For now my chops are such that I'll certainly be the prey. To paraphrase your fine quip: my skills are no better than an astroid's AI. And I suspect I won't be much use as a fellow hunter for a while. But I'm always ready to learn. That's more than half the fun. Thanks again for volunteering the intel.
You do not have the attitude of the useful idiots that you milk ISK from and that have worse AI than asteroids. That's the first step to not being prey all the time.
erg cz wrote:Solitude and similar islands are nice, but you need also to sell stuff sometimes. And here comes islands near Dodixie or Jita more handy. I used to do missions in Ravarin - it is not safe even though it is a dead end. So I would stay with your procurer in the high sec next door. Other interesting corner is north east part of sinq Laison. It is close to Jita. I talk about Artisine island. Check this map. Turn on jumps per 24 option and you will see quite systems... You can also check minmatar space - there is less minmatars, than gallente.
Yeah Ravarin is a system I like. It's not important enough to attract blobs, but it attracts the odd person looking for trouble or looking to avoid trouble. ME and Copying labs attract people, clone soldiers attract people, and exploration sites attract people. Multiple stations too. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1660
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:23:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: In rough lines, you sure you aren't a mirror.
A lot of EvE PvPers are reformed carebears and enlightened industrial players. Which is why it's so pathetic when you get carebears claiming that they are a cornerstone of the "EvE economy", lol. I have a Rorqual with a max boosting toon. It's always parked. I have a toon with max manufacturing (including T2) skills. He's pretty much always idle, unless I need new ships. I get most of my minerals from hauler spawns I get when I'm out looking for faction/officer modules. The rest I get from a bit of mining if I need to make stuff, and of course I have a healthy 1M + unit stockpile of megacyte and piles of other high end minerals from my days in sov space. I don't need so much because the biggest thing I will build is usually a battlecruiser. PvP in battleships is pretty rare (and expensive!).
I do PI to get passive income, usually making Nanite Repair Paste for sale. I run a POS or two to moon mine, with fuel I make myself from PI. The rest of the iskies I make from running the odd anomaly, ratting, or selling off the nicer loot I get from kills :) Of course I'm fairly poor - I usually only have a billion or so in my wallet - because all my ISK goes to buying T2 ships, modules, implants, clones (not insignificant at 20M each now!), etc. But I'd rather fight (and even lose) than play a game where having a big number of virtual coins in a pixel wallet is somehow important. We roam nullsec as a gang. We laugh. We make jokes. We kill people. We call people blobbers. We blob people.We screw up and get killed. It's all good fun, and it's all about the goodfites :)
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Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:24:00 -
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Everyone: the amount of knowledge you shared in this thread is ridiculously good. The debates are especially interesting. Like in real life, Eve is not so much about what you do, but how you do it and how well it fits with your personality at any given point in time.
There are moments when I'm concerned about Eve swallowing me whole. It's so engrossing.
Thanks again! |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:43:00 -
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With a Procurer with that much tank there is NO reason at all not to be in .5-.7. No one is going to gank you unless you made yourself a target somehow. At the most, they may try to bait you to attack them first. Also no need for a DCU while mining.
Your big limitation with the procurer solo is your small hold. You are going to be constantly warping to a station. You will also have a hard time getting your ore to a hub to sell it because of how many trips it would take. You might buy a miasmos to use to haul the ore you mine. You could also consider getting a spare retriever that is fit for max yield to use when you feel the system is safe.
Your proposed fit looks good, but a bit more than needed. You can use a couple of specific attack rigs to fill the holes instead of the more expensive CDFE rigs in every slot. Use EFT to manage the resistances - especially thermal and explosive. Also no need for HG II. One or two HG1's will deal with all the belt rats and you could the other 3 drones for mining. EC drones would be expensive training time unless you know that fits into your long term progression. Really only useful if you want to get in on the kill with Concord.
Finally, if you like exploring, keep an eye out for ore anomalies. In .5-.7 you can find more valuable lowsec ores. |
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