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Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:19:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:With a Procurer with that much tank there is NO reason at all not to be in .5-.7. No one is going to gank you unless you made yourself a target somehow. At the most, they may try to bait you to attack them first. Also no need for a DCU while mining.
Your big limitation with the procurer solo is your small hold. You are going to be constantly warping to a station. You will also have a hard time getting your ore to a hub to sell it because of how many trips it would take. You might buy a miasmos to use to haul the ore you mine. You could also consider getting a spare retriever that is fit for max yield to use when you feel the system is safe. Use Dotlan to find a few systems with lower traffic that are only 5-7 jumps away from a trading hub. Also nice to be close to a ice field system. It's fun to be mining around other people you can get to know.
Your proposed fit looks good, but a bit more than needed. You can use a couple of specific attack rigs to fill the holes instead of the more expensive CDFE rigs in every slot. Use EFT to manage the resistances - especially thermal and explosive. Also no need for HG II. One or two HG1's will deal with all the belt rats and you could the other 3 drones for mining. EC drones would be expensive training time unless you know that fits into your long term progression. Really only useful if you want to get in on the kill with Concord.
Finally, if you like exploring, keep an eye out for ore anomalies. In .5-.7 you can find more valuable lowsec ores.
Thanks for this detailed feedback @Shiloh Templeton. I looked into transporting from the station to a hub (buy offers locally are low of course). I weighed all kinds of options, including aspects that you mentioned above, but I calculated (this is a spreadsheet game ain't it?) that it'll be easier and still good (but not perfect) profit if I use Red Frog's full capacity per trip contract (850,000m3). This way I don't worry about moving so much of the stuff around myself. I'm not planning on building a mining op. So sub'ing to RF makes sense to me.
Tomorrow I'll go explore a few 0.5 and 0.6 locations per everyone's good advice. I will definitely keep an eye out for anomalies that way. |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:28:00 -
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If you need to fly a tanked proc to mine in Hi sec, you're doing it wrong.
Untanked rettie set for yield. Move away from trade hubs, preferably 0.6-0.5. Enjoy. Pays for itself in a coupe hours if you mine smart. If you can't go more then a couple hours without getting ganked, quit Eve. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3066
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:43:00 -
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I was passing through a system near Jita recently. There were 3 people in the system, something like 5 belts, and an Omber site.
Just look around. Use a fast ship, like an Interceptor or a Leopard shuttle. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
158
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Posted - 2014.01.07 21:46:00 -
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Mister Simms wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:New to Eve (3 weeks) and and have been solo mining to build up some ISK. I'm flying a well tanked Procurer, doing an hour a day of mining (while reading about Eve in an adjacent browser). If you are flying a well tanked Procurer, then move yourself to .5 or .6 space. The rocks are bigger, the competition for them is less, and those around you that are not flying well-tanked Procurers will be exploding regularly. This is good advice. Remember to follow the code. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:00:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Mister Simms wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:New to Eve (3 weeks) and and have been solo mining to build up some ISK. I'm flying a well tanked Procurer, doing an hour a day of mining (while reading about Eve in an adjacent browser). If you are flying a well tanked Procurer, then move yourself to .5 or .6 space. The rocks are bigger, the competition for them is less, and those around you that are not flying well-tanked Procurers will be exploding regularly. This is good advice. Remember to follow the code.
Tell me more about your code. |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
62
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:54:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:This is good advice. Remember to follow the code.
Intergalactic Summit is that way >>>>>>> |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
410
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Posted - 2014.01.08 11:34:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:have been solo mining to build up some ISK. Contradictory statement. I see no contradiction.
Anyone who is unable to make a profit from mining is doing something horribly wrong. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:13:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote: I calculated that it'll be easier and still good profit if I use Red Frog's full capacity per trip contract (850,000m3).
That's a very intelligent decision.
A few other tips. - be sure to check one of the ore value websites to make sure you are mining the most valuable ores first. I like http://ore.cerlestes.de
- check one of the killboards each day for miner kills in your region/system. Then add the gankers/corporation as a contact with terrible standing. This way you can see them on local if they come into your system. You can also flag known gankers that show up on the minerbumping website. You can also watch d-scan if you're paranoid and watch out for catalysts.
- The code -- your choice. They really are in only a few systems regularly. Keep in mind that even if you buy a permit they will easily find an excuse to gank you (but VERY unlikely they would even try if you're in a procurer).
- If you are going to stay a miner for a while consider building up some refining skills. This will greatly decrease your transportation costs as the minerals are much more compact. You will also need to build standings with a corporation that has 50% refineries in your region/system. Use the agent finder websites to identify big NPC corporations that have mining or distribution missions. This also opens up the possibility of buying ore from other miners and making trading profits.
- Consider joining an industry related corporation. You'll be amazed at your increase in mining with ORCA boosts and transport support. Plus friends.
- Locate near a system with an ice field. You'll need some different equipment, but it's fun to mine around other people you get to know.
- GET A RETRIEVER as a second ship. As a solo miner you really need the larger hold. Exploring a new area or unknown people around - use the procurer, otherwise use the retriever.
- Exhumers? It takes a long while for them to pay off in the isk/risk category. You may want to put your training time into other skills/professions unless you know you'll be a miner for a long time.
- Make sure you relocate your clone to your new area.
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Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:00:00 -
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One little thing to remember (especially if you're using a hauling group to move your goods) is that you can get a significantly higher bang for your ISK if you refine your ore into minerals, but this only really becomes worth it if you're able to get a 100% refining yield.
In order to achieve that, you'll have to get your modified standings at or above 6.67. Note that this is the modified standing, and not your base, so with the help of various Social skills, it isn't that difficult running Distribution or Mining missions.
The difference in values per m3 between Ores and Minerals is huge.
If you're ever in a pinch, don't forget that the Miasmos can haul 63k m3 of raw Ore at Gallente Industrial V (58.8k m3 at IV), and the Kryos can hold 64.5k m3 in refined Minerals at Gallente Industrial V (60.2k m3 at IV).
Even at Gallente Industrial I, they can hold 42k and 43k m3, respectively, of their respective specialties, so for newer players, they can be quite useful to save a bit on the cost of hauling (though you do have to be considerate of the risk of losing your load).
Oh, and don't mind the people talking about "the mining code" and that nonsense. As long as you aren't mining around Jita, they aren't a real concern. Even if you are around Jita, and even if you decide to purchase a "permit," remember that there are people out there who specifically prey upon these poor buggers who throw away their ISK, just for the tears they cause. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1731
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:52:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote: Seriously though, why did it take years to switch? And what did finally change your path?
Because I didn't know how to PvP. Since PvP happens so quickly it's quite hard at first to figure out what is happening and exactly why you are failing. So since I was unable to win any fights, I was frustrated and I avoided it. That combined with the fact that I didn't want to make many friends and preferred to be alone.
This is where initiating PVP helps.
A ten-second PVP encounter that ends with the aggressor annihilating the defender usually involves some minutes of setting up; sometimes longer.
I ganked a Retriever last night in less than six seconds, however, prior to the gank I had been watching the mark from a scout alt, established that they had no active shield hardeners, and set up a warpin. Then - splat.
The mark likely learned nothing other than 'be suspicious of rookie ships mining in asteroid belts and buy a mining permit' - important metagame skills but not combat skills. But had they carried out the attack (maybe winning, maybe losing) they'd have learned a lot more. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. EVE's golden rule: Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them in real life. Even then, they may only be screwing you to screw you. |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1734
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:59:00 -
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Summer Isle wrote: Oh, and don't mind the people talking about "the mining code" and that nonsense. As long as you aren't mining around Jita, they aren't a real concern. Even if you are around Jita, and even if you decide to purchase a "permit," remember that there are people out there who specifically prey upon these poor buggers who throw away their ISK, just for the tears they cause.
I operate close to Dodixie but have taken the Saviour's glorious antimatter crusade as far afield as Syndicate non-sovereign nullsec (chasing the nullsec bot aspirants who are as bad as the highsec ones; nullsec dwellers do not require mining permits but must still abide by the 'don't bot, don't act like a bot' aspects of the Code), as well as highsec islands. Haven't encountered bot-aspirant miners in low or WH space yet but if I do, I'll be out to slaughter them.
I have never ganked a Code-compliant miner (note - compliance means more than just having a permit but the requirements are not onerous). Why would I? It would reduce permit revenue and undermine the Saviour's message.
I'm sure mistakes happen, but a permit will reduce your chances of being ganked. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. EVE's golden rule: Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them in real life. Even then, they may only be screwing you to screw you. |
Jeedmo Dorn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.14 01:00:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote: I calculated that it'll be easier and still good profit if I use Red Frog's full capacity per trip contract (850,000m3). That's a very intelligent decision. A few other tips.
Thanks again for the list and sharing your hard learned lessons. Mining has been a blessing. It allows me to easily and quickly create a moderate stream of ISK that finances my learning curve at EVE. With an hour or so a day it finances ships for PvE, running missions and exploration, while reading and figuring out long term ISK making that could continue to finance whatever I'd like to do here. |
Winter Archipelago
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
198
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Posted - 2014.01.14 17:14:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I have never ganked a Code-compliant miner (note - compliance means more than just having a permit but the requirements are not onerous). ...
I'm sure mistakes happen, but a permit will reduce your chances of being ganked. There is a small collective of gankers out there -- one of my alts included -- who rather enjoy hunting those who have paid for permits. At least for myself, I happily croon about it in Local as being the reason I specifically targeted them.
Though it's at time tempting to do otherwise, I do make sure they understand that I'm not a part of "The Order." My own personal goal with it is that they understand that paying one group off doesn't mean everyone has been paid off.
In a game as open as EvE, extortion and racketeering have no true hope of protecting the turf they "sell," be it highsec, lowsec, NPC nul, or sovereign nul. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2189
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:32:00 -
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Hisec mining tips:
1) Belts with a factory station in the system are just... forget about it, they're gone, man. Anyone who mines to build will strip these bare within an hour of server uptime.
2) Belts with a non-factory station in the system - usually much better, as the people who mine here are only in for the money.
3) Belts with no stations in the system - I think I saw a unicorn here once. No one touches these. Bon appetit! Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:50:00 -
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Jeedmo Dorn wrote:Mister Simms wrote:Jeedmo Dorn wrote:New to Eve (3 weeks) and and have been solo mining to build up some ISK. I'm flying a well tanked Procurer, doing an hour a day of mining (while reading about Eve in an adjacent browser). If you are flying a well tanked Procurer, then move yourself to .5 or .6 space. The rocks are bigger, the competition for them is less, and those around you that are not flying well-tanked Procurers will be exploding regularly. Thank you. Can this loadout slow the average (single or small group) gankers down in the lower end of high sec? EFT claims a total of 51,795 "effective HP": Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Survey Scanner II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x2 Hornet EC-300 x3
My crew wouldn't ever try to touch this.
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